CFTC

This week, CFTC Chair Michael Selig joins the show to discuss the CFTC's recent policy announcement on perps in the U.S. We deep dive into how to regulate crypto in the U.S, prediction markets, 24/7 markets, working with the SEC and more. Enjoy! -- Follow Michael: https://x.com/MichaelSelig Follow Rob: https://x.com/HadickM Follow Empire: https://x.com/theempirepod -- Robots will soon outnumber humans onchain. peaqOS turns them into a new trusted liquid asset class, with yield tied to real-world workloads. It gives robots all they need to do business on any chain — and lets humans earn from automation. Explore the Machine Economy: https://peaq.xyz -- Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (04:20) Working With The SEC (08:40) Bringing Perps To The U.S (19:03) peaq Ad (19:49) How To Regulate DeFi? (26:08) Becoming The Crypto Capital of The World (29:10) Prediction Markets (45:28) 24/7 Capital Markets (56:39) The Clarity Act (01:00:14) Final Thoughts -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, Rob and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Michael Selig

Chairman

Commodity Futures Trading CommissionCFTC

(0:00) Jason and Chamath welcome SEC's Paul Atkins and CFTC's Michael Selig (0:53) Atkins on how US markets have changed over his 40 year career (3:04) Top priorities across both agencies: Fixing the IPO drought, crypto regulation, cutting unnecessary rules (8:16) AI trading bots, autonomous hedge funds, and investing with leverage (15:30) Ending the "Turf War" between the SEC and CFTC, super app vision (19:15) Prediction markets, insider trading, gray area (26:56) Trump advocates for changing quarterly earnings to bi-annual (30:30) Changing the accreditation rules a priority for 2026 (34:56) HFT firms that dominate the futures markets, swap reporting (40:36) VC fund formation (46:18) US markets vs the world, crypto classification (52:54) Biggest risks: Market manipulation, crypto scams, and the Gen Z gambling crisis SEC Chair Paul Atkins: https://x.com/SECPaulSAtkins CFTC Chair Michael Selig: https://x.com/ChairmanSelig Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect

Paul Atkins

Chairman

U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission

Michael Selig

Chairman

Commodity Futures Trading CommissionCFTC

A conversation with new CFTC Chairman Mike Selig on the policy shift behind America’s push to become the crypto capital of the world. We cover the CFTC’s evolving role in crypto, prediction markets, and perpetuals, the end of regulation by enforcement, how the agency is thinking about DeFi and software developers, and why market structure legislation like the Clarity Act could reshape the future of U.S. crypto. ------ 🎬 DEBRIEF | RYAN & DAVID UNPACKING THE EPISODE https://www.bankless.com/podcast/debrief-making-america-the-crypto-capital-of-the-world ------ 🔮POLYMARKET | #1 PREDICTION MARKET https://bankless.cc/polymarket-podcast 🪐GALAXY | INSTITUTIONAL DIGITAL FINANCE https://bankless.cc/galaxy-podcast 🏅BITGET TRADFI | TRADE GOLD WITH USDT https://bankless.cc/bitget 🎯THE DEFI REPORT | ONCHAIN INSIGHTS https://thedefireport.io/bankless 🌍 WORLD | FULLY ONCHAIN EXCHANGE https://bankless.cc/world ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 0:33 Mike’s Background 4:25 Commodity Markets Transformation 7:31 Commodity Definition 10:56 The Role of the CFTC 11:56 Prediction Markets 17:48 Navigating New Markets 20:34 Are Prediction Markets CFTC Territory? 24:45 Insider Trading vs Information Advantage 28:25 Trump’s Conflict of Interests 29:21 Clarity Act 36:58 Project Crypto 39:37 Defining Intermediary 43:32 Exchanges vs L2s 45:50 No More Wells Notices 50:17 The New CFTC & SEC 54:51 Making America the Crypto Capital of the World 57:08 Best of the Clarity Act 59:04 Closing & Disclaimers ------ RESOURCES Mike Selig https://x.com/ChairmanSelig CFTC https://www.cftc.gov/ ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

