My guest today is Peter Kafka, chief correspondent at Business Insider and host of Channels, a podcast about the media industry. And it’s a big week for the media industry — Comcast just announced that it’s splitting itself up, into the Comcast broadband company and the NBCUniversal entertainment company.
This dream, that you can combine distribution with big splashy entertainment properties, has failed time and again. But Comcast tried the content plus pipes strategy for longer than most. So Peter and I discussed what happened in the media and broadband industries over the last 15 years, and what might happen next.
Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.
Links:
Comcast is cutting NBCUniversal loose | Business Insider
Comcast’s split could make or break Peacock | The Verge
Comcast and NBCUniversal will go it alone. But for how long? | NYT
Comcast split shows bigger is no longer better | Deadline
A cable scion’s hardest deal yet: breaking up his family’s company | WSJ
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This week, amid violent attacks on the homes of the OpenAI chief executive Sam Altman and the Indianapolis councilman Ron Gibson, we debate why artificial intelligence and data centers are so unpopular. Then, Kara Swisher returns to the show to discuss her new docuseries on Silicon Valley’s obsession with living longer. And finally, can chief executives replace themselves with A.I.? Mark Zuckerberg seems to be trying.
Guests:
Kara Swisher, tech journalist and host of the podcasts “Pivot” and “On With Kara Swisher.”
Additional Reading:
Shots Fired at Indianapolis Councilman’s Home, After Vote Backing Data Center
Man Held in Attack on OpenAI Chief’s Home Had List of A.I. Leaders, Officials Say
Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever
Meta Builds A.I. Version of Mark Zuckerberg to Interact With Staff
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Kara Swisher joins Scott Galloway to discuss her new CNN Original Series Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever — and what she uncovered about the billion-dollar longevity industry.
They explore why tech elites are obsessed with living forever, how trends like peptides and biohacking took off, and why most of it is noise.
Plus, what actually works: the simple, unsexy factors that matter most for living longer, and why wealth and access may be the biggest advantages of all.
Also, friendly reminder that we're live on Substack.
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The iPhone 4 was one of the best iPhones ever — and definitely the most dramatic iPhone ever. It was lost in a bar in California, sold to Gizmodo, and published for the world to see months before its launch. The phone itself had a bunch of important new features, and one that spawned Antennagate. In this episode, David Pierce, Nilay Patel, and longtime tech columnist Walt Mossberg tell the whole story of the phone, its legacy, and its place in tech blog history.
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Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. Decoder is on our holiday break. We’ve got a lot of fun stuff coming up in the New Year, though, including a special Decoder Live at CES. Stay tuned for more details, including how to RSVP for free tickets.
In the meantime, we’ve got a great episode of the podcast Channels, featuring two of the best media reporters in the business. Host Peter Kafka sat down with Bloomberg’s Lucas Shaw to talk about the bidding war between Paramount SkyDance and Netflix over Warner Bros. Discovery. It’s the biggest story in entertainment right now, and this episode breaks down everything you need to know about the contentious acquisition.
Links:
"Neither Side Is Used to Losing”: Lucas Shaw on the battle for Warner Bros. | Channels
Five things we’re getting wrong about Warner Bros.′ Netflix deal | Bloomberg
Warner Bros.’ bidders brace for a fight that will last months | Bloomberg
WBD wants its shareholders to reject Paramount’s latest offer | The Verge
There are no good outcomes for the Warner Bros. sale | The Verge
Netflix is “100% committed” to releasing WB films in theaters | The Verge
Netflix is buying Warner Bros. for $83 billion | The Verge
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Can ChatGPT dethrone Gemini? Is Tim Cook capable of leading Apple into the next wave of AI? As 2025 winds down, journalist and podcast host Kara Swisher joins Rapid Response to cut through the noise and decode what’s really happening across OpenAI, Meta, Google, and more. Swisher also sizes up the state of Disney, Netflix, and the escalating bidding war for Warner Bros. Discovery. And in classic Swisher fashion, she doesn’t hold back — weighing in on Elon Musk’s eye-popping potential pay package, Mark Zuckerberg’s costly misfires at Meta, and what the future of AI means for human health and cognition.
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Tech journalist, opinion leader, and disruptor—Kara Swisher has hosted hundreds of newsmaking interviews tracking tech and media's changing power dynamics, often going head-to-head with the most prominent figures in the technology industry. She joins a live studio audience to talk about her inimitable career covering the ever-evolving world of technology.
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Walt Mossberg is a legendary tech journalist and longtime columnist for the Wall Street Journal. This is a preview of our premium Big Tech War Stories Podcast where Mossberg joins to discuss how he formed connections with industry titans like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Jeff Bezos, and what drove their thinking and strategies. In this preview we cover Jobs, discussing his optimism, focus, and unending curiosity that led to long hours of conversation with Mossberg via phone. We also discuss the relationship between the tech industry and the press, where Mossberg has some interesting thoughts, and even some optimism of his own.
