The Apple vs. OpenAI legal showdown
Apple has filed a lawsuit against OpenAI, alleging the AI startup stole trade secrets. The iPhone maker claimed that former Apple employees were asked to bring proprietary hardware to job interviews with OpenAI, and that the company tricked manufacturers into sharing Apple design secrets.
Plus, New York state becomes the first to enact a data center moratorium, and Uber is lobbying to slow the roll of autonomous vehicles in Washington D.C. Marketplace’s Meghan McCarty Carino spoke with Paresh Dave, senior writer at Wired, to learn more.
Here’s what we talked about:
“The 6 wildest claims in Apple’s lawsuit against OpenAI” from The Verge
“OpenAI’s First Device Will Be Movable, Screenless Speaker Built as AI Companion” from Bloomberg
“New York becomes the first state to impose a data center moratorium” from Reuters
“Uber’s robotaxi lobbying effort puts it on a collision course with Waymo” from TechCrunch
“Robotaxi Riders Are Falling Asleep, Sparking Frantic 911 Calls” from Bloomberg
Snap's new smart glasses received mixed reactions — mainly on aesthetics
Meta responded to plummeting morale this week with a pledge to do better with company snacks. Plus, the new AI augmented reality smart glasses everyone's talking about, and not in a good way. But first, SpaceX is acquiring the AI coding startup Cursor a week after it's IPO took off like a rocket.
The company hit a $2.5 trillion valuation at one point, but has dropped since then. Marketplace’s Meghan McCarty Carino spoke with Paresh Dace, senior writer at Wired, to learn more.
AI bots are collecting debts — or at least trying to
If you have a debt, you may get a call, a letter or a text prodding you to pay it back. Now, that call could come from an AI agent.
The AI debt collection market is expected to reach $16 billion by 2034, according to the Kaplan Group. Kate Nibbs of Wired has been reporting on this and said these bots are not as effective at getting people to pay back the money they owe.
The great AI race to Wall Street
This week, rideshare drivers in Massachusetts unionize; plus, Robinhood lets AI agents trade on behalf its customers.
But first, there’ve been hints for a while that Anthropic, OpenAI and SpaceX are planning to go public in the near future. Last week, SpaceX filed its initial public offering prospectus, also known as an S1, which is meant to help investors understand the company’s business model, including the risks it faces. Marketplace’s Stephanie Hughes spoke with Paresh Dave, senior writer at WIRED, to learn more.
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Everything we talked about today:
“Tech titans prepare for blockbuster IPOs in new front of AI race” from The Hill
“SpaceX Listed Grok’s ‘Spicy’ Mode as a Risk in Its IPO Filing” from Wired
“Your AI agent can now trade for you on Robinhood. And buy stuff with your credit card too” from CNBC
“Rideshare drivers union in Mass. says it's the 1st to be recognized in the U.S.” NBC Boston
Elon Musk is in court arguing that OpenAI abandoned its nonprofit model
Back in 2015, Elon Musk and Sam Altman got the idea to start a nonprofit AI lab to develop artificial general intelligence that benefits all humanity. The lab would also make its technology open source, calling it OpenAI.
All that is according to a complaint filed by Elon Musk, who has since parted ways with the organization. And now he is suing OpenAI, its CEO Sam Altman and its president Greg Brockman, saying they have abandoned the founding principles of the organization in pursuit of profits.
They are currently facing off in federal court in the Northern District of California. Paresh Dave at Wired has been in the courtroom. He explains more on what the core of Musk's case is.
598: 8TB of Space in a Trash Can
Stephen and Myke take on Nilay Patel and David Pierce about the top 50 Apple products and then dream of going to the moon.
