Blockchain Association

Kristin Smith walks through the vote math, the ethics fight, and what happens to crypto capital if the Clarity Act stalls before the midterms. The Senate needs 60 votes to pass crypto's market structure bill, the Clarity Act, before an August recess deadline just weeks away. Majority Leader John Thune says the votes likely will not be there in time, and Polymarket puts the odds of passage this year at roughly 30 percent. Kristin Smith, President of the Solana Policy Institute, joins Laura Shin to explain why a deal that seemed close has snagged on ethics language Trump agreed to but Senate Democrats do not trust the Department of Justice to enforce. Smith walks through the vote math behind 53 Senate Republicans and the Democrats who backed last year's Genius Act, the Blockchain Regulatory Certainty Act's protections for developers, and the new commodities pathway for token launches. She also maps where the sidelined capital goes, from the Middle East to Japan, if Clarity misses its window before the midterms. Host Laura Shin - Founder, CEO and Host of Unchained Guest Kristin Smith - President of the Solana Policy Institute Sponsor Cape: Your biggest crypto vulnerability isn't your wallet, it's your phone number. Cape is America's privacy-first mobile carrier that rotates your SIM identity daily and blocks SIM swaps before they happen. Get 33% off your first six months at https://cape.co/unchained (use code: UNCHAINED). Timestamps: 🗳️ 00:51 Why Clarity's Senate timeline looks so tight before the August recess 📣 09:20 Cape: Get 33% off your first six months with code unchained at https://cape.co/unchained ⚖️ 10:16 Why Trump's ethics language deal became Clarity's toughest sticking point 🏛️ 18:34 Kristin Smith on the Clarity Act provisions that most excite the industry 🌍 23:31 What happens to crypto capital and global leadership if Clarity fails Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kristin Smith

CEO

Blockchain AssociationSolana Policy Institute

This week, Jake Chervinsky & MC Lader join the show to discuss the growth of Hyperliquid in 2026 and beyond. We deep dive into Hyperliquid's 24/7 markets thesis, how Native Markets won the USDH proposal, founding the Hyperliquid Policy Center, regulation in 2026 and more. Enjoy! -- Follow MC: https://x.com/Mclader Follow Jake: https://x.com/jchervinsky Follow Santi: https://x.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://x.com/theempirepod -- Join us at DAS (Digital Asset Summit) in New York City this March! Follow the link below to grab your ticket, and use code EMPIRE200 to get $200 off your ticket! https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-nyc-2026 -- ZKsync is the Bank Stack of Ethereum. It is a network of chains secured by cryptography, not validators. Its cutting-edge ZK innovation enables the privacy, performance and connectivity that businesses need to thrive in the digital assets economy. To find out more visit: https://www.zksync.io/ -- Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (02:45) The Hyperliquid 24/7 Markets Thesis (06:02) Founding The Hyperliquid Policy Center (15:45) The State of DeFi Regulation (18:59) ZKsync Ad (19:34) The Hyperliquid USDH Proposal (29:59) Stablecoin Regulation In The US (38:05) The Hyperliquid 24/7 Markets Thesis (44:40) The Future of Stablecoins (57:53) Crypto Regulation In 2026 & Beyond -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, Rob and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Jake Chervinsky

Partner

Variant FundBlockchain AssociationCompound FinanceCompoundVariantCompound LabsHCHyperliquid Policy Center

MC Lader

Co-founder

NMNative Markets

Thank you to our sponsor, Mantle! After months of anticipation, U.S. Senators have unveiled draft crypto market structure legislation. In this episode of DEX in the City, hosts Jessi Brooks, Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos and Vy Le are joined by Blockchain Association CEO and former CFTC Commissioner Summer Mersinger to unpack all the provisions that stand out. These include the bill's attempt to draw a line between centralized and decentralized platforms, the amended stance on stablecoin yield and exemptions for assets with ETFs. Would the bill “sweep up all of DeFi?” Has crypto lost the fight over stablecoin yield? And is Trump playing interference for crypto? Hosts: Jessi Brooks Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos TuongVy Le Guests: Summer Mersinger, CEO Blockchain Association Links: Tether Freezes $182 Million in USDT on Tron Senators Move to Curb Passive Stablecoin Yields in Market Structure Push How the Crypto Market Structure Law Would Expose that Trump’s WLFI Isn’t DeFi Jessi and Katherine's paper on programmable risk management Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summer Mersinger

CEO

Blockchain AssociationCFTC

Crypto vs. Banks — the proxy war for the future of money is heating up. Summer Mersinger, CEO of the Blockchain Association and former CFTC Commissioner, joins Bankless to unpack the battle over the GENIUS Act, why banks are fighting to roll it back, and how stablecoins have become the frontline. From Elizabeth Warren’s fading influence to the $700M bank lobbying machine, we explore what’s really happening on Capitol Hill, the global stakes for stablecoins, and how upcoming U.S. policy could reshape innovation, regulation, and consumer freedom. --- 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24 https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium --- BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🪙FRAX | SELF SUFFICIENT DeFi https://bankless.cc/Frax 🦄UNISWAP | SWAP ON UNICHAIN https://bankless.cc/unichain 🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle 🎩DEGEN | JOIN THE COMMUNITY https://bankless.cc/degen 🌳KGEN | REQUEST A DEMO https://bankless.cc/KGEN-podcast 🏄 SURF | UPGRADE YOUR CRYPTO RESEARCH https://bankless.cc/surf --- TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 1:12 The GENIUS Act Victory 8:49 How Laws Really Get Made 16:17 The Bank Lobby vs. The Crypto Lobby 20:29 The Shifting Politics of Crypto 27:29 Will Banks Go Crypto? 33:10 International Dimension 37:14 CFTC, SEC, and Market Structure 52:26 DC Drama & Leadership Vacancies 55:42 Prediction Markets & Policy Battles 1:00:07 Looking Ahead to 2026 1:02:15 Closing Thoughts --- RESOURCES Summer Mersinger https://x.com/SKMersinger Blockchain Association https://x.com/BlockchainAssn --- Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures

Summer Mersinger

CEO

Blockchain AssociationCFTC

Jake Chervinsky and Amanda Tuminelli join us to unpack the Roman Storm verdict—what it means for DeFi, why Section 1960 is a looming threat to open-source developers, and the strong grounds for appeal. We discuss the legal, political, and legislative paths forward, the role of Congress in protecting developers, and how the crypto industry can mobilize to prevent future prosecutions. ------ 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24 https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🪙FRAX | SELF SUFFICIENT DeFi https://bankless.cc/Frax 🦄UNISWAP | SWAP ON UNICHAIN https://bankless.cc/unichain 🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 0:24 Verdict First Impressions 4:22 Was it Successful? 6:26 Second Trial? 9:47 Money Transmitter Debate 15:20 Optimistic Setup? 19:56 Levels of Precedent 26:04 What’s Next? 30:26 Crypto Industry Agency 34:01 Regulatory Acts 37:33 Two Paths 44:35 Trump Administration 49:02 Upcoming Administrations 53:45 Call to Action 56:55 Closing & Disclaimers ------ RESOURCES Jake Chervinsky https://x.com/jchervinsky Amanda Tuminelli https://x.com/amandatums DeFi Education Fund https://www.defieducationfund.org/ Fund Roman Storm https://freeromanstorm.com/ Fund Alex Pertsev https://juicebox.money/v2/p/713 ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