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To savvy tech consumers, Walt Mossberg and Marques Brownlee, aka MKBHD, need no introduction. Before he retired in 2017, Walt was the undisputed dean of tech reviewers. As Senator Maria Cantwell, a recent guest and former tech executive put it, “all our product reviews lived or died by Walt Mossberg.”
MKBHD began reviewing tech products on YouTube, as a high schooler, and he now has more than 18 million subscribers to his channel. He has become this generation’s Walt Mossberg, and as Jimmy Donaldson/MrBeast, the king of YouTube, put it, “you’re the video producer that decides what tech everyone in America buys.”
Yet, somehow, the titans of tech reviews had never met before. Kara rights this wrong, and she, Mossberg, and Brownlee discuss the art, philosophy and ethics of reviewing tech, as well as the Tesla Cybertruck, Apple Vision Pro, AI-in-a-box and Taylor Swift.
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Kara Swisher is the author of Burn Book and host of the Pivot and On With Kara Swisher. Swisher joins Big Technology to discuss the latest tech news and share her opinion of the nature of tech leaders. We discuss Marc Andreessen, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, Tim Cook, Andy Jassy, Satya Nadella, Sam Altman, and Mark Cuban. Then we examine the nature of a great leader's personality, how much luck vs. skill plays a role in success, the impact of having lots of money. And plenty more, including how journalism and media move forward today. Enjoy!
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Google removed the ability to generate images of people from its Gemini chatbot. We talk about why, and about the brewing culture war over artificial intelligence. Then, did Kara Swisher start “Hard Fork”? We clear up some podcast drama and ask about her new book, “Burn Book.” And finally, the legal expert Daphne Keller tells us how the U.S. Supreme Court might rule on the most important First Amendment cases of the internet era, and what Star Trek and soy boys have to do with it.
Today’s guests:
Kara Swisher, tech journalist and Casey Newton’s former landlord
Daphne Keller, director of the program on platform regulation at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy Center
Additional Reading:
Google CEO calls AI tool’s controversial responses ‘completely unacceptable’
Kara Swisher Is Not Here to Make Friends in Her New Memoir
Burn Book: A Tech Love Story by Kara Swisher
Daphne Keller’s FAQs About the NetChoice Cases at the Supreme Court
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Today on the flagship podcast of really old computers:
03:54 - Walt Mossberg, former Verge executive editor and longtime Wall Street Journal tech columnist, joins the show to discuss forty years of the Macintosh computer.
Mossberg - The Verge
The Mac turns 40 — and keeps on moving
Steve Jobs Introduces the Macintosh
Looking back on 40 years of Macintosh
40:28 - Ali Abdaal chats about his new book "Feel Good Productivity: How to Do More of What Matters To You" and why overthinking your productivity system might not be such a good idea.
Ali Abdaal - YouTube
Feel Good Productivity
1:06:53 - David Pierce answers a question from the Vergecast Hotline about laptops.
The best laptops you can get
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Jason Del Rey is the author of Winner Sells All Amazon, Walmart, and the Battle for Our Wallets. Matt Stoller is the director of research at the American Economic Liberties Project, and writes the Big newsletter on Substack. Ranjan Roy is the author of Margins. The three guests come together with host Alex Kantrowitz for an in-depth discussion about Amazon's challenges from government regulators and Walmart, and whether government action against the company could have an impact.
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Breaking news: Kara Swisher will not referee the cage match between Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg. Also, SpaceX is looking to up its valuation, and Meta wants to shut down access to news in Canada. And this weekend’s insurrection in Russia revealed how unequipped social media is to cover breaking news. Plus, an investigation into the Titan submersible implosion may lead to new regulations. Will the same happen for space travel? Then we’re joined by Friend of Pivot, Jason Del Rey on the decades-long battle between Walmart and Amazon.
You can find Jason on Twitter at @DelRey, and you can buy “Winner Sells All: Amazon, Walmart, and the Battle for Our Wallets,” here.
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In the 47th episode journalist and host of the Pivot podcast, Kara Swisher joins to discuss the changes in tech and founders from when she started vs today. Plus the art of interviewing, propaganda vs journalism, the importance of being true to yourself and not caring what people think.
