Recorded in front of a live audience at The California Theatre in San Jose on Tuesday 9 June 2026, special guests Joanna Stern and Nilay Patel join John Gruber to discuss Apple’s announcements at WWDC 2026.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
Apple’s WWDC keynote and State of the Union videos.
New Things — Joanna’s new thing.
Joanna’s first take on Apple’s announcements.
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This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Kara is joined by FCC Commissioner Anna Gomez, Knight First Amendment Institute executive director Jameel Jaffer, and The Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss FCC Chairman Brendan Carr’s escalating campaign against media companies, broadcasters and speech President Trump dislikes.
They discuss Carr’s threats against ABC/Disney, his attempts to revive old rules around “equal time” and “news distortion,” and the Trump administration's broader push to control federal agencies. They also explain how Carr's actions create a chilling effect on free speech, and why media companies must fight back. Plus: Why Nilay says Carr's actions towards broadcasters are a "test balloon" for future internet regulation.
Questions? Comments? Email us at on@voxmedia.com or find us on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Threads, and Bluesky @onwithkaraswisher.
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Stephen and Myke take on Nilay Patel and David Pierce about the top 50 Apple products and then dream of going to the moon.
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Recorded in front of a live audience at The California Theatre in San Jose Tuesday evening, special guests Joanna Stern and Nilay Patel join me to discuss Apple’s announcements at WWDC 2025.
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Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good.
Links:
WWDC 2025 Keynote.
Joanna’s full 24-minute interview with Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak this week.
The Verge: 28-minute supercut of the WWDC 2025 keynote and their take on the 13 biggest announcements.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Elon Musk’s social media platform X lost more than 280,000 global users the day after the US presidential election. Meanwhile, sites like Threads from Meta and newcomer Bluesky have seen huge surges in signups. Kara talks to a team of social media experts about the “X-odus”; who is migrating to Threads and Bluesky and why; how those federated protocols (or “fediverse”) differ from X’s algorithmic platform; and if the social media “town square” giving way to a more fragmented communities is a good or bad thing.
Guests: Nilay Patel, Editor-in-chief of The Verge and Host of Decoder; New York Times Tech Correspondent Mike Isaac; Wall Street Journal Tech Reporter Alexa Corse.
Questions? Comments? Email us at on@voxmedia.com or find us on Instagram and TikTok @onwithkaraswisher
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This week, President-elect Donald Trump picked Brendan Carr to be the next chairman of the F.C.C. We talk with The Verge’s editor in chief, Nilay Patel, about what this could mean for the future of the internet, and for free speech at large. Then, a new study found that ChatGPT defeated doctors at diagnosing some diseases. One of the study’s authors, Dr. Adam Rodman, joins us to discuss the future of medicine. And finally, court is back in session. It’s time for the Hard Fork Crimes Division.
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Nilay Patel, co-founder of The Verge and host of the podcasts Decoder and The Vergecast.
Adam Rodman, internal medicine physician at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and one of the co-authors of a recent study testing the effectiveness of ChatGPT to diagnose illnesses.
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Trump Picks Brendan Carr to Lead F.C.C.
A.I. Chatbots Defeated Doctors at Diagnosing Illness
Gary Wang, a Top FTX Executive, Is Given No Prison Time
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Nilay Patel returns to the show to consider the iPhones 16.
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Nilay’s review of the iPhone 16 Pro.
Also from Nilay: “Let’s Compare Apple, Google, and Samsung’s Definitions of ‘a Photo’”.
Yours Truly’s iPhones 16 review.
Also from truly: “The Things They Carried” (thoughts and observations on Apple’s event).
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Kara got a sneak peek of the Apple Vision Pro, and sat down before the official launch with tech reporters Joanna Stern, Nilay Patel and Mark Gurman to discuss why it took so long for Apple to get into the world of "spatial computing" headsets, who will buy it at a steep $3500 price tag, and what Steve Jobs might make of this new device. Note: This episode was taped on Wednesday, January 31st.
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Nilay Patel returns to the show. Topics include the iPhones 15, journalism in the age of AI, and what it’s like to have Barack Obama on your podcast.
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Barack Fucking Obama on Decoder.
Matthew Panzarino on Decoder.
Sports Illustrated’s phony AI writers.
Horace Dediu back in 2011: “The Cook Doctrine”.
