Bluesky

Today, I’m talking with Toni Schneider, the new head of social platform Bluesky who formally took over after a short stint as interim CEO. This is one of my favorite kinds of interviews, because a couple years ago we had Bluesky’s prior CEO, Jay Graber, on the show — she’s now the company’s chief innovation officer. All of that kind of shuffle is pure Decoder bait: a new CEO often brings with them new priorities, which is perhaps the most Decoder subject of all. Links: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber | Decoder (2024) Bluesky CEO Jay Graber steps down | TechCrunch Staying in the game | Toni Schneider The messy WordPress drama, explained | The Verge Proton CTO Bart Butler | Decoder Subscribe to The Verge to access the ad-free version of Decoder! Credits: Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Decoder’s producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Eileen Felix. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Toni Schneider

Partner

True VenturesBluesky

Dan Abramov joins Scott and Wes to explain AT Protocol, the open standard quietly rebuilding the social web. They get into how it actually works, why it’s way bigger than just Bluesky, and why Dan calls it one of the most interesting ideas on the internet right now. Show Notes 00:00 Intro 00:45 Welcome to Syntax! 01:46 Introduction of Dan Abramov 02:55 Understanding AT Protocol and Its Importance 06:41 The Relationship Between AT Protocol and Bluesky 08:22 Identity and Hosting in AT Protocol 11:29 Brought to you by Sentry 11:54 Use Cases for AT Protocol 13:08 How Content is Managed in AT Protocol 19:12 Public Data and Future Extensions of AT Protocol pds.ls 20:33 Schema Flexibility in AT Protocol Standard.site 25:28 Exploring AT Protocol Patterns UFOs 28:27 Media and Data Integration Challenges Stream.place 31:15 User Experience and Accessibility in AT Protocols 32:13 AI Intersections with AT Protocol 36:54 Comparing Protocols: Bluesky vs. Mastodon 41:43 Decentralization and Crypto Connections 44:59 Addressing Abuse and Spam in Protocols 48:24 Community Trust and Content Quality 51:20 Innovations and Future of AT Protocol 55:55 Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs Sick Picks Scott: Wes: Dan: Solo Monk Shameless Plugs Scott: Wes: Dan: Next.js 16.3: Instant Navigations Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

Dan Abramov

Creator of Redux

FacebookMetaBluesky

Show Description If you're like Chris and understand a bit of the tech behind AT Proto but want to understand it at a deeper level, this episode is for you. How does it differ from straight up RSS and Mastodon, where is my identity being stored, how do I create a schema, what can be updated or modified later, is there going to be a PDS revolution, how does Standard.site fit into it all, and what else could we build with AT Proto? Listen on Website Watch on YouTube Guests Dan Abramov Guest's Main URL • Guest's Social Links overreacted There are no instances in AT Proto dan abramov Tangled Leaflet BlueSky For You feed Standard.site Implementing Standard Site: WIlto atapult teal.fm

Dan Abramov

Creator of Redux

FacebookMetaBluesky

Happy new year, Equity listeners! At the end of 2024, all eyes were on Bluesky's rapid growth. According to the social platform’s CEO Jay Graber, however, their goal is not just to recreate Twitter. Today, Rebecca is handing the reins over to TechCrunch senior reporter Max Zeff, who sat down with Graber at our last StrictlyVC event. Listen to the full episode to hear pair dig into the company’s success and why, according to Graber, people need to, “be able to control the social networks they communicate on," regardless of whether that continues to be Bluesky or another federated social platform. Equity is TechCrunch’s flagship podcast and posts every Wednesday and Friday.  Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod. For the full episode transcript, for those who prefer reading over listening, check out our full archive of episodes here. Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. Bryce Durbin is our Illustrator. We'd also like to thank the audience development team and Henry Pickavet, who manages TechCrunch audio products. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jay Graber

CEO

Bluesky

Millions of users have joined social media platform Bluesky in recent weeks, as an alternative to Elon Musk's X. It’s sparking new opportunities and challenges for Bluesky's tiny 20-person team, and COO Rose Wang joins Rapid Response to discuss a major shift underway in social media. As dissatisfaction with the big platforms grows, she explains why the open network of Bluesky isn't just X by another name, nor a liberal refuge, but instead part of a new decentralized social web that prioritizes closer personal connections, data privacy, and democratization. For more info, visit: www.rapidresponseshow.com See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Rose Wang