(0:00) Introducing Kara Swisher
(1:33) Tech industry now vs the past
(10:24) Kara’s podcasting history
(13:28) On Dolly Parton
(16:37) Not caring what people think
(18:48) Art to interviewing
(25:10) Elon & who should run twitter
(29:51) San Francisco
(32:00) Tech’s role in future generations
(34:54) Succession
(41:03) Silicon Valley and other TV
(45:53) Fraud
(50:15) Media is a hard business
(51:58) Seppic/Biohacking
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Produced: Andrew Nadeau and Rashad Assir
Executive Producer: Josh Machiz
Music: Griff Lawson
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A Saturday morning podcast hosted by Logan Bartlett (Partner and Managing Director at Redpoint Ventures) covering the tech news with his friends and other people with industry expertise.
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Logan Bartlett is a Software Investor at Redpoint Ventures - a Silicon Valley-based VC with $6B AUM and investments in Snowflake, DraftKings, Twilio, and Netflix. In each episode of The Logan Bartlett Show, we sit down with the people behind today’s most important startups and extract the tactics, lessons, and frameworks they’ve learned the hard way. Conversations span hiring to GTM, product, growth, fundraising and everything in between - collectively forming the ultimate playbook to make you a better CEO, investor or board member.
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Matthew Ball comes on to talk about his new book: The Metaverse: And How it Will Revolutionize Everything. Then, Jason Del Rey @DelRey talks to us about how Amazon has been faring in the post-Jeff Bezos era.
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Kara and Scott are back with Pivot’s Quarterly Review series. They take a look at Scott’s past predictions on Alibaba, Meme Stocks, and record entrepreneurship to see how they’ve held up. Then, they get some predictions from Friends of Pivot, including Ina Fried of Axios, journalist Nicole Perlroth, Rani Molla of Recode, and Matt Belloni of Puck.
You can find Ina on Twitter at @inafried, Nicole at @nicoleperlroth, Rani at @ranimolla, and Matt at @MattBelloni.
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This was a tough one. The Verge co-founder and Executive Editor Dieter Bohn is leaving us. Nilay Patel, Walt Mossberg and Dieter Bohn walk down memory lane and discuss their first meeting, founding The Verge, CES memories, and what Dieter is doing once he leaves.
Behringer's iNuke Boom is the essence of Vegas
And now, a brief definition of the web
Dieter on Twitter
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Kara Swisher is the co-founder of Recode, a New York Times columnist, the co-host of Pivot, and the host of Sway. She joins BigTechnology Podcast for a special edition tackling the biggest tech headlines, her major career decisions, and reasons to be optimistic about technology.
Kara and Scott Galloway are hosting Pivot MIA, a three-day event in Miami, from Feb. 14 - Feb. 16. You can learn more here: https://voxmediaevents.com/pivotmia
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Wired senior writer Lauren Goode was on hand this week as Amazon introduced Astro, a home robot, and a Ring home-monitoring drone. Goode joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss her reaction to the products. And in the second half, stay tuned for a discussion of how Apple and Amazon are on a collision course even though they build products very differently.
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Jeff Bezos is headed for the door at Amazon, and because 2021 is the craziest news year on record, we mostly haven’t stopped to consider this seismic story and what it means for the business world.
Joining us to discuss what Amazon looks like after Bezos is Jason Del Rey, a senior correspondent at Recode and author of a forthcoming book on Amazon’s battle with Walmart.
Here's Jason's story on what to expect from incoming CEO Andy Jassy:
https://www.vox.com/recode/22264330/amazon-ceo-andy-jassy-jeff-bezos-aws
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As promised, here’s Recode’s Peter Kafka, the dean of the media reporters, someone we should have had on the podcast a long time before this. Do checkout his podcast, Recode Media with Peter Kafka.
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Walt Mossberg joins the show to discuss his experience with Apple's Macbooks with the new M1 chip. Nilay, Dieter, Chris, and Dan discuss The Verge's reviews of the computers.
Stories from this week:
Trump’s post-election tantrum is holding up federal vaccine planning
Virus surges complicate the distribution of scarce COVID-19 treatments
CDC says people should not travel for Thanksgiving due to COVID-19 surges
The COVID-19 pandemic hits new highs and new lows
Apple Macbook Air with M1 review: new chip, no problem
Apple Macbook Pro with M1 review: flexing Arm
Apple Mac Mini with M1 review: over-performer
macOS Big Sur review
Here’s how to run any iOS app you own on Apple’s new M1 Macs
Apple will reduce App Store cut to 15 percent for most developers starting January 1st
Apple’s biggest App Store critics are not impressed with its new fee cut for small developers
Google Stadia is coming to iOS officially as a web app
Google Pay's massive relaunch makes it an all-encompassing ...
Google is rolling out end-to-end encryption for RCS in Android ..
Google’s latest Chrome update delivers ‘largest performance gain in years’
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Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway talk about the process of recovery from COVID-19, with a focus on how college and K-12 education will be permanently reshaped by the pandemic. They're joined by three guests: Howard University president Dr. Wayne A.I. Frederick; Austin Beutner, the superintendent of the Los Angeles Unified School District; and Walt Mossberg, the co-founder of Recode who now serves on the board of the News Literacy Project. Plus: A prediction from former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo, two listener questions — including one from Kara's son Louie — and predictions about Shopify and TikTok.