Jake Chervinsky

Partner

Variant FundBlockchain AssociationCompound FinanceCompoundVariantCompound LabsHCHyperliquid Policy Center

Amanda Tuminelli

Executive Director

DeFi Education Fund

The crypto industry is fixated on the U.S. Senate. On Thursday, lawmakers failed to advance the GENIUS Act, the most significant federal stablecoin bill to date. But the story isn’t over.  Behind the process is a drama about potential presidential conflicts, shifting political alliances, and unresolved policy questions. In this episode, Kristin Smith, CEO of the Blockchain Association and Amanda Tuminelli, executive director and CLO of the DeFi Education Fund, break down: Why the bill stalled but isn’t dead yet The role Trump’s crypto ties are playing Whether Democrats who once backed crypto are turning away Why advocates are still pushing for a deal this year Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com FalconX Bitkey: Use code UNCHAINED for 20% off Mantle Kristin Smith, CEO of the Blockchain Association Amanda Tuminelli, executive director and CLO of the DeFi Education Fund Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 📉 2:01 Why the Senate blocked the vote but the bill isn’t dead yet 🔄 5:17 Why some pro-crypto Democrats suddenly flipped ⚖️ 8:08 Key differences between the two competing GENIUS Act proposals 🔄 14:18 Whether lawmakers are starting to shift their crypto stances 🤝 16:05 Can the Senate overcome divisions and get this across the finish line? 🏛️ 18:14 How Trump’s crypto ties are shaping the legislative battle ⏳ 20:46 Is the August deadline already slipping out of reach 📝 22:39 Combining stablecoin and market structure bills  🎉 25:59 Why Kristin says it’s a relief not to have to deal with Gensler anymore Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kristin Smith

CEO

Blockchain Association

Amanda Tuminelli

Executive Director

DeFi Education Fund

With Paul Atkins as the incoming SEC Chair, David Sacks as the AI & Crypto Czar, and potential CFTC leadership changes, the Trump administration is signaling a major shift for crypto, AI, and financial regulation.  Guests Mike Selig and Jake Chervinsky break down what this means for token launches, enforcement actions, inter-agency collaboration, and the fate of Operation Chokepoint 2.0. Could this mark the end of the U.S.’s regulatory hostility toward innovation? Show highlights: 02:18-What changes to expect under an Atkins-led SEC 08:58-Who could lead the SEC in the period between Gensler resigning and Atkins assuming 11:54-Whether the Democrats will nominate SEC Commissioner Crenshaw again 15:50-Elizabeth Warren's influence on the non-Republican SEC commissioner picks 23:39-Whether Atkins’ leadership at the SEC might shift crypto regulation away from aggressive enforcement 28:26-Whether Gensler’s recent promotion of people in enforcement roles will further his SEC’s regulation-by-enforcement strategy 38:52-Whether the SEC and Coinbase will reach a settlement 41:47-Why Mike and Jake think it’s not likely that the SEC will pursue litigation in the Ripple case 46:03-How the SEC might clarify securities laws around token sales, airdrops, and exemptions 55:14-Whether Atkins’ leadership could fast-track Hester Peirce’s Safe Harbor 59:53-How the CFTC's potential lead on crypto regulation might redefine how it splits duties with the SEC 1:03:03-Whether it even makes sense to have two financial regulatory agencies 1:11:00-Who might lead the CFTC  1:13:59-Why Jake and Mike believe combining AI and crypto under one ‘czar’ makes sense 1:20:31-How the appointment of Scott Bessent for Treasury secretary will affect the crypto industry 1:25:47-How the likely end to Operation Chokepoint 2.0 will create a “sea change” Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Robinhood & Arbitrum Kelp DAO Guests: Mike Selig, Partner at Willkie Farr & Gallagher  Previous appearance on Unchained: Is Gary Gensler on a Mission to Put Crypto Down for Good? Jake Chervinsky, Chief Legal Officer at Variant Previous appearances on Unchained: The US vs. Crypto: Jake Chervinsky on Crypto's Legal and Regulatory Status Why the SEC vs. Ripple Order Is Now About 2 Things: Coinbase and Congress The Chopping Block: Jake Chervinsky on How the SEC Has Lost Credibility All Things Crypto Regulation With Jake Chervinsky Everything You Need to Know About the Looming Battle Over Privacy in Crypto Can Crypto Be a Force in the Midterms? Yes, Say Kristin Smith and Jake Chervinsky Links Trump’s Office Picks:  Unchained:  Why Trump’s SEC Chair Pick, Paul Atkins, Is So Positive for Crypto David Sacks as A.I. & Crypto Czar? Why the Industry Was Surprised Trump Taps Paul Atkins for Next SEC Chair, Making Good on His Crypto Promises Democratic SEC Commissioner Is Stepping Down, but That Doesn’t Mean Trump Will Get 2 Outright Picks  Trump Taps Hedge Fund Manager Scott Bessent to Be Treasury Secretary A Degen Administration? Why the Crypto Czar May Be Allowed to Own Tokens Tracking Trump’s Cabinet and Staff Nominations  Congressional Results John Reed Stark’s tweet:“current SEC Chair Gary Gensler is quietly working behind the scenes to lead the SEC from the grave” Operation Chokepoint 2.0 Forbes: How ‘Debanking’ Tech And Crypto Companies Could Kill Businesses Marc Andreessen and the CFPB: Debunking the Debanking Debunkers by Nic Carter Unchained: Regulators Are Limiting Banks Serving Crypto Clients. Does That Violate the Law?  Unchained: Killed By Politics, Ex-Diem Boss Says of Meta’s Stablecoin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Selig

Attorney

Willkie Farr & GallagherCommodity Futures Trading Commission

Jake Chervinsky

Partner

Variant FundBlockchain AssociationCompound FinanceCompoundVariantCompound LabsHCHyperliquid Policy Center