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Bytes: Week in Review - SpaceX's IPO, Iran threatens U.S. tech firms and California's new AI executive order
On this week’s “Marketplace Tech Bytes: Week in Review,” Big Tech operations in the Middle East from companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft could be targeted by Iran. And California Governor Gavin Newsom issued a new AI executive order with a not-so-thinly veiled message to the Trump administration. But first, Elon Musk's rocket company SpaceX reportedly took a first step towards a highly anticipated initial public offering this week. The company made a confidential filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission that potentially puts it on track to go public at a more than $2 trillion valuation in June. Marketplace’s Meghan McCarty Carino spoke with Paresh Dave, senior writer at WIRED, to learn more.
How the World Got Owned Episode 2: The 1990s, Part One
In this special documentary episode, Patrick Gray and Amberleigh Jack take a look back at hacking throughout the 1990s, from the feel-good vibes of the early hacking communities to the antics of young hackers who wound up on the run from the FBI.
Part one features recollections from:
Jeff Moss (The Dark Tangent), DefCon and Black Hat founder
Chris Wysopal (Weld Pond), L0pht member, co-founder, @Stake
Kevin Poulsen (Dark Dante), 1990s hacker turned journalist
Elias Levy (Aleph One), author of Smashing the Stack for Fun and Profit, Phrack, 1996
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Elias Levy (Aleph1), Former Principle Engineer, Google
Kevin Poulsen, Journalist
Jeff Moss, DefCon founder
Chris Wysopal, @Stake founder, L0pht member
Hackers testifying at the United States Senate, May 19, 1998
Hackers May ‘Net’ Good PR for Studio
DefCon Archives | DefCon 1
A Not So Terribly Brief History of the Electronic Frontier Foundation
Innocent Hackers Want Their Computers Back
Breakdowns in Computer Security
Unsolved Mysteries, Season 3, Episode 4
The Last Hacker: He Called Himself Dark Dante. His Compulsion Led Him to Secret Files and, Eventually, The Bar of Justice
Justia appeal summary, Kevin Poulsen, 1994
Smashing the Stack for Fun and Profit, Phrack Magazine, November 1996
From subversives to CEOs: How radical hackers built today’s cybersecurity industry
Bytes: Week in Review — Prediction markets reel amid Iran conflict, defense contractors to drop Anthropic, and Meta's AI deal with News Corp
Meta and News Corp reached a licensing deal this week. Plus, defense contractors untangle Claude from their workflows.
But first, the online prediction marketplace Kalshi lets users bet on the outcome of many things that can happen in the future. One bet that saw a lot of action was whether Ali Khamenei would be ousted as the supreme leader in Iran. Khamenei was killed over the weekend during a U.S. military strike.
Kalshi didn’t pay out the bets that were placed after Khamenei’s death. Instead, it reimbursed those traders. And this outraged some users on the site. Marketplace’s Stephanie Hughes spoke with Paresh Dave, senior writer at Wired, about all these headlines from the week in tech.
Bytes: Week in Review - Anthropic and the Pentagon face off, OpenAI teams up with consulting firms and Mac Mini moves to the U.S.
This week, OpenAI turns to consultants to get more companies to integrate AI coworkers.
Plus, Apple will be making its Mac Mini in Texas.
But first, U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth met with Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei this week, reportedly asking for unfettered access to the company’s AI model. If not, Hegseth has threatened to cancel a $200 million dollar contract the Pentagon has with the company. This comes after Anthropic's AI model Claude was reportedly used as part of the operation to capture former Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro.
Anthropic has said it doesn't want its technology used to develop weapons or for mass surveillance of Americans.
Marketplace’s Stephanie Hughes spoke with Axios tech policy reporter Maria Curi to learn more on this week’s “Tech Bytes: Week in Review.”
Bytes: Week in Review - SpaceX and xAI merge, Nvidia and OpenAI's funding relationship and U.S. TikTok's rough start
On this week’s “Marketplace Tech Bytes: Week in Review,” we take a look at Nvidia's changing investment relationship with OpenAI. Plus, a stormy start for the new U.S. version of TikTok. But first, SpaceX, one of the world’s largest rocket companies, announced this week that it’s buying xAI, a two-and-half-year-old artificial intelligence startup. Both companies are controlled by Elon Musk. The new company is reportedly valued at $1.25 trillion. It means the chatbot Grok, the satellite internet company Starlink, and the social media firm X are all going to co-exist under the same rocket hangar. Marketplace’s Stephanie Hughes spoke with Paresh Dave, senior writer at Wired, about what adding these companies together equals.