Searching YouTube for “LG vs. GE refrigerators”.
Nilay’s Pulitzer-nominated investigation into how many wiper blades are on the Tesla Cybertruck.
Doug DeMuro’s car-review YouTube channel.
Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC.
Steve Jobs on how most professional managers are bozos.
Nilay’s AI-written article: “Best printer 2023: just buy this Brother laser printer everyone has, it’s fine”.
Amanda Chicago Lewis’s crackerjack feature story at The Verge on SEO “experts”: “The People Who Ruined the Internet”.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
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AI is making fake Drake/The Weeknd songs, weird images, and there’s a worry that TV and movie scripts could be written by ChatGPT. But it’s also about to dramatically change the way we consume, share, and obsess over pop culture. Nilay Patel, Editor-in-Chief of The Verge, explains to Sam how pretty much everything we search on the internet is mediated by Google… and how AI is about to disrupt it all.
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Nilay Patel returns to the show to talk about Apple’s “Far Out” event, the iPhones 14, and The Verge’s redesign.
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Nilay's iPhone 14 Pro review for The Verge.
Yours truly's iPhone 14 Pro review.
Nilay: "Welcome to the New Verge".
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Special guest: Nilay Patel. Special topics: the iPhones 13, Apple Watch Series 7, kids today and the file system, the Lightning / USB-C debate, and, of course, our speculation about next week’s “Unleashed” Apple event.
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Business Insider feature suggesting Apple’s health initiatives are unfocused. (News+ link.)
Monica Chin at The Verge: “File Not Found” — how kids today don’t understand computer file systems.
Float — Aundre Larrow’s beautiful short film, shot using iPhone 13’s Cinematic Mode.
Nilay’s excellent interview podcast, Decoder.
My review of the Apple Watch Series 7.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Nilay Patel returns to the show and we have nothing to talk about. You know, other than the M1 Macs and entire iPhone 12 lineup.
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Decoder — new/relaunched interview podcast hosted by Nilay. (Overcast link.)
“The Pandemic Work Diary of a Podcasting Tech Editor” — nice feature in the NYT on Nilay’s workday.
The Verge’s reviews for the M1 MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and Mac Mini.
Yours truly’s review of the M1 MacBook Pro.
Patrick Moorhead’s “last honest man” style review of the M1 MacBook Air for Forbes, which, just one week later, is not aging well.
The Verge’s reviews for the iPhone 12 Pro Max and iPhone 12 Mini. And from a few weeks prior: the iPhone 12 and 12 Pro.
Yours truly’s reviews of the iPhone 12/12 Pro and 12 Mini/12 Pro Max.
“Verizon and AT&T Have Vastly Different Ideas About Phone Cases” — Ashley Carman’s 2018 profile for The Verge of Helena Elicerio, Verizon’s phone case product manager.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Nilay Patel returns to the show to discuss this week’s House antitrust hearing featuring testimony from Tim Cook, Jeff Bezos, Sundar Pichai, and Mark Zuckerberg.
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Full 5.5-hour video of the hearing.
Casey Newton at The Verge: “Overdue, messy, and unsatisfying — but also a necessary part of a hugely important conversation”.
Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and famed character actor M. Emmet Walsh, who was born to play him.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) grilling Jeff Bezos on anti-competitive business practices at Amazon.
Lina M. Khan: “Amazon’s Antitrust Paradox”. Seminal paper published in The Yale Law Journal in 2017.
The Verge on the 2010 emails between Phil Schiller, Eddy Cue, and Steve Jobs that set the rules that keep Amazon from selling Kindle books in their iOS app.
Tim Wu’s The Curse of Bigness.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Nilay Patel returns to the show to talk about the iPhone XS and XS Max. We got so caught up talking about cameras, we never even mention headphone jacks.
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This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
Special guest Nilay Patel joins the show. Topics include The Verge and Recode (and the state of the media industry at large), what’s going on with the lack of updates to professional Mac hardware, and, of course, Apple’s purported removal of the headphone jack on the upcoming new iPhones.
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Cory Doctorow: “Phones Without Headphone Jacks Are Phones With DRM for Audio”.
Yours truly: “Headphone Jacks Are the New Floppy Drives”.
Jason Snell: “Searching for a Good Reason to Remove the Headphone Jack”.
This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.