Subscribe to Unchained’s new regulatory newsletter Unregulated. With the presidential race in the spotlight, it’s easy to overlook the powerful role that Congress could play in shaping crypto policy in the coming years. From committee chairs to legislative allies, crypto advocates are keenly focused on the outcome of key Congressional races. Kristin Smith of the Blockchain Association and Alex Grieve of Paradigm join us today to break down which races and committees are critical for crypto, why the industry is more visible in Washington than ever, and what the chances are for lame duck legislation this year.  Read more: How Congressional Committee Leadership Could Shake Out for Crypto This Election Show highlights: Why this election is “incredibly important” for crypto  How the presence of Fairshake is increasingly noticed by Washington Why some committees are more important than others for the industry Why the Senate Banking Committee is key Whether Alex and Kristin are concerned about Sen. Warren becoming chair of the Senate Banking Committee What could happen to the House Financial Services Committee Who is likely to take on both of the Agricultural Committees, which is in charge of the CFTC How the Senate Commerce affects the crypto industry How the members of the House Energy Committee don’t have a strong stance on crypto What the stance of the Finance Committee on crypto is Why there is an opportunity in the House Ways and Means Committee Whether crypto tax legislation is in the works Who could be the SEC Chair under a Trump or Harris presidency Who could be the next Chair of the CFTC Whether Yellen will be replaced on Treasury, with many pro-crypto options on tap Why the Federal Reserve matters much more if they get to regulate stablecoins What the odds are for crypto legislation being passed this year Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Mantle Robinhood & Arbitrum Guests: Kristin Smith, CEO of the Blockchain Association Kristin’s Op-ed on Unchained: In the Ongoing SAB 121 Fight, Here’s How Crypto Can Move Forward With Bipartisan Support Previous appearances on Unchained: Kristin Smith on Why Crypto Legislation Could Be Passed by Year's End  Can Crypto Be a Force in the Midterms? Yes, Say Kristin Smith and Jake Chervinsky What the Crypto Industry Could See Under a Biden Administration Alexander Grieve, VP of Government Affairs at Paradigm Links Previous coverage of Unchained on the elections: With Rate Cuts and Upcoming Elections, What’s the Best Play in Crypto? Why Congressman Ro Khanna Is Hopeful the Democratic Party Will Embrace Crypto Why Gary Gensler Will Likely Be Out as SEC Chair No Matter Who Wins the Election Congressman French Hill on Crypto and His Top Pick for the Next SEC Chair Timestamps:  00:00 Intro 01:55 Why this election is pivotal for crypto 04:50 How Fairshake’s presence is catching Washington’s eye 16:39 Which committees matter most for crypto? 22:49 Why the Senate Banking Committee is crucial 28:54 Concerns about Sen. Warren as potential chair? 38:15 Possible shifts in the House Financial Services Committee 41:47 Who could control the Agricultural Committees and CFTC oversight? 47:35 How the Senate Commerce Committee impacts crypto 51:04 House Energy Committee’s stance on crypto 53:21 Finance Committee’s crypto perspective 55:03 Opportunities in the House Ways and Means Committee 57:28 Is crypto tax legislation in the works? 1:01:23 Potential SEC Chairs under Trump or Harris 1:03:57 Who could be the next CFTC Chair? 1:05:46 Will Yellen be replaced with a pro-crypto Treasury option? 1:08:06 Why the Fed’s role could be pivotal for stablecoin regulation 1:10:46 Odds of crypto legislation passing this year Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kristin Smith

CEO

Blockchain Association

Alex Grieve

Paradigm

Today Jake Chervinsky is back on the podcast to discuss Tornado Cash developer Roman Storm's court case and its implications on DeFi and the crypto industry.    Could DeFi be made illegal in the United States? Are DeFi developers going to be prosecuted if criminals use their code? Is it just DeFi? What other sectors could be at risk? The answers to these and many other questions are discussed in today’s episode. ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2   🗣️TOKU | CRYPTO EMPLOYMENT  https://bankless.cc/toku   ⚡️CARTESI | LINUX-POWERED ROLLUPS https://bankless.cc/CartesiGovernance   ⁠ 🦄UNISWAP | BROWSER EXTENSION https://bankless.cc/uniswap  ⚖️ ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM ⁠https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  ------ ✨ Mint the episode on Zora ✨ https://zora.co/collect/zora:0x0c294913a7596b427add7dcbd6d7bbfc7338d53f/75?referrer=0x077Fe9e96Aa9b20Bd36F1C6290f54F8717C5674E  ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 4:44 Roman Storm’s Case 12:52 Is DeFi at Risk? 18:20 The Ruling & Its Implications  21:29 Money Transmission Explained  25:52 Roman Storm’s Arrest 30:54 Are All DeFi Protocols At Risk?  36:17 Prosecution of Privacy 43:11 What This Ruling Means & What’s Next 48:41 Best & Worst Case Scenario 53:11 Other Sectors At Risk 57:35 Other Cases 1:03:48 Totalitarian Nightmare 1:08:21 SEC Updates 1:12:00 US Election 2024 1:17:30 Geofencing 1:23:21 Are We Winning & Conclusion ------ RESOURCES Jake Chervinsky https://x.com/jchervinsky  Jake Chervinsky’s Tweet https://x.com/jchervinsky/status/1839412423096467753  A Practical Guide to Geofencing https://variant.fund/articles/practical-guide-to-geofencing/  Defend Roman Storm https://juicebox.money/@defend-roman-storm  ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures ⁠

Jake Chervinsky

Partner

Variant FundBlockchain AssociationCompound FinanceCompoundVariantCompound LabsHCHyperliquid Policy Center

In this episode, we speak with CFTC Commissioner Summer Mersinger about the rapidly changing world of cryptocurrency regulation. Commissioner Mersinger provides a detailed look at the differences between the CFTC and SEC, their roles in overseeing digital assets, and how the regulatory landscape is evolving with DeFi and crypto markets. She discusses the CFTC’s recent dissent in the Uniswap case, the challenges of classifying assets as commodities or securities, and the implications of U.S. regulations on the global crypto industry.  Whether you're a crypto enthusiast, a DeFi developer, or just curious about how the U.S. government is approaching these new technologies, this episode offers invaluable insights into the future of crypto regulation. ------ 📣0x v2 | NEXT GEN PRICING ENGINE https://bankless.cc/0x   ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2   🗣️TOKU | CRYPTO EMPLOYMENT  https://bankless.cc/toku   ⚡️CARTESI | LINUX-POWERED ROLLUPS https://bankless.cc/CartesiGovernance   ⁠ 🦄UNISWAP | BROWSER EXTENSION https://bankless.cc/uniswap  ⚖️ ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM ⁠https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  ------ ✨ Mint the episode on Zora ✨ https://zora.co/collect/zora:0x0c294913a7596b427add7dcbd6d7bbfc7338d53f/72?referrer=0x077Fe9e96Aa9b20Bd36F1C6290f54F8717C5674E  ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 5:20 Commissioner Mersinger 8:20 CFTC vs. SEC Regulation Differences 9:44 Assets: Commodities vs. Securities 21:59 Consensus on Digital Assets as Commodities 26:03 CFTC vs. SEC Rivalry Dynamics 28:25 Bureaucracy a Feature or Bug? 29:34 Overregulation in Crypto: CFTC vs. SEC 36:15 Uniswap Case: CFTC Enforcement Action 47:41 The Regulatory Paradox of Decentralized Finance 1:00:09 CFTC Enforcement Decision-Making Process 1:02:02 Addressing Crypto Prediction markets in crypto 1:15:08  Engagement for Productive Crypto Future 1:19:52 Continuing engagement and conversation is essential 1:20:55 Closing & Disclaimers ------ RESOURCES Commissioner Summer Mersinger https://x.com/cftcmersinger  Commissioner Mersinger’s Dissent https://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/SpeechesTestimony/mersingerstatement090424   Uniswap Action  https://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/8961-24  ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures ⁠