Tech Skepticism, AI and Why China's Innovations Matter - w/ Wired’s Katie Drummond
Oz is at the Web Summit in Qatar this week, and he’s taking you with him. This episode was recorded live on stage with Wired’s global editorial director Katie Drummond. Katie and Oz talk about what it’s like to cover this moment, from DOGE and tech titans in the White House to AI’s rapid ubiquity. Katie also shares why Americans need to wake up to what is happening outside the US to discover the future of technology.
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Bytes: Week in Review - SpaceX eyes an IPO, community members want legal commitments from Micron, and YouTube to ditch AI slop
A Micron memory chip factory in upstate New York is wrangling with local groups who want legal assurances the project will benefit the local community. Plus, YouTube plans to crack down on AI slop.
But first, it's shaping up to be a big year for very big initial public offerings. Elon Musk is reportedly preparing to take SpaceX public at an anticipated valuation of around $1.5 trillion. AI companies Anthropic and OpenAI are also expected to follow suit this year.
Marketplace’s Meghan McCarty Carino spoke with Paresh Dave, senior writer at Wired, to discuss all these topics on this week’s “Marketplace Tech Bytes: Week in Review.”
TechStuff Redux: Inside a Couples Retreat for AI Companions
Could you resist falling for an AI companion? We’re revisiting one of our favorite episodes of 2025: author and journalist Sam Apple takes us on romantic getaway for people who are in love with their AI companions He wrote a piece for Wired about what he observed that weekend, whether the love between humans and AI is real, and what the future of dating could look like in a world with AI companions.
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The geek's guide to running faster
It's a holiday week for many of us, which means a lot of Turkey Trots and a lot of TV. We have something for both in this episode! First, Nick Thompson, the CEO of The Atlantic and author of the new book, The Running Ground, joins the show to talk about his lifelong journey as a runner, and all the tech — from smartwatch to shoes to custom GPTs — he uses in training. After that, The Verge's John Higgins makes his first Vergecast appearance to help us understand how motion smoothing works, why you should turn it off, and all the other ways you can improve your TV watching experience this holiday season. Finally, David follows up on a question on the Vergecast Hotline (call 866-VERGE11 or email vergecast@theverge.com!) with some recommendations on inexpensive earbuds worth cranking up the volume on.
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Nick Thompson's book, The Running Ground
From The Atlantic: Why I Run
TV manufacturers unite to tackle the scourge of motion smoothing
Dear Roku, you ruined my TV
How to turn off motion smoothing on your high-definition TV
Samsung’s Frame TV is finally getting the knockoffs it deserves
Samsung announces The Frame Pro: could this be the perfect TV?
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Bytes: Week in Review — Meta wins antitrust case
The holiday shopping season is here, and AI companies are pushing new chatbot retail partnerships. But, can these tools deliver on their promises to make shopping easier? Plus, the return of Vine, the beloved video app known for its ultra-short absurdist memes.
But first, Meta is not a monopoly, according to a federal judge’s ruling this week in the longstanding antitrust case against the social media giant, which claimed Meta had stifled competition by buying Instagram and WhatsApp.
Marketplace’s Meghan McCarty Carino spoke with Paresh Dave, senior writer at Wired, to discuss all of the above on this week’s “Marketplace Tech Bytes: Week in Review.”
Kevin Kelly - Be Generous and Unique - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]
Welcome to this classic episode. Classics are my favorite episodes from the past 10 years, published once a month. These are N of 1 conversations with N of 1 people. Kevin Kelly co-founded Wired magazine and has published a number of seminal books and essays on technology over the past three decades. I have devoured everything Kevin has put out into the world and many of his ideas shape the way I live today.