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Peter Kafka returns to the show to discuss the news from Apple's "Time Flies" event -- new Apple Watches, new non-Pro iPads, and particularly the Apple One services bundle.
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“Ricky Jay’s Magical Secrets” — Mark Singer’s wondrous profile for The New Yorker in 1993. I just burst out laughing when I re-read this snippet I quoted from that piece for DF.
The complete Ricky Jay archives at DF.
Spotify’s statement griping that Apple One constitutes anticompetive behavior.
The latest episode of Peter’s own podcast, Recode Media, with special guest Ben Thompson.
Apple’s “Time Flies” event video.
My thoughts and observations on the event and announcements.
“I’ve fallen and I can’t get up!” — Apple’s new retro style commercial for Apple Watch Family Setup.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Wired's Lauren Goode returns to the show to discuss Microsoft's soon-to-be released Surface Duo, Amazon's new fitness tracker, and an update on Apple's battle with Epic over the App Store.
Stories this week:
FDA authorizes Abbott’s fast $5 COVID-19 test
FDA authorizes convalescent plasma to treat COVID-19
Tracking COVID-19 through symptom monitoring will be harder when flu season starts
Facebook chose not to act on militia complaints before Kenosha shooting
Facebook takes down ‘call to arms’ event after two shot dead in Kenosha
Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman interview
Amazon announced Halo, a fitness band and app that scans your body and voice
Amazon Look review (2017)
Fitbit’s new Sense smartwatch can take your skin’s temperature to help you manage stress
Microsoft Flight Simulator players are flying into Hurricane Laura
Fall Guys is the feel-good game of the summer
Samsung’s Galaxy Z Fold 2 doesn’t have a release date, but you can already watch this review
This could be the first real picture of the Pixel 5
Sony Xperia 5 II leak reveals a new 120Hz display and a headphone jack
The Asus Zenfone 7 adds a third lens to its neat flipping camera
LG’s swiveling ‘Wing’ phone allegedly revealed in video leak
TikTok sues Trump administration over US ban
Kevin Mayer quits as TikTok CEO due to ongoing political turmoil
Walmart says it’s partnering with Microsoft on a TikTok deal
Epic judge will protect Unreal Engine — but not Fortnite
Why Epic can’t afford to lose the Unreal Engine in its legal fight with Apple
Read the emails between Epic and Apple that led to Fortnite’s App Store ban
Apple is holding the Unreal Engine hostage, Epic says in new motion
Epic confirms Fortnite’s new season won’t be on iPhone, iPad, or Mac
Fortnite is splitting into two different games because of Epic and Apple’s fight
Apple apologizes to WordPress, won’t force the free app to add purchases after all
Fortnite on iOS already feels empty and dated
Apple’s move to make advertising harder on iOS 14 is part of a trend
Announcing the Get Wired podcast
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Kara and Scott take a victory lap as SoftBank buys out Adam Neumann, the founder of weWork for a cool $1.7 billion. They talk about what the future might hold, now that Google has unveiled its quantum computer. Tesla proved Scott wrong and came out with some really big earnings this week. We also hear from Senior Recode reporter, Peter Kafka about what to expect from the streaming wars as Apple debuts its own platform. Winners are the women of Congress, who absolutely skewered Mark Zuckerberg in a Congressional hearing.
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The Vox/Recode family has a new podcast, Land of the Giants. And so we’re going to talk to Jason Del Rey, the voice behind the first season of this podcast, which focuses on Amazon. But look, I’ve wanted to get someone on to talk turkey with me about Amazon for a while now, because they're at this weird place where… maybe they’re the most powerful tech company in the land? What does that mean, for them AND for us? Jason Del Rey was the perfect person to ask.
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Recode editor-at-large Kara Swisher joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the possibilities of breaking up big tech companies like Google, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon. Kara also explains how the dominance of these four giant companies harms competition and innovation in Silicon Valley and why tech companies should be doing more to help.
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Special guest Peter Kafka — executive editor at Recode and longtime reporter in the fields of media and technology — joins the show to discuss the announcements at last week’s “Show Time” event: Apple News+, Apple Card, Apple Arcade, and Apple TV Channels and TV+.
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Kafka: "Apple’s Plan for Its New TV Service: Sell Other People’s TV Services".
Kafka's take on the event.
My brief thoughts on the event.
Designer Wyatt Mitchell's exquisite white jumpsuit.
"Joker" teaser, from director Todd Phillips.
Yours truly on Kafka’s Recode Media podcast back in 2016.
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