Summer Mersinger

CEO

Blockchain AssociationCFTC

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Robert Leshner, and Tarun Chitra explore the latest trends in the crypto world. In this episode, we invite Laura Shin and special guest Kristin Smith of the Blockchain Association to discuss the latest in crypto politics. We dive deep into JD Vance's VP candidacy alongside Donald Trump and its implications for the crypto industry. We also explore the impact of recent political events on the crypto markets, the potential outcomes of key legislative efforts, and the future of the SEC post-2024 elections. Don't miss this insightful conversation on how the shifting political landscape might shape the future of crypto in the U.S. Show highlights 🔹The attempted assassination of Donald Trump and its effects on the crypto market, including his announcement of JD Vance as his running mate. 🔹Analysis of Trump's changing stance on crypto, and his increasing willingness to engage with the industry and its leaders. 🔹Explanation of the Vice President's role in setting financial services and innovation policy, especially in a potential Trump administration. 🔹 Speculation on whether Gary Gensler will step down if Trump wins and what this could mean for crypto regulation. 🔹 Overview of recent meetings between crypto executives and White House officials, signaling a shift in the Biden administration's approach to the industry. 🔹 Examination of the significant fundraising by crypto PACs like the Fair Shake PAC and their impact on political and regulatory decisions. 🔹Discussion on the Digital Commodities Act, market structure bills, and the challenges of passing crypto legislation in the current congressional session. 🔹 The evolving bipartisan support for crypto legislation and the importance of maintaining this support for future regulatory clarity. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly  ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  ⭐️Laura Shin, Journalist, Author of ‘The Cryptopians,’ founder and CEO of Unchained Guests ⭐️Kristin Smith, Chief Executive Officer of Blockchain Association Disclosures Timestamps  00:00 Intro 02:15 Trump & JD Vance 10:27 Politicians Stance on Crypto Policy 27:41 Crypto's Lobbying Efforts 34:56 Crypto's Political Influence 36:58 SEC Enforcement and Legal Battles 39:19 Speculations on Biden Administration's Crypto Stance 49:48 Legislative Pipeline and Market Structure Bills 01:01:36 Future of Crypto Regulation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kristin Smith

CEO

Blockchain Association

Kristin Smith is the CEO of Blockchain Association and Anthony Scaramucci is the founder and managing partner of SkyBridge Capital. In this episode, Smith and Scaramucci discuss the impact of crypto policy and politics on recent events, including the ETH ETF win, bipartisan support, and the influence of Trump and Biden. The discussion highlights the significance of the crypto voter, the evolving stance of the White House, and the potential impact on elections. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 00:38 Political Paradigm Shift 05:57 Biden WH Crypto Policy 08:09 Crypto 'Voting Bloc' 13:02 Trump's Crypto Flip Flop 16:33 Biden's Crypto Strategy 23:17 Closing Thoughts This episode is brought to you by our sponsor Polkadot Polkadot is the blockspace ecosystem for boundless innovation. To discover more head to polkadot.network The Block Community The Block is launching a new community experience for fans of The Scoop! Follow us on Lens to stay in the loop: hey.xyz/u/theblockcommunity The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters

Kristin Smith

CEO

Blockchain Association

Anthony Scaramucci

Founder and Managing Partner

SkyBridge CapitalSALT Conferences

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pods, Fountain, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Jake Chervinsky, chief legal officer of Variant, discusses the current state of crypto regulation, touching on several ongoing legal and regulatory issues in the crypto space, including Uniswap’s Wells notice, the Coinbase case, the Tornado Cash case, the Ethereum Foundation investigation and more. Chervinsky argues that the government's approach to these cases is often misguided, particularly in instances where they hold software developers liable for how third parties use their software. He also discusses the potential implications of the government's case against Tornado Cash, suggesting that it could have far-reaching consequences for all open-source software developers.  Chervinsky also delves into the SEC's ongoing investigations into the Ethereum Foundation, as well as the recent IRS draft form that lists unhosted wallets as a type of broker. He expressed concern about the potential impact of these investigations on the crypto industry, but remained optimistic about the future of DeFi in the US. Show highlights: How the Tornado Cash case could set a critical precedent for open-source software How the government’s Tornado indictment reveals a fear of unsurveilled financial systems, according to Jake What the implications of the Tornado Cash case could be for the broader DeFi space What lessons can be learned from the $62 million hack of Munchables on Blast How to address the challenge of malicious actors like North Korea using a permissionless system Whether Coinbase's staking services are considered a securities offering Whether Judge Failla’s ruling on Coinbase acting as a broker could be overturned Why Jake thinks the SEC will face significant challenges in its potential case against Uniswap Labs How the Debt Box case order impacts the SEC’s reputation, according to Jake How the industry is pushing back against the SEC’s regulation by enforcement with its own lawsuits for Lejilex and Beba The future of DeFi in the U.S. and its potential for success, according to Jake Why Jake believes the SEC will deny Ether ETFs and why he disagrees with the latest stablecoin regulation bill by Lummis and Gillibrand How the U.S. Presidential election could impact the future of the crypto industry Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Guest: Jake Chervinsky, Chief Legal Officer at Variant Previous appearances on Unchained: Why the SEC vs. Ripple Order Is Now About 2 Things: Coinbase and Congress The Chopping Block: Jake Chervinsky on How the SEC Has Lost Credibility All Things Crypto Regulation With Jake Chervinsky Everything You Need to Know About the Looming Battle Over Privacy in Crypto Can Crypto Be a Force in the Midterms? Yes, Say Kristin Smith and Jake Chervinsky Links Tornado Cash Jake’s amicus brief with Amanda Tuminelli Unchained: Given the Sanctions on Tornado Cash, Is Ethereum Censorship Resistant? Unchained: Is This the End of DeFi? Why the US Government Is Going After Tornado Cash Munchables exploit Unchained: Blast-Based NFT Game Munchables Recovers $62.5 Million Lost in Exploit SEC cases: Coinbase Unchained:  Why the SEC’s Case Against Coinbase Is So Significant for Crypto Court Rejects Coinbase’s Bid to Dismiss SEC Charges Against It Uniswap Unchained:  Gary Gensler’s Case Against Uniswap: Does the SEC Even Stand a Chance? SEC Puts DeFi in Its Sights With Potential Uniswap Suit Uniswap Blog Post on the Wells notice Marvin Ammori Thread on Wells notice Ethereum Foundation Unchained: SEC Investigating Ethereum Foundation Regarding Proof-of-Stake Transition: Report The Real Reason Why the SEC Might Be Going After Ethereum Debt Box Unchained: SEC Sanctioned for ‘Abuse of Power’ in Debt Box Lawsuit Beba DeFi Education Fund and Beba sue SEC over airdrop policies Lejilex Lawsuit document Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jake Chervinsky