Our conversation explores media, family, money, his concept of the Technium, AI, and more but the central theme of this episode is that we should be as generous and unique as possible. You will hear us refer to his latest book, Excellent Advice for Living, throughout and I highly recommend reading it if you haven’t already. Please enjoy this great conversation with Kevin Kelly.
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(00:03:05) Excellent Advice for Living - a journey towards authenticity
(00:05:05) Uncovering the essence of oneself is a lifelong journey of self-reflection
(00:06:47) What he would have done differently at 30 had he internalized this concept earlier
(00:08:51) The highest form of self-expression is being authentically unique and redefining success
(00:11:05) Conforming to others' definition of success and societal biases hinders progress
(00:13:07) Surrender and collaboration are both essential in becoming your authentic self
(00:14:38) Prototype your life to embrace imperfections and make ideas tangible
(00:17:34) Mastering cultural photography in Asia and developing a keen ability to spot trends
(00:19:59) Energy signatures reveal depth, breadth, discovery, and momentum in events
(00:22:02) The reward for good work is more work
(00:23:42) Money is a tool for doing things, but beware its imprisoning burden
(00:28:35) Imagination can be cultivated and improved, often by challenging expectations
(00:31:38) Imaginative individuals include lateral thinkers who challenge norms
(00:34:41) Rites of passage and rituals provide stability and identity for children
(00:38:15) Mealtime without screens, family traditions, and cultivating a family identity
(00:41:44) An overview of “The three gates”
(00:43:02) Humans are naturally kind
(00:47:23) The Technium: an evolving ecosystem of interdependent tech and their tendencies
(00:52:01) Thoughts on AI
(00:55:55) Overestimating the existential threat of AI
(00:57:38) Idiosyncratic expression of creators
(00:59:48) Lessons learned about media
(01:01:34) Be the only, not the best.
(01:05:09) The kindest thing anyone has ever done for Kevin
172: David Pierce – State of the Workflow
Myke talks to The Verge’s David Pierce about the workflow behind his Humane AI Pin review, how he collaborates to make podcasts like The Vergecast, and how his Installer newsletter helps him highlight the positive side of the internet each week.
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The Story: Inside a Couples Retreat for AI Companions
This week we go on a romantic getaway for people who are in love with AI. Karah talks with Sam Apple, an author and journalist who wrote an article for Wired about a couples retreat he organized for people with AI companions. We’ll discuss how the weekend unfolded, whether AI romance is real, what it takes to develop genuine emotional connections with chatbots, and whether AI romance is the future of dating in the digital age.
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Journalists or Creators? How Media Entrepreneurs Are Reshaping News
Legacy media isn’t dead, but journalists are leaving traditional outlets in swarms to launch their own newsletters, podcasts and social media ventures, and they may be forcing a reboot. As one of the early media entrepreneurs (and a trusted advisor to many of those who aspire to follow in her footsteps), Kara sits down to discuss the current landscape with Oliver Darcy, founder of the “must-read” media newsletter “Status”; Katie Drummond, Wired’s global editorial director; and Dave Jorgenson, The Washington Post's former “TikTok Guy”, who has recently launched his own site, Local News International. In a freewheeling conversation, they unpack the challenges of audience capture, the looming shadow of AI, and the surprising (financial) realities of being an independent journalist.
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Musk and DOGE: Inside 100 days of chaos, with WIRED’s Global Editorial Director Katie Drummond
When Elon Musk stepped into the White House spotlight and brought his DOGE chainsaw, no one was better poised to cover the fallout than WIRED. The tech journalism outlet knew Musk’s playbook from the get-go, from years of covering his companies and his takeover of Twitter. WIRED’s Global Editorial Director Katie Drummond joins Rapid Response to take us inside Musk’s transformative, head-spinning time at President Trump’s side thus far. Drummond weighs the lasting impact of DOGE’s efforts 100 days in, and says that even as Musk announces plans to step back from politics, we can still expect plenty more to come.