Michael Selig

Chairman

Commodity Futures Trading CommissionCFTC

We are rapidly entering a world in which there are odds on virtually everything. During the recent Super Bowl, the big prediction market platforms didn't just offer bets on the game itself, but also on more exotic facets, such as the first song that Bad Bunny would sing, even who would join Bad Bunny in the performance. And while a lot of people thinks this looks like gambling, it's actually regulated by the CFTC, an agency created in the 1970s to regulate derivatives. On this episode, we speak with new CFTC Chairman Michael Selig, who was nominated by President Trump and took his position in December. We talk to him about his philosophy, and why it is that these new bets are regulated as financial instruments, rather than gambling products. We talk about the tension that emerges when 18-year-olds can place bets on sports via prediction markets, even though in many states have laws on sports gambling, either banning it outright, or requiring participants to be at least 21. We also talk about crypto regulation, and whether perpetual futures -- which have exploded in the crypto space -- could soon be coming to traditional markets. Read more:Jump Trading Poised to Gain Stakes in Kalshi and PolymarketGambling Stocks Sag as Prediction Markets Steal Super Bowl Bets Only http://Bloomberg.com subscribers can get the Odd Lots newsletter in their inbox each week, plus unlimited access to the site and app. Subscribe at bloomberg.com/subscriptions/oddlots Subscribe to the Odd Lots NewsletterJoin the conversation: discord.gg/oddlots See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Michael Selig

Chairman

Commodity Futures Trading CommissionCFTC

Thank you to our sponsor, Mantle! After months of anticipation, U.S. Senators have unveiled draft crypto market structure legislation. In this episode of DEX in the City, hosts Jessi Brooks, Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos and Vy Le are joined by Blockchain Association CEO and former CFTC Commissioner Summer Mersinger to unpack all the provisions that stand out. These include the bill's attempt to draw a line between centralized and decentralized platforms, the amended stance on stablecoin yield and exemptions for assets with ETFs. Would the bill “sweep up all of DeFi?” Has crypto lost the fight over stablecoin yield? And is Trump playing interference for crypto? Hosts: Jessi Brooks Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos TuongVy Le Guests: Summer Mersinger, CEO Blockchain Association Links: Tether Freezes $182 Million in USDT on Tron Senators Move to Curb Passive Stablecoin Yields in Market Structure Push How the Crypto Market Structure Law Would Expose that Trump’s WLFI Isn’t DeFi Jessi and Katherine's paper on programmable risk management Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summer Mersinger

CEO

Blockchain AssociationCFTC

Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle Walrus President Donald Trump's pick for chair, Mike Selig, has cleared the Senate Agriculture Committee just as lawmakers look set to hand over crypto oversight to the agency. In this episode, former CFTC Chair Chris Giancarlo joins Unchained Executive Editor Steven Ehrlich to unpack Selig's Senate hearing. Chris shares his experience working with Mike, why the CFTC should get more resources to handle crypto and crypto's unique commodity trading structure. He also touches on the challenges the agency could face regulating crypto, whether exchanges should be allowed to continue performing several functions under one umbrella, the timeline for CLARITY and the regulatory path ahead for prediction markets. Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: J. Christopher Giancarlo, Former Commissioner of the CTFC Links: Unchained: Prospective CFTC Chair Says It’s ‘Vitally Important to Have a Cop On The Beat’ in Crypto Senate Committee Shares Bipartisan Draft on Crypto Market Structure Bill The Chopping Block: When Wall Street Meets DeFi — How Equity Perps and RWAs Redefine Leverage On-Chain DEX in the City: Are Prediction Markets Gambling, and Who Should Regulate Them? Polymarket Quietly Relaunches in U.S. in Beta Mode: Report Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction  ⚡️1:41 Chris details his experience working with Mike Selig 🤔 6:34 Does the CFTC have enough resources to handle crypto? 📽 10:34 Crypto’s unique commodity trading structure 🧱 13:37 The challenges the CFTC could face with crypto's unique trading structure 🤔 15:15 Should crypto exchanges remain vertically integrated? 💡17:25 How DeFi should be regulated 🧏 20:46 Why Chris says crypto perps do not need new laws 🔮 24:49 Mike's confirmation timeline 💥 25:46 Why prediction markets are important 👀 27:57 Why Chris compares the regulatory trajectory of prediction markets to Uber 💡 28:57 What regulations could look like for prediction markets Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Giancarlo