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While there is always a lot of activity on Crypto Legal Front, this particular moment in time feels especially active. Today on the show we have Jake Chervinsky and Amanda Tuminelli, two of crypto’s most impressive lawyers.  Every single court case, of which there are 5 different ones discussed in this episode today, brings new precedent and new clarity to the crypto space. The theme of this episode today might be… crypto bites back. ------ 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24  https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium  ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2    ⁠  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  🏙️ CONSENSUS | SAVE 20% WITH CODE BANKLESS https://go.coindesk.com/4cBztCA  🏠 CASA | SECURE YOUR GENERATIONAL WEALTH https://bankless.cc/Casa  🔗CELO | CEL2 COMING SOON https://bankless.cc/Celo    🗣️TOKU | CRYPTO EMPLOYMENT SOLUTION https://bankless.cc/toku    ------ TIMESTAMPS 00:00:00 Start 00:05:18 Life as a Crypto lawyer 00:10:20 Coinbase Court Case 00:15:21 Are Airdrops Securities 00:19:34 Amanda's Take 00:22:22 Some Bad News 00:27:32 When Can We Expect Clarity? 00:30:11 Politics vs Policy 00:32:39 SEC vs ETH ETFs 00:36:55 ETH ETF Denial? 00:42:59 SEC Lying? 00:50:41 Leveraging Against Corruption 00:55:17 DeFi Education Fund vs SEC 01:03:56 Roman Storm 01:15:06 Can Courts Remain Impartial? 01:16:57 Elections Impact   ------ RESOURCES Amanda https://twitter.com/amandatums  Jake https://twitter.com/jchervinsky  ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

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In the latest episode of the Empire Policy Series, Santi hosts Rebecca Rettig and Jake Chervinsky to delve into recent allegations of Hamas leveraging cryptocurrency for terrorism funding, FinCEN's upcoming rules concerning crypto mixers, and the IRS's evolving crypto tax regulations. The trio also dissect the the forthcoming 3-6 months of crypto regulation and discuss recent bipartisan legislative triumphs in the stablecoin domain. To close out both Rebecca and Jake highlight the need for industry-wide collaboration to ensure regulations both foster innovation and effectively mitigate inherent risks. - - Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (1:31) Is Crypto Financing Terrorism? (11:37) Policy Maker Responses to Crypto Terrorism (18:34) Chainalysis Ad (19:38) Mixer Rule by Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (31:49) Defining the Mixer Use Case (45:22) Tax Provision for Crypto (51:59) Regulatory Outlook - - Follow Rebecca: https://twitter.com/RebeccaRettig1 Follow Jake: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - This episode is brought to you by Chainalysis. Chainalysis is the blockchain data platform. We provide data, software, services, and research to government agencies, web3 companies, financial institutions, and insurance and cybersecurity companies. Our data powers investigation, compliance, and business intelligence software that has been used to solve some of the world’s most high-profile criminal cases. For more information, visit www.Chainalysis.com/empire. - - Resources Submit a comment on regulation https://www.protectdefi.org/ DeFi Education Fund https://www.defieducationfund.org/ The Blockchain Association https://theblockchainassociation.org/ https://twitter.com/BlockchainAssn - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Rebecca Rettig

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Jake Chervinsky

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Jason is joined by Rebecca Rettig and Jake Chervinsky in today's special Policy Series episode to tackle the monumental implications of Grayscale ETF decision, Uniswap case dismissal and Tornado Cash indictments. They discuss how these decisions could impact the broader industry and what's coming up next for Bitcoin ETF decisions. - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:37)The Importance of Grayscale ETF Victory (11:20) “Chainalysis Ad” (12:24) ETF Consequences & What's Next? (28:48) Uniswap Case Dismissal (36:52) Impacts of Decisions (39:39) Creating a New Asset Class (41:27) Cravath Paper & Tornado Cash Indictment - - Follow Rebecca: https://twitter.com/RebeccaRettig1 Follow Jake: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - This episode is brought to you by Chainalysis. Chainalysis is the blockchain data platform. We provide data, software, services, and research to government agencies, web3 companies, financial institutions, and insurance and cybersecurity companies. Our data powers investigation, compliance, and business intelligence software that has been used to solve some of the world’s most high-profile criminal cases. For more information, visit www.Chainalysis.com/empire. - - Resources: Grayscale ETF https://twitter.com/jchervinsky/status/1696544309699363201 https://blockworks.co/news/judges-grayscale-sec-ruling https://twitter.com/MTCoppel/status/1696856472762683814 Uniswap Case Dismissal https://blockworks.co/news/uniswap-class-action-dismissed https://twitter.com/haydenzadams/status/1696991910370411003 Cravath Paper & Tornado Cash https://twitter.com/Cravath/status/1697693810363351358?s=20 https://twitter.com/RebeccaRettig1/status/1697716451358982364 Crypto Use-cases thevaluedrop.io The Blockchain Association https://theblockchainassociation.org/ https://twitter.com/BlockchainAssn - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Rebecca Rettig

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Jake Chervinsky

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Kristin Smith is the CEO of Blockchain Association — one of the top crypto policy advocacy groups in the U.S. In this episode, Smith unpacks the intricacies of the pending market structure bill set to make its way through Congress this fall, highlighting its potential to bring crypto regulatory clarity in the U.S. once and for all. According to Smith, the bill could be what's needed to bring in greater institutional participation and mainstream adoption: "It's something that we think that if it were to move forward, would give a lot of confidence to institutional investors, to traditional tech companies and other players to enter this space because they know there is a clear and workable regulatory framework in place." Outline: 00:40 - Current State of Crypto in DC 05:00 - Token Taxonomy Act (2018) 07:24 - 2023 Congressional Crypto Outlook 09:02 - Stablecoin Legislation 13:20 - Market Structure Legislation 16:24 - XRP Ruling 24:46 - Treasury Department & Crypto 28:07 - Anti-Crypto Congressional Sentiment 29:48 - Aliens 31:55 - 2024 Presidential Candidates & Crypto

Kristin Smith

CEO

Blockchain Association

Join Santi and guests Rebeca Rettig and Jake Chervinsky in today's special Policy Series episode as they discuss the landmark Ripple case and its monumental impact. Explore the implications for future legislation, token sales practices, decentralization & governance, and get updates on MiCA & EU regulations.  - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:24) Landmark Ripple Case (14:00) Verdict Impact on Industry Financing (19:08) What's Next for Ripple Case? (24:35) Influence on Future Legislation (28:36) Token Sales in Practice (38:31) Decentralization & Governance (48:57) Digital Asset Market Structure Proposal (56:25) Updates on MiCA & EU (01:01:18) Call Your Representatives (01:09:02) Futures Curve (01:15:07) Recession Risk - - Follow Rebecca: https://twitter.com/RebeccaRettig1 Follow Jake: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/  - - This episode is brought to you by Chainalysis.  Chainalysis is the blockchain data platform. We provide data, software, services, and research to government agencies, web3 companies, financial institutions, and insurance and cybersecurity companies. Our data powers investigation, compliance, and business intelligence software that has been used to solve some of the world’s most high-profile criminal cases.  For more information, visit www.Chainalysis.com/empire. - - Resources   Crypto Usecases thevaluedrop.io  The Blockchain Association https://theblockchainassociation.org/ https://twitter.com/BlockchainAssn - -  Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Rebecca Rettig