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790: Wandering Around The Verge, with David Pierce
David Pierce is Editor-at-Large at The Verge. This week, he talks with Stephen and David about the hardware and software he relies on for work, the overall state of Apple in 2025, and his complicated feelings about his new SodaStream.
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Daring Fireball: Something Is Rotten in the State of Cupertino
Daring Fireball: Gurman: Tim Cook Has Put Mike Rockwell in Charge of Siri, Reporting to Craig Federighi
Apple's Hidden AI Prompts Discovered in macOS Beta - MacRumors
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DOGE’s Chaos Strategy, X’s New Valuation, and Guest Co-Host Katie Drummond
Kara is joined by guest co-host Katie Drummond of WIRED! They talk all things DOGE: Is Elon Musk not in charge? How much have cuts actually saved so far? Is Steve Bannon a fan? Plus, X is in talks to raise money at a valuation of $44 billion, which is the same amount Elon Musk bought it for.
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#782: Legendary Inventor Danny Hillis (Plus Kevin Kelly) — Unorthodox Lessons from 400+ Patents, Solving the Impossible, Real Al vs. “AI”, Hiring Richard Feynman, Working with Steve Jobs, Creating Parallel Computing, and Much More
Danny Hillis is an inventor, scientist, author, and engineer. While completing his doctorate at MIT, he pioneered the parallel computers that are the basis for the processors used for AI and most high-performance computer chips. He is now a founding partner with Applied Invention, working on new ideas in cybersecurity, medicine, and agriculture.
Kevin Kelly is the founding executive editor of WIRED magazine, the former editor and publisher of the Whole Earth Review, and a bestselling author of books on technology and culture, including Excellent Advice for Living. Subscribe to Kevin’s newsletter, Recomendo, at recomendo.com.
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Timestamps:
[00:00] Who are Danny Hillis and Kevin Kelly?
[07:56] How Danny and Kevin first met through Stewart Brand.
[09:58] The funniest person who ever opened Danny’s interview box of unusual objects.
[14:01] Danny’s transition to Disney as a Disney Fellow and Vice President of Imagineering.
[19:12] The contrast between engineering and artistic approaches to problem-solving.
[28:56] The development of parallel computing and founding Thinking Machines.
[37:15] The three criteria by which projects are chosen at Applied Invention.
[40:36] Zero-trust packet routing (ZPR) and the future of cybersecurity.
[46:46] Learning by “hanging out” with experts like Seymour Papert, Marvin Minsky, and Richard Feynman.
[59:20] Danny’s work in biotechnology and cancer research with David Agus.
[01:07:44] Staying sustainable with systems-oriented thinking in agriculture — as nature intended.
[01:16:10] Danny’s superpower.
[01:17:48] Homeschooling, education on the move, and the influence of Mrs. Wilner.
[01:22:00] The failure of Thinking Machines and other regrets/surprises.
[01:26:00] The “Entanglement” that blurs natural and technological boundaries.
[01:30:54] The current state of AI versus true intelligence.
[01:34:34] How AI may help humanity better understand its place on the intelligence spectrum.
[01:39:42] What the future looks like to a short-term pessimist/long-term optimist.
[01:50:50] The cone of silence we never heard from again.
[01:53:10] Debugging dementia and other diseases.
[01:58:05] The MRI alternative Danny’s tackling.
[02:00:51] We don’t we have a freezer version of the consumer microwave oven?
[02:01:23] Danny’s place in pinch-to-zoom iPhone innovation history.
[02:04:51] The pros and cons of patents for inventors and society.
[02:08:01] Inventors Danny finds inspiring.
[02:10:04] Danny’s cause-and-effect heresy.
[02:14:47] Quantum computing and its implications.
[02:18:34] The scientific pursuit of understanding consciousness.
[02:23:00] The question Danny asks himself before investing time in a project.