Former Chairman

CFTCCommodity Futures Trading CommissionDigital Dollar Project

Crypto vs. Banks — the proxy war for the future of money is heating up. Summer Mersinger, CEO of the Blockchain Association and former CFTC Commissioner, joins Bankless to unpack the battle over the GENIUS Act, why banks are fighting to roll it back, and how stablecoins have become the frontline. From Elizabeth Warren’s fading influence to the $700M bank lobbying machine, we explore what’s really happening on Capitol Hill, the global stakes for stablecoins, and how upcoming U.S. policy could reshape innovation, regulation, and consumer freedom. --- 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24 https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium --- BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🪙FRAX | SELF SUFFICIENT DeFi https://bankless.cc/Frax 🦄UNISWAP | SWAP ON UNICHAIN https://bankless.cc/unichain 🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle 🎩DEGEN | JOIN THE COMMUNITY https://bankless.cc/degen 🌳KGEN | REQUEST A DEMO https://bankless.cc/KGEN-podcast 🏄 SURF | UPGRADE YOUR CRYPTO RESEARCH https://bankless.cc/surf --- TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 1:12 The GENIUS Act Victory 8:49 How Laws Really Get Made 16:17 The Bank Lobby vs. The Crypto Lobby 20:29 The Shifting Politics of Crypto 27:29 Will Banks Go Crypto? 33:10 International Dimension 37:14 CFTC, SEC, and Market Structure 52:26 DC Drama & Leadership Vacancies 55:42 Prediction Markets & Policy Battles 1:00:07 Looking Ahead to 2026 1:02:15 Closing Thoughts --- RESOURCES Summer Mersinger https://x.com/SKMersinger Blockchain Association https://x.com/BlockchainAssn --- Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures

Summer Mersinger

CEO

Blockchain AssociationCFTC

The election of Donald Trump marked a sea change for U.S. crypto policy. The symbolism of that transformation was on full display at the White House’s first-ever Crypto Summit, at which President Trump met with several crypto business leaders. But what was actually said behind closed doors? And does this mark the beginning of a truly pro-crypto shift—or just another short-lived political move? In this episode, BitGo CEO Mike Belshe and former CFTC Chairman Chris Giancarlo break down what really happened at the summit, whether the proposed Bitcoin reserve is a smart idea or a political gimmick, and why some believe the U.S. dollar could one day be backed by BTC. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Bitwise Guests: Mike Belshe, CEO at BitGo Chris Giancarlo, Senior counsel at Willkie Farr & Gallagher and former CFTC chairman Links Recent coverage of Unchained on the Bitcoin Reserve and the White House Crypto Summit : Trump Says He Is Ending Operation Choke Point 2.0 Trump Establishes Strategic Bitcoin Reserve and Digital Asset Stockpile Trump's Surprise Crypto Reserve Announcement Iced Out D.C. Insiders How Did Ripple Sell Trump on XRP in a Crypto Reserve? By Pushing for Solana Why Trump May Have Chosen This Week to Announce a Strategic Crypto Reserve Which Crypto Assets Belong in a Reserve? This VC Says Not XRP and ADA Chris’s article: Crypto neo-privateers could be the solution to hacks Nic Carter’s tweet on Trump’s crypto endeavours Omid Malekan’s analogy of the SBR with buying a shirt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Belshe