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Jake Chervinsky

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XRP isn’t itself a security; it depends on how it’s sold. So said a federal judge last Thursday in the SEC vs. Ripple case and the implications are significant. Jake Chervinsky, chief policy officer at the Blockchain Association, and lawyer Kayvan Sadeghi, partner at Jenner & Block, join the show to discuss two major ramifications. One: U.S. District Judge Analisa Torres dealt a major blow to the legal theory underpinning the SEC’s case against Coinbase. Two: This order really “lights a fire” under U.S. lawmakers to act on a pair of crypto bills in Congress. Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights: why this is an “extraordinary victory” for the industry, according to Jake whether Judge Torres made the right decision how the SEC could seek an interlocutory appeal to halt the case, though it’s unlikely what are the pending items in the case that need to be resolved why the order that Judge Torres issued is not a final judgment why it is more important to look at the transaction, not at the nature of the asset, to determine whether something should be deemed a security whether the SEC has the authority to call digital assets securities the significance of the “major questions doctrine” how the order in the Ripple case will affect other cases like the Coinbase one whether exchanges should re-list XRP why this case could be instrumental in steering the direction of crypto regulation in the U.S. whether other crypto tokens like SOL or MATIC should feel relieved with this new ruling why Jake says that this case will speed up the chances of crypto legislation getting passed what the differences are between the current crypto bills that are being proposed whether SEC Chair Gary Gensler should recuse himself from enforcement actions in the crypto industry Thank you to our sponsors! Crypto.com Arbitrum Foundation TOKEN2049 Guests: Jake Chervinsky, chief policy officer at the Blockchain Association Previous appearances on Unchained: The Chopping Block: Jake Chervinsky on How the SEC Has Lost Credibility All Things Crypto Regulation With Jake Chervinsky Everything You Need to Know About the Looming Battle Over Privacy in Crypto Can Crypto Be a Force in the Midterms? Yes, Say Kristin Smith and Jake Chervinsky Kayvan Sadeghi, partner at Jenner & Block and co-chair of the fintech and crypto assets practice. Links: Previous coverage of Unchained on the Ripple case:  New Order in SEC vs. Ripple Over XRP Is a Win for Crypto: What Happens Now? The Chopping Block: Should XRP Holders Really Be Rejoicing? The SEC's Lawsuit Against Ripple and 2 Execs: What You Need to Know  Ripple's XRP: Why Its Chances of Success Are Low SEC vs Ripple: Judge Rules XRP Sold on Exchanges Is Not a Security CoinDesk: Ripple, Crypto Industry Score Partial Win in SEC Court Fight Over XRP Ripple Labs Ruling Throws U.S. Crypto-Token Regulation into Disarray The Washington Post: Ripple ruling threatens SEC’s crypto regulation push Chair Gensler Must Recuse Himself From Digital Asset Enforcement Decisions - Blockchain Association Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Today we are joined by Rebecca Rettig and Jake Chervinsky to discuss the SEC's attack on crypto and how the industry needs to respond. Rebecca and Jake explore the SEC lawsuits, the McHenry-Thompson Bill, their expected US regulation timeline, DC's sentiment and more! Regulation and policy are becoming must-know topics for crypto participants, and this is your go-to source for everything you need to know. This is the second episode in an ongoing regulatory and policy series with Jake and Rebecca! - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (00:53) The SEC Lawsuits: What’s Next? (10:53) “Chainalysis Ad” (11:57) The SEC Lawsuits: What’s Next? (16:02) We Need a Use Case to Show Regulators (21:06) The McHenry-Thompson Bill (38:23) Unprecedented Action by the SEC (45:47) MiCA, Global Legislation and the US’s Timeline (54:10) Non-Custodial Tax Reporting (56:18) DC's Sentiment: FTX Still Lingers - - Follow Rebecca: https://twitter.com/RebeccaRettig1 Follow Jake: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - This episode is brought to you by Chainalysis. Chainalysis is the blockchain data platform. We provide data, software, services, and research to government agencies, web3 companies, financial institutions, and insurance and cybersecurity companies. Our data powers investigation, compliance, and business intelligence software that has been used to solve some of the world’s most high-profile criminal cases. For more information, visit www.Chainalysis.com/empire. - - Resources: The Blockchain Association https://theblockchainassociation.org/ https://twitter.com/BlockchainAssn Polygon https://polygon.technology/ - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

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Welcome to “The Chopping Block” – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner, chop it up about the latest news. In this episode, the Blockchain Association’s Jake Chervinsky breaks down the cases against Binance and Coinbase – and how they are different from FTX – what it means for the crypto industry, and who may be next. Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights:  Why Jake believes that the Binance lawsuit didn’t present major surprises Whether the SEC is trying to ban the crypto industry by enforcement How Binance has been allegedly doing a huge amount of wash trading Whether Gemini is next on the SEC’s enforcement action list How CZ and Coinbase CEOs have responded to the complaints How the market reacted to the lawsuits What the differences are between the Binance case and FTX Why the SEC is alleging that Coinbase is operating as an unregistered broker, exchange, and clearing agency Whether token issuers can bring action against the SEC for harming their business or reputation Whether the crypto industry doesn’t take the SEC seriously Whether the EOS settlement in 2019 shows how inconsistent the SEC has been in its crypto enforcement actions  Whether these cases will have an impact in Congress and accelerate legislation  What would happen if Gary Gensler stops being the chair of the SEC Hosts Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly  Robert Leshner, founder of Compound Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly  Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures Guest Jake Chervinsky, chief policy officer at the Blockchain Association Previous Unchained Appearances: Can Crypto Be a Force in the Midterms? Yes, Say Kristin Smith and Jake Chervinsky Everything You Need to Know About the Looming Battle Over Privacy in Crypto All Things Crypto Regulation With Jake Chervinsky Disclosures Links Unchained: SEC Sues Coinbase for Breaking Securities Laws SEC Files Motion to Freeze Binance’s Assets, Asks for ‘Sworn Accounting’ SEC Files 13 Charges Against Binance Including the Mishandling of Funds, Sale of Unregistered Securities SEC Calls Solana, Polygon, Algorand and Other Tokens Securities but Misses Ether in Binance Lawsuit US House Republicans Propose Bill That May Give Crypto Assets a Path to Becoming Commodities Fortune: Former Coinbase employee and his brother settle with the SEC, which again dodges proving whether cryptocurrencies are securities Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Joining us today are the best in the biz Chervinsky & Amanda Tuminelli who are here to answer all our questions about the SEC and it's assault on the crypto industry as a whole.  ------ 📣 ASYMETRIX | STAKE stETH NOW https://bankless.cc/asymetrix-pod  ------ 🚀 Airdrop Alpha is waiting for you on Bankless.com  https://bankless.cc/Alpha   ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS:  🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2    🦊METAMASK LEARN | HELPFUL WEB3 RESOURCE https://bankless.cc/MetaMask  ⚖️ ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum  👾STADER LABS | ETHX LIQUID STAKING https://bankless.cc/Stader  🗣️TOKU | CRYPTO EMPLOYMENT SOLUTION https://bankless.cc/Toku  🎮IMMUTABLE | GAMING ECOSYSTEM https://bankless.cc/Immutable  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  ------ CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 6:05 Who are Jake and Amanda? 8:08 Breaking Down This Historical Moment 11:19 The SEC Never Wanted Crypto To Win 14:56 Why Is Gary So Confident? 18:43 David's Conspiracy Theory 23:52 What if Gary Actually Wins? 31:07 Clarity From The Court Date? 35:01 Does Gary Just Want the Fame? 36:49 Why The SEC Rejects Public Process 38:34 Is This Un-Constitutional? 44:06 Jake's Optimistic Take 48:14 The Digital Asset Bill 52:44 How YOU Can Take Action ----- Not financial or tax advice. This channel is strictly educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any assets or to make any financial decisions. This video is not tax advice. Talk to your accountant. Do your own research. Disclosure. From time-to-time I may add links in this newsletter to products I use. I may receive commission if you make a purchase through one of these links. Additionally, the Bankless writers hold crypto assets. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures

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Today we are joined by Rebecca Rettig and Jake Chervinsky to discuss the state of crypto regulation. Rebecca and Jake explain how the US is falling behind, the EU's MiCA regulation, the SEC's attack on Coinbase, Gary's false sense of control and the hottest crypto bills in DC. Regulation and policy are becoming must-know topics for crypto participants, and this is your go-to source for everything you need to know. This is the first episode in an ongoing regulatory and policy series with Jake and Rebecca! - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (00:40) The State of Crypto Regulation (02:36) Europe's MiCA Legislation (11:10) “Chainalysis Ad” (12:14) Coinbase’s Offshore Expansion (14:11) The UK’s Approach and What’s Next for the EU (19:07) Gary Gensler’s April Testimony (22:45) Coinbase’s Fight with the SEC (30:08) Warren Marshall Bill (35:21) The US Policy Outlook - - Follow Rebecca: https://twitter.com/RebeccaRettig1 Follow Jake: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - This episode is brought to you by Chainalysis. Chainalysis is the blockchain data platform. We provide data, software, services, and research to government agencies, web3 companies, financial institutions, and insurance and cybersecurity companies. Our data powers investigation, compliance, and business intelligence software that has been used to solve some of the world’s most high-profile criminal cases. For more information, visit www.Chainalysis.com/empire. - - Resources: Coinbase's response to the SEC’s Wells notice https://www.coinbase.com/blog/coinbase-responds-to-the-secs-wells-notice The Blockchain Association https://theblockchainassociation.org/ https://twitter.com/BlockchainAssn Polygon https://polygon.technology/ - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

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Chief Policy Officer

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Jake Chervinsky

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In today’s episode of Empire, we start with a deep regulatory discussion with Kristin Smith and Rebecca Rettig to explore Gary's attack on crypto. We cover the SEC's attack against Kraken and BUSD, tokens as securities, market implications, what to expect next and more! Santi and Jason co-pilot the last 25 minutes to discuss Blur's airdrop, the battle for NFT market share, the L2 wars and Flashbots' new MEV-Share product. This episode covers everything you need to know from this wild week! - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (02:55) An attack on Stablecoins? (06:34) Kraken and staking services (10:22) Why is Gary gunning for crypto? (14:09) The Implications and path forward (27:37) What if tokens were deemed securities? (32:30) Blockworks Research (34:05) How should crypto companies respond? (40:22) Regulation segment recap (51:25) Blur's airdrop, OpenSea losing market share (59:10) L2 Wars, Flashbots MEV-Share, Sushi Studios - - Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Kristin: https://twitter.com/KMSmithDC Follow Rebecca: https://twitter.com/RebeccaRettig1 Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Resources Blockchain Association https://twitter.com/BlockchainAssn Polygon https://twitter.com/0xPolygon Empire podcast with Rebecca Rettig and Jake Chervinsky https://spoti.fi/3YTMfoh Flasbots MEV-Share article http://bit.ly/3S7g9TO Categorizing different zk implementations (a Twitter thread) https://twitter.com/pseudotheos/status/1622698514475061252?s=20 - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Kristin Smith

CEO

Blockchain Association

Rebecca Rettig

Chief Policy Officer

Polygon LabsJito LabsPolygonDeFi Education Fund

In this episode of Empire, Kristin Smith and Jake Chervinsky join us to discuss how FTX's collapse will impact crypto regulation. SBF was the poster child of crypto in D.C. - how will his fallout damage crypto's reputation? Did regulators fail consumers, and how will they respond? What are the shortcomings of the DCCPA bill? How important are the political midterms, and what is happening in the securities vs commodities debate? Tune in to find out! - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (00:54) SBF’s Unbelievable Damage (07:17) How Active Was SBF In D.C.? (09:52) The First Red Flags & DCCPA Threats (22:56) Where Regulators Failed (27:32) Expected Reaction From D.C. (33:43) Circle Ad (35:26) DCCPA Overview & Its Impact On DeFi (47:53) What The Midterms Mean For Crypto (50:55) The Litigation Phase (55:07) LBRY, Ripple & Progressive Decentralization (1:03:45) A Path Forward - - Follow Kristin: https://twitter.com/KMSmithDC Follow Jake: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- Circle’s USDC has quickly become one of the most trusted and widely used stablecoins because of its composability, stability and reserve transparency. As a seamless, trusted digital currency, USDC is a zero-to-one opportunity for the global financial system. Check out their Transparency Hub at http://empirepodcast.link/circle that outlines everything from links to USDC weekly reserve reports, monthly attestations, and blog posts written by their executive team highlighting how and why USDC was built the way it is. - - Resources Jake's tweet thread on DCCPA https://twitter.com/jchervinsky/status/1570451252852527104 Brian Amstrong's response to Elizabeth Warren https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1590511022104010753 Ron Hammond's tweet thread on FTX/SBF https://twitter.com/ronwhammond/status/1590741692348772352 Blockchain Association website https://theblockchainassociation.org/ - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