[02:25:26] Danny’s 10,000-year billboard.
[02:29:49] Parting thoughts.
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Productivity Apps and Apple Invites!
While Marques is on the other side of the world competing in the World Ultimate Championships, Andrew and David talk about the latest iPhone rumors and discuss what they're expecting from the September iPhone event. Or at least, that's how this episode starts before we surprise Andrew by bringing back David Pierce for an update on how Andrew's productivity app journey has been going! After that, it's gadget time and we talk about the new Garmin Fenix 8 and a pair of truly open-back headphones before we wrap it all up with trivia. Enjoy!
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#753: Derek Sivers and Kevin Kelly
This episode is a two-for-one, and that’s because the podcast recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion downloads. To celebrate, I’ve curated some of the best of the best—some of my favorites—from more than 700 episodes over the last decade. I could not be more excited. The episode features segments from episode "Derek Sivers on Developing Confidence, Finding Happiness, and Saying No to Millions" and "Interview of Kevin Kelly, Co-Founder of WIRED, Polymath, Most Interesting Man In The World?"
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Timestamps:
[00:00] Start
[05:47] Notes about this supercombo format.
[06:50] Enter Derek Sivers.
[07:20] From pig show busker to circus ringleader.
[10:42] Derek's framework for developing confidence.
[13:05] "The standard pace is for chumps."
[18:51] Relaxing for the same result.
[24:01] The origins of "HELL YEAH! or no."
[26:25] "Busy" implies a life out of control.
[28:03] What inspired the automation of CD Baby?
[33:22] Derek's billboard.
[34:32] Good advice at any age: "Don't be a donkey."
[40:24] Enter Kevin Kelly.
[41:02] Kevin's biggest regret.
[43:13] Finding contentment in minimalism and "voluntary simplicity" without starving to death.
[50:33] Kevin's epiphany when he embraced writing as a late bloomer.
[56:40] Why Kevin promised himself he would never resort to teaching English while traveling abroad.
[59:07] Finding purpose through resilience and the creator's dilemma.
[1:06:50] Why the appeal of being a billionaire is overrated.
[1:11:05] Middle-aged optimization.
[1:15:28] Realizations following a "six months until death" challenge.
[1:20:08] Kevin's Kickstarter-funded project linking angels and robots.
[1:22:41] Why a self-proclaimed ex-hippie waited until his 50th birthday to try LSD for the first time.
[1:28:43] Why a population implosion is probable in the next 100 years.
[1:36:05] The greatest gift you can give to your child.
[1:38:21] The criteria for Amish technology assimilation.
[1:45:03] What technology-free sabbaticals can do for you.
[1:48:53] Long Now Foundation's vision of a better civilization.
[1:53:33] The graphic novel teaching young people how to become indispensable.
[1:54:52] An antidote to misguided "follow your passion" advice.
[1:56:44] Kevin's favorite fiction book.
[1:59:15] The resource Kevin compiled for documentary lovers.
[2:02:47] A name Kevin considers synonymous with "success" (and why success is overrated).
[2:05:46] What Kevin would change about himself.
[2:07:59] Daily rituals.
[2:10:44] How Kevin accumulated enough books to fill a two-story library.
[2:15:19] How Adam Savage from MythBusters transformed Kevin's method of organization.
[2:17:14] The project everyone should undertake at least once in life.
[2:19:30] Does discovery equal invention?
[2:20:12] Kevin's advice to his younger self.
[2:23:16] Parting thoughts.
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Kevin Kelly - Be Generous and Unique - [Invest Like the Best, EP.334]
My guest today is Kevin Kelly. Kevin co-founded Wired magazine and has published a number of seminal books and essays on technology over the past three decades. I have devoured everything Kevin has put out into the world and many of his ideas shape the way I live today. Our conversation explores media, family, money, his concept of the Technium, AI, and more but the central theme of this episode is that we should be as generous and unique as possible. You will hear us refer to his latest book, Excellent Advice for Living, throughout and I highly recommend reading it if you haven’t already. Please enjoy this great conversation with Kevin Kelly.