COO

Bluesky

Bluesky has really taken off since the election, and since the Decoder team took some time off for Thanksgiving break, we felt it was a great time to bring back the interview we did earlier this year with Jay Graber, the CEO of Bluesky, the upstart competitor to Meta’s Threads and the platform formerly known as Twitter.  At the time, Bluesky was a pretty small platform. It had just reached 5 million users when Jay and I spoke. But since the election, Bluesky’s growth has absolutely skyrocketed to more than 20 million users, and it's starting to put real competitive pressure on Threads at the feature level. As Bluesky really ramps up, it seemed like a great time to engage with some of the core questions behind its design and see if Jay and her team can keep it up. Links:  Twitter’s heir apparent isn’t X or Threads — it’s Bluesky | The Verge Bluesky now has more than 20 million users | The Verge Bluesky moves deeper into moderation hell | The Verge Twitter is funding research into a decentralized version of its platform | The Verge Bluesky built a decentralized protocol for Twitter | The Verge The fediverse, explained | The Verge Bluesky showed everyone’s ass | The Verge Can ActivityPub save the internet? | The Verge Bluesky snags former Twitter/X Trust & Safety exec cut by Musk | TechCrunch Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech — Mike Masnick Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23872913 Credits:  Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jay Graber

CEO

Bluesky

In this episode, we dive deep into the origins of two of the leading social networks and the protocols they run on - Threads/ActivityPub and Bluesky/AT protocol. If you've been wondering what the heck the Fediverse is, this episode is for you! Music provided by Epidemic Sound  Special Thanks to: Evan Prodomou at Activitypub Eugen Rochko at Mastodon John O'Nolan at Ghost Mike McCue at Flipboard Adam Mosseri at Meta Jay Gruber at Bluesky Ryan Barrett at Bridgy-Fed Sources: W3C: https://www.w3.org/ Identica logo: By _Identi.ca_logo.png: Status.net Teamderivative work: Valarauco (talk) - _Identi.ca_logo.png, CC BY 3.0, https://bit.ly/4cKI4le NY Times Elon and Zuck Cage Match: https://nyti.ms/3XmP2IM ActivityPub Graphic: Image creator: mray https://bit.ly/3T6sYjh Activity Streams graphic: By User:Unoli - https://bit.ly/4dIoUhi Huffpost Twitter Clown Car: https://bit.ly/3YWzPiW Original Hacker News Mastodon Post: https://bit.ly/3Z9oeNk NBC News Elon buys Twitter: https://bit.ly/4dwNBx7 Bloomberg Elon Buys Twitter: https://bit.ly/3Z4X3mW CBS News Elon Buys Twitter: https://bit.ly/3yUBaw6 NBC News Elon Buys Twitter: https://bit.ly/3Xk5WYB NY Times Elon Buys Twitter: https://nyti.ms/3z8xLcW NBC News Twitter Rebrands to X: https://nbcnews.to/3MqIUc8 Verge Twitter Paid Verification: https://bit.ly/3Xn4o06 Forbes How Facebook Beat Myspace: https://bit.ly/3Z3B27X Guardian Digg users revolt: https://bit.ly/3AF2v5U Verge Reddit API Shutdown: https://bit.ly/3YWsyzE Adweek Reddit Platform Visibility: https://bit.ly/3MnLX4Z Elon F You to Advertisers: https://bit.ly/3XjY35w 404Media AI Shrimp Jesus Explained: https://bit.ly/476VGWJ Forbes Threads Fastest Growing App: https://bit.ly/3T4VAco Waveform Secret History of the Internet: https://bit.ly/4dDCmTv Instagram Statement about Political Content: https://bit.ly/4cJxw65 Wired Google Launches Buzz: https://bit.ly/3X7f69s Business Insider Google Buzz Privacy Flaw: https://bit.ly/3X2ThIbFTC Charges Google: https://bit.ly/3AD76FA Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Evan Prodromou