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CEO

Blockchain Association

Jake Chervinsky

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Kristin Smith, Executive Director of the Blockchain Association, comes to talk about Tornado Cash, the lawsuit against Ooki DAO, the SEC charges against Kim Kardashian, and crypto legislation.    Show highlights: whether regulators did not understand the implications of sanctioning smart contracts the necessity of having a conversation around financial privacy whether the government wants sanctions compliance at the base layer the reasons behind the CFTC lawsuit against Ooki DAO  why the SEC settled charges with Kim Kardashian and whether it was a publicity stunt the chances of the different crypto bills becoming law why Kristin thinks stablecoin legislation won’t come this year whether the CFTC being the main regulator of crypto settles the question of crypto being securities or commodities Thank you to our sponsors!   1inch Crypto.com   Kristin Twitter      The lawsuit against Ooki DAO Previous coverage of Unchained on Ooki DAO: Why the Ooki DAO Case Could Hurt Participation in DAOs CFTC Filing $250,000 fine CoinDesk’s Nik De’s analysis CFTC Commissioner Summer Mersinger’s dissenting statement Jake Chervinsky’s opinion Ooki DAO’s options CFTC serving the members of the Ooki DAO via their forum Tim Copeland’s article on what’s next for DAOs A federal court ruled that the CFTC legally served Ooki DAO through a website help bot. The LeXpunK Army filed a motion for amicus status in the SEC case against bZx/Ooki DAO. Crypto group DeFi Education Fund argued that the CFTC should properly serve Ooki DAO’s actual members, not just the DAO at large.  Tornado Cash Treasury Press release  Previous coverage of the Tornado Cash sanctions on Unchained: Is TRM Labs Blocking Addresses From DeFi Protocols? Ari Redbord Says No  Tornado Cash Sanctioned. Did the Government Overstep Its Bounds? The Chopping Block: Did OFAC Overstep by Sanctioning Tornado Cash? Given the Sanctions on Tornado Cash, Is Ethereum Censorship Resistant? Preston Van Loon on Ethereum's Merge and His Lawsuit Against Treasury   Legislation Digital Commodities Consumer Protection Act of 2022 Europe’s MiCa bill Previous coverage of Unchained on legislation: Why Senator Pat Toomey Thinks SEC Chair Gary Gensler Is Wrong About Crypto Congressman Ro Khanna: How to Get More Democrats into Web3 Why the Crypto Industry Believes SEC Regulation by Enforcement Hurts US Consumers   SEC charges against Kim Kardashian The SEC fined reality TV star Kim Kardashian $1.26 million for promoting a crypto security without proper disclosure. Fortune article: The SEC’s Kardashian fine was a dumb publicity stunt   Stablecoins Stablecoin Draft Bill Bloomberg article: Senator Pat Toomey Still Sees Chance of Stablecoin Legislation This Year     Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kristin Smith

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Blockchain Association

The Blockchain Association recently launched a new political action committee (PAC) designed to build relationships with pro-crypto Congressional candidates. In this episode of The Scoop, the Blockchain Association’s Executive Director Kristin Smith shares the objectives of the new Blockchain Association PAC, and why she believes Congress is the appropriate authority to design a regulatory framework for the crypto industry. As Smith explains, the Blockchain Association PAC is intended to promote pro-crypto candidates: “For us, this PAC is really about building relationships… This isn't the type of PAC where we go and buy a bunch of airtime or print out a bunch of mailers and spend a few hundred thousand dollars or $1,000,000 in a single race.” While SEC Chair Gary Gensler recently remarked that multiple crypto regulators could undermine the SEC’s efforts, Smith believes the Congress is in the best position to effectuate change: “We need Congress to step in and help sort through these issues because they are the ones that can grant new authority and they're the ones that have the flexibility to design a regulatory system that matches the risks that we see in crypto.” Episode 94 of Season 4 of The Scoop was recorded at SALT New York 2022 on September 13 with The Block's Frank Chaparro, and Blockchain Association's Executive Director Kristin Smith. Listen below, and subscribe to The Scoop on Apple, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts. Email feedback and revision requests to podcast@theblockcrypto.com. This episode is brought to you by our sponsor Tron About Tron TRON is dedicated to accelerating the decentralization of the internet via blockchain technology and decentralized applications (dApps). Founded in September 2017 by H.E. Justin Sun, the TRON network has continued to deliver impressive achievements since MainNet launch in May 2018. July 2018 also marked the ecosystem integration of BitTorrent, a pioneer in decentralized Web3 services boasting over 100 million monthly active users. The TRON network completed full decentralization in December 2021 and is now a community-governed DAO. | TRONDAO | Twitter | Discord |

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Blockchain Association

In this episode of Empire, Jason and Santi are joined by Rebecca Rettig and Jake Chervinsky to discuss the state of crypto regulation. We explore what Tornado Cash sanctions mean for crypto, how to define decentralization, if tokens will be considered securities, Ethereum censorship, what to expect from future regulation and more! - - (00:00) Introduction (01:18) Tornado Cash Sanctions (16:09) Defining Decentralization (26:17) What Has Been Most Damaging to Crypto? (31:03) Do Regulators Understand the Nuances of Crypto? (37:35) What Regulations Should Be Prioritized Today? (39:27) A Focus on User Protection (46:17) Getting Congress on Our Side (59:45) The SEC's Attack on Crypto (Coinbase) (1:01:02) Uniswap Fee Switch Implications (1:08:17) ETH Validators & OFAC Compliance (1:19:27) Permissionless vs Permissioned DeFi - - Follow Rebecca: https://twitter.com/RebeccaRettig1 Follow Jake: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw - - Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

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On today's State of the Nation, it's time to bring back the crypto legal mind of Jake Chervinsky. With the recent OFAC sanctions against Tornado Cash and the cascading chilling effect, our digital rights are under attack. Have we seen the death of crypto privacy? What can we do to help advocate for digital justice? As always, Jake brings a thoughtful and measured approach to these crucial topics. ------  Chainlink | Register for SmartCon 2022 with promo code “BANKLESS” https://bankless.cc/smartcon  ------  SUBSCRIBE TO NEWSLETTER:          https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/    ️ SUBSCRIBE TO PODCAST:                 http://podcast.banklesshq.com/    ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS:   LENS | ACCESS CODE: VITALIK https://bankless.cc/Lens   ROCKET POOL | ETH STAKING https://bankless.cc/RocketPool  ️ ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum   BRAVE | THE BROWSER NATIVE WALLET https://bankless.cc/Brave   JUNO | BRIDGE FIAT TO LAYER 2 https://bankless.cc/Juno  ️ ZKSYNC | THE LAYER 2 SCALING ENDGAME https://bankless.cc/zkSync  ----- Resources: Jake Chervisnky: https://twitter.com/jchervinsky  Set Alex Free: https://setalexfree.nl/  ----- Not financial or tax advice. This channel is strictly educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any assets or to make any financial decisions. This video is not tax advice. Talk to your accountant. Do your own research. Disclosure. From time-to-time I may add links in this newsletter to products I use. I may receive commission if you make a purchase through one of these links. Additionally, the Bankless writers hold crypto assets. See our investment disclosures here: https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/p/bankless-disclosures

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This week on The Defiant Podcast we speak to Jake Chervinsky, the executive vice president and head of policy at Blockchain Association, a non-profit trade association representing the crypto industry in Washington DC. Jake is one of the most qualified to discuss the US Treasury Department sanctioning Tornado Cash, a development that’s caused shockwaves through crypto. Thanking our podcast sponsors: 1inch is a DEX aggregator that finds the best rates across multiple networks. Why use a single DEX when you can use them all? Find your best deal at 1inch. Pods stETHvv allows you to accumulate more ETH in only one click. Every time ETH price bounces, up or down, the vault earns more ETH. In this market it's not a matter of IF price will move, but WEN. ZenGo a crypto wallet that uses biometric encryption, 3FA authentication and MPC wallet cryptography instead of private keys.

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