CEO

BitGo

Chris Giancarlo

Former Chairman

CFTCCommodity Futures Trading CommissionDigital Dollar Project

In this episode, we speak with CFTC Commissioner Summer Mersinger about the rapidly changing world of cryptocurrency regulation. Commissioner Mersinger provides a detailed look at the differences between the CFTC and SEC, their roles in overseeing digital assets, and how the regulatory landscape is evolving with DeFi and crypto markets. She discusses the CFTC’s recent dissent in the Uniswap case, the challenges of classifying assets as commodities or securities, and the implications of U.S. regulations on the global crypto industry.  Whether you're a crypto enthusiast, a DeFi developer, or just curious about how the U.S. government is approaching these new technologies, this episode offers invaluable insights into the future of crypto regulation. ------ 📣0x v2 | NEXT GEN PRICING ENGINE https://bankless.cc/0x   ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2   🗣️TOKU | CRYPTO EMPLOYMENT  https://bankless.cc/toku   ⚡️CARTESI | LINUX-POWERED ROLLUPS https://bankless.cc/CartesiGovernance   ⁠ 🦄UNISWAP | BROWSER EXTENSION https://bankless.cc/uniswap  ⚖️ ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM ⁠https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  ------ ✨ Mint the episode on Zora ✨ https://zora.co/collect/zora:0x0c294913a7596b427add7dcbd6d7bbfc7338d53f/72?referrer=0x077Fe9e96Aa9b20Bd36F1C6290f54F8717C5674E  ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 5:20 Commissioner Mersinger 8:20 CFTC vs. SEC Regulation Differences 9:44 Assets: Commodities vs. Securities 21:59 Consensus on Digital Assets as Commodities 26:03 CFTC vs. SEC Rivalry Dynamics 28:25 Bureaucracy a Feature or Bug? 29:34 Overregulation in Crypto: CFTC vs. SEC 36:15 Uniswap Case: CFTC Enforcement Action 47:41 The Regulatory Paradox of Decentralized Finance 1:00:09 CFTC Enforcement Decision-Making Process 1:02:02 Addressing Crypto Prediction markets in crypto 1:15:08  Engagement for Productive Crypto Future 1:19:52 Continuing engagement and conversation is essential 1:20:55 Closing & Disclaimers ------ RESOURCES Commissioner Summer Mersinger https://x.com/cftcmersinger  Commissioner Mersinger’s Dissent https://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/SpeechesTestimony/mersingerstatement090424   Uniswap Action  https://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/8961-24  ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures ⁠

Summer Mersinger

CEO

Blockchain AssociationCFTC

In this episode, Laura Shin speaks with former CFTC chairman Chris Giancarlo and former CFTC chief innovation officer Daniel Gorfine on the pressing need for the U.S. to safeguard the dollar. They explain why they believe the future of regulation is the government operating nodes on blockchains rather than regulating intermediaries, why even private USD stablecoins will want a USD central bank digital currency, and how China might export the technology behind the digital yuan—and its surveillance capabilities—to other countries. They also touch on how the upcoming U.S. elections could influence crypto policy, why stablecoins are more than just trading instruments, and what the U.S. must do to maintain its financial leadership. Show highlights: How governments should embrace blockchain technology to become better at its job, according to Chris How the financial system needs to change for the younger generations Whether the U.S. is losing ground in terms of innovation Why Daniel thinks stablecoins are much more than a trading instrument for crypto Why Daniel believes that the U.S. is making the regulation of stablecoins “far more complicated than it needs to be” How Singapore is already giving licenses to USD stablecoin issuers Whether the dollar should be trademarked to protect it How Tether has become one of the most profitable companies per employee in history without being under U.S. jurisdiction Who should be the next chair of the SEC and the need to regulate DeFi in order for it to become mainstream Why Daniel thinks that some of the criticism of the FIT21 bill “doesn’t hold water” Why Chris believes that China is lying about not intending to export the technology behind the digital yuan Whether algorithmic stablecoins should be banned, as proposed in the Lummis-Gillibrand bill Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com First Bits + Bips episode: Bits + Bips: Does Macroeconomics Point to a Potential Crypto Supercycle? Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot VaultCraft Guests: Chris Giancarlo, Former Chairman of the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission, author of CryptoDad Forbes: ‘Elizabeth Warren’s Anti-Crypto Wing Is A Shrinking Iceberg’, Says Former Top Regulator FoxBusiness Interview: Elizabeth Warren and others have declared war on cryptocurrency: Chris Giancarlo Op-ed in the FT Banking Risk & Regulation: Can CBDCs be made safe for democracy? Daniel Gorfine, Founder & CEO of boutique advisory firm Gattaca Horizons, former Chief Innovation Officer at the U.S. CFTC, and adjunct professor at the Georgetown University Law Center Opinion: Stablecoin and other digital assets are falsely framed as a choice between personal privacy and national security. We can have both. - MarketWatch Building digital infrastructure for the future of finance Links Stablecoins: Stablecoins Are Defense Tech by Morgan Beller  Unchained:  Opinion: Regulated Dollar Stablecoins Created by a Proposed New Senate Bill Would be Crypto’s Ultimate Trojan Horse  Tether's Record $4.5 Billion Q1 Profit Highlights Its Dominance of the Stablecoin Industry SAB 121 Unchained: President Biden Vetoes SAB121 Repeal FIT21 Unchained: FIT21 Bill Heads to The Senate: Should We Really Be Excited? Spot Ether ETFs Unchained: Analysts Up Odds of Spot Ether ETF to 75% as Prometheum Launches Product That Treats ETH as a Security Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Chris Giancarlo