Executive Director

Social Web FoundationW3CW3C / ActivityPubOpenEarth Foundation

Eugen Rochko

CEO & Creator

Mastodon

John O'Nolan

Founder

Ghost

Mike McCue

CEO

Flipboard

Adam Mosseri

Head of Instagram

MetaFacebookInstagram

Jay Graber

CEO

Bluesky

Ryan Barrett

Creator, Bridgy Fed

Bridgy Fed

Today, I’m talking to Jay Graber, the CEO of Bluesky Social, which is a decentralized competitor to Meta’s Threads, Mastodon, and X. Bluesky actually started inside of what was then known as Twitter — it was a project from then-CEO Jack Dorsey, who spent his days wandering the earth and saying things like Twitter should be a protocol and not a company. Bluesky was supposed to be that protocol, but Jack spun it out of Twitter in 2021, just before Elon Musk bought the company and renamed it X. Bluesky is now an independent company with a few dozen employees, and it finds itself in the middle of one of the most chaotic moments in the history of social media. There are a lot of companies and ideas competing for space on the post-Twitter internet, and Jay makes a convincing argument that decentralization — the idea that you should be able to take your username and following to different servers as you wish — is the future. Links:  Twitter is funding research into a decentralized version of its platform — The Verge Bluesky built a decentralized protocol for Twitter — and is working on an app that uses it — The Verge The fediverse, explained — The Verge Bluesky showed everyone’s ass — The Verge Can ActivityPub save the internet? — The Verge The ‘queer.af’ Mastodon instance disappeared because of the Taliban — The Verge Usage Of Elon Musk’s X Dropped 30% In The Last Year, Study Suggests — Forbes Bluesky snags former Twitter/X Trust & Safety exec cut by Musk — TechCrunch Bluesky and Mastodon users are having a fight that could shape the next generation of social media — TechCrunch Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech — Mike Masnick Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23872913 Credits:  Decoder is a production of The Verge, and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and was edited by Callie Wright. Our supervising producer is Liam James. The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jay Graber

CEO

Bluesky

An interview with Bluesky CEO Jay Graber about the future of social media. Sponsors: FactorMeals.com/ride50 and code ride50 for 50% off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jay Graber

CEO

Bluesky

Bluesky, the Twitter spin-off, is now open for public sign-ups. Can its dreams of decentralization fix social media? We talk with CEO Jay Graber. Then, New York Times reporter Erin Griffith on how Adobe’s failed acquisition of Figma has spooked tech companies and upset Silicon Valley’s startup pipeline. And finally, updates on ancient scrolls and artificial intelligence, Google’s chatbots, and the fight between record companies and TikTok.  Today’s guests:  Jay Graber, CEO of Bluesky Erin Griffith, reporter for The New York Times Additional Reading:  What Is Bluesky and Why Are People Clamoring to Join It? After Its $20 Billion Windfall Evaporated, a Start-Up Picks Up the Pieces First passages of rolled-up Herculaneum scroll revealed Google Releases Gemini, an A.I.-Driven Chatbot and Voice Assistant Universal Music Group Pulls Songs From TikTok We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com.  Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jay Graber

CEO

Bluesky

Erin Griffith

Technology Reporter

The New York Times

The week Amal & guest co-host Eric Clemmons talk to Dan Abramov all about React Server Components. We learn about why they were created, what problems they solve & how they work to improve application performance. We also dive into the rollout and current support status, the origin story, the community response & walk through the 10+ years of React history which have forever shifted the world of web development. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 6 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Vercel – Zero configuration for over 35 frameworks Vercel is the Frontend Cloud makes it easy for any team to deploy their apps. Today, you can get a 14-day free trial of Vercel Pro, or get a customized Enterprise demo from their team. Visit vercel.com/changelogpod to get started. PowerSync – Don’t build your own sync layer! PowerSync enables an offline-first architecture to make your application real-time and reactive. PowerSync is framework agnostic with open source client SDKs and plugs into your existing database, backend, and application to give you an offline-first/local-first architecture without having to build your own sync layer. Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs. Featuring: Dan Abramov – Website, GitHub, X Amal Hussein – GitHub, X Eric Clemmons – GitHub, X Show Notes: Changelog Beats! Dance Party Making Sense of React Server Components How Next.js is delivering React’s vision for the future Simplifying Server Components React Server Components with Aurora Walberg “React from Another Dimension” by Dan Abramov at #RemixConf 2023 (YouTube) Data Fetching with React Server Components RFC: React Server Components (Github) Next.js 13: Server Components (docs) “Data Fetching with React Server Components” initial 2020 vision (YouTube) JavaScript Fatigue Click to Component (Github) Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Dan Abramov

Creator of Redux

FacebookMeta

Jake Gold, Infrastructure Engineer at Bluesky, joins Corey on Screaming in the Cloud to discuss his experience helping to build Bluesky and why he’s so excited about it. Jake and Corey discuss the major differences when building a truly open-source social media platform, and Jake highlights his focus on reliability. Jake explains why he feels downtime can actually be a huge benefit to reliability engineers, and why how he views abstractions based on the size of the team he’s working on. Corey and Jake also discuss whether cloud is truly living up to its original promise of lowered costs. About Jake Jake Gold leads infrastructure at Bluesky, where the team is developing and deploying the decentralized social media protocol, ATP. Jake has previously managed infrastructure at companies such as Docker and Flipboard, and most recently, he was the founding leader of the Robot Reliability Team at Nuro, an autonomous delivery vehicle company. Links Referenced: Bluesky: https://blueskyweb.xyz/ Bluesky waitlist signup: https://bsky.app