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Show Notes
(00:03:05) - (First question) - Excellent Advice for Living - a journey towards authenticity
(00:05:05) - Uncovering the essence of oneself is a lifelong journey of self-reflection
(00:06:47) - What he would have done differently at 30 had he internalized this concept earlier
(00:08:51) - The highest form of self-expression is being authentically unique and redefining success
(00:11:05) - Conforming to others' definition of success and societal biases hinders progress
(00:13:07) - Surrender and collaboration are both essential in becoming your authentic self
(00:14:38) - Prototype your life to embrace imperfections and make ideas tangible
(00:17:34) - Mastering cultural photography in Asia and developing a keen ability to spot trends
(00:19:59) - Energy signatures reveal depth, breadth, discovery, and momentum in events
(00:22:02) - The reward for good work is more work
(00:23:42) - Money is a tool for doing things, but beware its imprisoning burden
(00:28:35) - Imagination can be cultivated and improved, often by challenging expectations
(00:31:38) - Imaginative individuals include lateral thinkers who challenge norms
(00:34:41) - Rites of passage and rituals provide stability and identity for children
(00:38:15) - Mealtime without screens, family traditions, and cultivating a family identity
(00:41:44) - An overview of “The three gates”
(00:43:02) - Humans are naturally kind
(00:47:23) - The Technium: an evolving ecosystem of interdependent tech and their tendencies
(00:52:01) - Thoughts on AI
(00:55:55) - Overestimating the existential threat of AI
(00:57:38) - Idiosyncratic expression of creators
(00:59:48) - Lessons learned about media
(01:01:34) - Be the only, not the best.
(01:05:09) - The kindest thing anyone has ever done for him
#677: HERESIES — Exploring Animal Communication, Cloning Humans, The Dangers of The American Dream, and More
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Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show. I'm very excited to publish this episode. This is an experimental format, and we are calling it HERESIES.
The objective of this format is to encourage and celebrate independent thinking.
Please enjoy!
Bios of the co-hosts and guests:
Kevin Kelly (@kevin2kelly) helped launch and edit Wired magazine. He has written for The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal, among many other publications. You can find my most recent interview with him at tim.blog/kevinkelly.
He is the author of the new book Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier. Other books by Kevin Kelly include Out of Control, the 1994 classic book on decentralized emergent systems; The Silver Cord, a graphic novel about robots and angels; What Technology Wants, a robust theory of technology; Vanishing Asia, his 50-year project to photograph the disappearing cultures of Asia, and The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future, a New York Times bestseller.
Kevin is currently co-chair of The Long Now Foundation, which is building a clock in a mountain that will tick for 10,000 years. He also has a daily blog; a weekly podcast about cool tools; and a weekly newsletter, Recomendo, which is a free, one-page list of six very brief recommendations of cool stuff. He is also a Senior Maverick at Wired. He lives in Pacifica, California.
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Noah Feldman (@NoahRFeldman) is a Harvard professor, ethical philosopher and advisor, public intellectual, religious scholar and historian, and author of 10 books, including his latest, The Broken Constitution: Lincoln, Slavery, and the Refounding of America. You can find my interview with him at tim.blog/noah.
Noah is the founder of Ethical Compass, which helps clients like Facebook and eBay improve ethical decision-making by creating and implementing new governance solutions. Noah conceived and designed the Facebook Oversight Board and continues to advise Facebook on ethics and governance issues.
Noah is host of the Deep Background podcast, a policy and public affairs columnist for Bloomberg Opinion, and a former contributing writer for The New York Times. He served as senior constitutional advisor to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and subsequently advised members of the Iraqi Governing Council on the drafting of Iraq’s interim constitution.
He earned his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard, finishing first in his class. Selected as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned a DPhil from Oxford University, writing his dissertation on Aristotle’s Ethics. He received his J.D. from Yale Law School and clerked for Justice David Souter of the U.S. Supreme Court.
