React: then & now
Back at React Summit in New York, KBall & Nick sat down with Tom Occhino & Shruti Kapoor for more fascinating conversations.
Tom Occhino, a key figure in React’s history at Facebook (now Meta), reveals the origin story of React, which began when an ads engineer presented a revolutionary approach to web UI rendering. The discussion extends to React’s evolution through Next.js.
Then, Shruti Kapoor breaks down React 19’s major features, including React Server Components (RSC), the new compiler implementation, and enhanced APIs that promise to streamline development workflows.
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Featuring:
Tom Occhino – Website, LinkedIn, X
Shruti Kapoor – Website, GitHub, X
Nick Nisi – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X
Kevin Ball – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
Show Notes:
React.js: The Documentary
React 19 RC
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
SaaS Lead Generation: 40 Failed Meetings to 90% Inbound
Shruti Kapoor hired a sales consultant who booked 40 meetings with ideal customers. Every single one ended without a sale. Then she built a SaaS lead generation engine using inbound marketing SaaS tactics that flipped the script entirely - over 90% of revenue came through inbound channels.
If outbound is not working and you need a better SaaS lead generation approach, this episode shows how community-driven growth and word of mouth SaaS can scale faster than cold outreach. Shruti reveals how repositioning around zero-setup features drove revenue from near-zero to six figures in three months, and how Wingman grew to mid-seven figures before being acquired by Clari at 15-20x revenue.
Shruti Kapoor is the co-founder of Wingman (acquired by Clari), a conversation intelligence platform for sales teams. Wingman grew to 300+ customers on a $2.3M seed round from Y Combinator.
🔑 Key Lessons
SaaS lead generation beats outbound when selling to social buyers - sales leaders buy through peer recommendations, so Wingman focused on community-driven growth.
Zero closed deals expose positioning problems, not product problems - 40 failed meetings revealed that perceived setup effort was killing SaaS lead generation before prospects saw value.
Lead with zero-setup features to reduce adoption friction - monologue alerts and call bookmarking required no configuration and showed instant value.
Customer advocacy scales inbound marketing SaaS better than self-promotion - customers organically posted about Wingman in Slack communities and Reddit threads.
Inbound acquisition interest signals market timing for a SaaS exit - three unsolicited buyers appeared while Wingman planned a fundraise during the word of mouth SaaS consolidation wave.
Chapters
Introduction
Shruti's favorite quote on selflessness
What Wingman does and who it serves
The origin story at Payoneer in India
How the three co-founders came together
Competing with Gong and Chorus
Building the MVP in five months
First paying customer and early struggles
Why 40 sales meetings produced zero closes
Fixing the adoption friction problem
Y Combinator experience and near-zero revenue
From zero to six-figure revenue in three months
Building the SaaS lead generation engine
Slack communities and Reddit word of mouth
Getting customers to advocate for you
Scaling inbound to 300 customers and 90% of revenue
Selling Wingman to Clari in 2022
Lightning round
Resources
Full show notes: https://saasclub.io/341
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