Jake Gold

Infrastructure Engineer

Bluesky

Dan Abramov & Joe Savona from the React Team join Jerod & Nick for a wide-ranging discussion about React’s place in the frontend ecosystem. We cover everything from React competing with React, their responses to SPA fatigue and recent criticisms, to Server Components and the future of the framework. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 2 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs. Changelog++ – You love our content and you want to take it to the next level by showing your support. We’ll take you closer to the metal with extended episodes, make the ads disappear, and increment your audio quality with higher bitrate mp3s. Let’s do this! KBall Growth – A four step process that will set you up for success by helping you achieve clarity, learn to leverage your unique strengths, and develop a clear path to success. Get started today. Featuring: Dan Abramov – Website, GitHub, X Joe Savona – GitHub, X Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X Nick Nisi – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X Show Notes: React server componenets intro video React server componenets demo app React server componenets RFC Try out React server componenets with Next.js’s app router React’s blog to get updates Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Dan Abramov

Creator of Redux

FacebookMeta

Joe Savona

Software Engineer

Meta

Toni Schneider is a Partner @ True Ventures, one of the valley's leading early-stage firms with a portfolio including the likes of Peloton, Hashicorp, Fitbit, Automattic (Wordpress) and Tray.io to name a few. As for Toni, he has spent 14 years as a Partner @ True but during that tenure, he was also the CEO of Automattic for 8 years where he helped WordPress.com become a top 10 global internet destination with close to a billion monthly visitors. Before that, he was a VP @ Yahoo post their acquisition of the company he was CEO of Oddpost, much of their work formed the basis for Yahoo mail. (Note: Recorded Pre-Coronavirus) In Today's Episode You Will Learn: 1.) How Toni made his way into the world of venture following two turns in the seat of CEO and then joining Yahoo? 2.) Does Toni fundamentally believe it helps when investing to have been both an operator with Automattic and Partner @ True? How did being CEO @ Automattic shape how he thinks about investing today? How did Toni manage the balancing act of a being a CEO and Partner at a venture fund for 7 years? Having been a CEO and having worked with the best, what does Toni believe are the qualities that make the great CEO of today? 3.) Why does Toni believe that startups do not have to be as stressful as they are or are portrayed to be? How does Toni deal with the shit hit the fan moments? What can an investor do in times of high stress when the founder is not performing? What is the right way for them to express that the performance is not where it needs to be? On the flip side, what is the right way for investors to show their support to the founders? 4.) What are Toni's biggest learnings from the Wordpress days on what it takes to run a truly successful remote team? Where does Toni see many people going wrong today? What does Toni advise those considering going remote first? What does Toni believe are the biggest pros and cons of the model? What infrastructure does one need to have in place to make it seamless? Does it still make sense for companies to be in the valley? Items Mentioned In Today's Show: Toni's Fave Book: Their Eyes Were Watching God, Predictably Irrational: The Hidden Forces That Shape Our Decisions Toni's Most Recent Investment: Piavita As always you can follow Harry, The Twenty Minute VC and Toni on Twitter here! Likewise, you can follow Harry on Instagram here for mojito madness and all things 20VC.

Toni Schneider

Partner

True Ventures

Dan Abramov, creator of Redux, joined the show to talk about his path to becoming a programmer, his introduction to open source, React, JavaScript, functional programming in JavaScript, his thoughts on looking outside of your bubble to other ecosystems and borrowing/sharing what you can. Join the discussion Changelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Codeship – Download the FREE eBook “Why Containers and Docker are the Future” Toptal – Freelance as a Developer OR Designer with Toptal Braintree – Start accepting PayPal, Bitcoin, Venmo, Apple Pay, Android Pay, cards, and whatever’s next – all with a single integration. Linode – Our cloud server of choice! Get one of the fastest, most efficient SSD cloud servers for only $10/mo. We host everything we do on Linode servers. Use the code changelog20 to get 2 months free! Featuring: Dan Abramov – Website, GitHub, X Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X Show Notes: [Guest idea] Dan Abramov (Redux) · Issue #317 · thechangelog/ping Redux Homepage and Docs rackt/redux “We do not need another Flux framework. We have about 50,000 Flux frameworks.” – @rookieone on #BeyondCode Getting Started with Redux Course by Dan Abramov on Egghead.io Relay | A JavaScript framework for building data-driven React applications Flux | Application Architecture for Building User Interfaces By any means necessary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Dan Abramov - Live React: Hot Reloading with Time Travel at react-europe 2015 - YouTube acdlite/flummox omcljs/om David Nolen (@swannodette) on GitHub Elm Middleware | Redux Richard Feldman (@rtfeldman) on GitHub The Changelog #151: Rust with Steve Klabnik and Yehuda Katz Hero: Jordan Walke (@jordwalke) on Twitter Hero: Sebastian Markbåge (@sebmarkbage) on Twitter Hero: Steve Klabnik (@steveklabnik) on Twitter RLRT: Nice interview by @changelog about #rustlang - could give it a try in the following weeks :) Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Dan Abramov

Creator of Redux

FacebookMeta