He is the author of 10 books, including Divided by God: America’s Church-State Problem—and What We Should Do About It; What We Owe Iraq: War and the Ethics of Nation Building; Cool War: The United States, China, and the Future of Global Competition; Scorpions: The Battles and Triumphs of FDR’s Great Supreme Court Justices; and The Three Lives of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President.
His upcoming book is Bad Jew: A Perplexed Guide to God, Israel, and the Jewish People, which is currently available for pre-order.
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Maggie Spivey-Faulkner is an anthropological archaeologist and practitioner of Indigenous archaeology, currently working as an assistant professor in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Alberta. She also serves as an assistant chief of the Upper Georgia tribal town of the Pee Dee Indian Nation of Beaver Creek, a state-recognized Native American group in South Carolina. Her work focuses on using anthropological data to upend harmful misconceptions of Native American peoples embedded in public policy, science, and the public consciousness.
Maggie was raised in a tight-knit extended family in rural Hephzibah, Georgia. She is an international fellow of The Explorers Club, a former junior fellow of the Harvard Society of Fellows, and a recipient of the National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellowship. She received her Ph.D. in anthropology from Washington University in St. Louis in 2018 and her A.B. from Harvard College in 2008.
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Joshua L. Steiner is a partner at SSW, a private investment firm, and a senior adviser at Bloomberg, L.P., where he was previously Head of Industry Verticals. Prior to joining Bloomberg, Steiner co-founded and was co-president of Quadrangle Group, LLC, a private equity and asset management firm. Before co-founding Quadrangle, he was a managing director at Lazard. From 1993 to 1995 he served as chief of staff for the U.S. Department of the Treasury.
He serves on the boards of Yale University, the International Rescue Committee, and the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. Steiner received a B.A. in history from Yale and an M.St. in modern history from Oxford University.
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[11:34] Defining “heresy.”
[14:22] Josh’s heresy: We need to teach listening over talking.
[32:48] Noah’s heresy: Constitutions are overrated.
[55:01] Maggie’s heresy: American middle-class culture is ruining everything.
[1:14:54] Tim’s heresy: We’re on the cusp of meaningfully communicating with animals.
[1:35:23] Kevin’s heresy: Human cloning is OK.
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22 Habits To Follow For A Happy Life - Kevin Kelly - #638
Kevin Kelly is the founder of Wired Magazine, a futurist, author, and public speaker known for his insights on technology’s impact on society.
Working out how to live a good life is complex. However, having rules from someone much older and wiser than you can make this a lot easier. Kevin has condensed a lifetime of insights into a few hundred sentences in his new book, and today we get to go through some of my favourites.
Expect to learn why you should do everything you can to avoid being a billionaire, how to have a more optimistic outlook on life, whether you can trust websites with the word ‘truth’ in them, why you are more likely to be defeated by blisters rather than mountains, how to understand yourself better, the best way to turn bad days into good ones, why what irritates you in other people is a lesson about you and much more...
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(00:20) Why Should We Be Optimistic About the World?
(05:05) ‘Don’t Be the Best, Be the Only’
(11:48) Dealing with Bad Days is the Secret to Moving Forward
(15:09) How Your Weirdness Will Bring You Success
(18:34) A Great Way to Understand Yourself
(21:35) Why You Should Ignore Websites That Have ‘Truth’ in the URL
(24:22) Ask Stupid Questions
(30:56) How to Prototype Your Life
(39:20) ‘Pain is Inevitable, Suffering is Optional’
(41:04) How to Reason with People Better
(44:53) What’s Really Behind Conspiracy Theories
(47:51) Importance of Attending to the Small Things
(49:04) What Kevin Learned About Leadership from Steve Jobs
(52:16) Celebrate the Present
(55:24) Why You Can Never Be Too Kind
(01:00:00) Where to Find Kevin
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