Former Chairman

CFTCCommodity Futures Trading CommissionDigital Dollar Project

Daniel Gorfine

Co-Founder

Digital Dollar Project

Chris Giancarlo, aka CryptoDad, is the former chair of the CFTC, the governing body that oversees Commodity Futures Trading. He's now an advisor in crypto, a senior advisor at a law firm, and of course, a father. This conversation circles around many of the topics Chris covers in his new book, 'The Fight for the Future of Money.' We move through the specifics like the differences between Futures and Spot ETFs, but then we turn towards the big picture. What are American values? How do we instantiate them into our digital institutions? America has a remarkable history of saying 'yes,' and the stakes couldn't be higher as America decides whether to say yes to credibly neutral, decentralized protocols. ✨ EPISODE DEBRIEF ✨ https://shows.banklesshq.com/p/exclusive-debrief-the-fight-for-the  ------ 📣 DHARMA | From Dollars to DeFi in a Tap! https://bankless.cc/dharma  ------ 🚀 SUBSCRIBE TO NEWSLETTER: https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/  🎙️ SUBSCRIBE TO PODCAST: http://podcast.banklesshq.com/  ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 💰 GEMINI | FIAT & CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://bankless.cc/go-gemini  🔀 BALANCER | EXCHANGE & POOL ASSETS https://bankless.cc/balancer  👻 AAVE | LEND & BORROW ASSETS https://bankless.cc/aave  🦄 UNISWAP | DECENTRALIZED FUNDING http://bankless.cc/uniswap  ------ Topics Covered: 0:00 Intro 6:30 Chris Giancarlo 10:06 CryptoDad & BTC Futures 18:27 Facing Resistance 22:13 Fear & Regulation 28:02 Vindicated 31:55 Futures vs Spot ETFs 41:29 Liquidity & Price 47:00 ETH Futures 53:09 Trust in Money 58:00 Getting the Values Right 1:04:43 Will People Care? 1:10:31 The CFTC’s Approach 1:16:03 Encouraging Innovation 1:21:31 Regulatory Clarity 1:26:44 Free Markets & Free People 1:33:56 The Crypto Dad 1:37:37 Closing & Disclaimers ------ Resources: CryptoDad on Twitter: https://twitter.com/giancarloMKTS?s=20  The Fight for the Future of Money: https://www.chrisgiancarlo.org/book  ----- Not financial or tax advice. This channel is strictly educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any assets or to make any financial decisions. This video is not tax advice. Talk to your accountant. Do your own research. Disclosure. From time-to-time I may add links in this newsletter to products I use. I may receive commission if you make a purchase through one of these links. Additionally, the Bankless writers hold crypto assets. See our investment disclosures here: https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/p/bankless-disclosures

Chris Giancarlo

Former Chairman

CFTCCommodity Futures Trading CommissionDigital Dollar Project