Vercel

In this episode, Scott and Wes sit down with Tim Neutkens and Jimmi Lai from the Next.js team to dig into the new Adapters API, what it takes to run Next.js across platforms like Cloudflare and Netlify, and how caching and infrastructure choices affect performance. They also go deep on TurboPack’s internals, why Next.js doesn’t run on Vite, and the evolution of bundling in the framework. Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! 01:14 Introduction to Next.js and the Adapter Platform Next.js Across Platforms 02:23 The Adapters API: Features and Community Needs 04:46 Building and Testing the Adapters API 07:37 Infrastructure Requirements for Next.js Apps 11:38 Caching Strategies and Performance Optimization 13:29 The Role of Cache Components in Next.js 17:21 First Steps of Optimizations. 19:48 Blessed Adapters and Community Contributions 22:56 Future Directions and Runtime Support 25:05 Challenges with Different Runtimes and Debugging 26:45 Webpack vs. TurboPack: The Evolution of Next.js 29:45 Why Not Run on Vite? 32:47 Navigating Bundler Challenges 36:59 Building TurboPack: Lessons Learned 41:42 Incremental Compilation and Performance Episode with ByteDance’s Zack Jackson 43:50 Framework Comparisons and Performance Metrics 46:42 Exploring Future Directions for TurboPack 49:44 TurboPack’s Integration and API Development 52:50 Standardization in Bundler Tools 56:52 TurboPack’s Adoption and User Experience 57:49 Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs Sick Picks Tim: Acquired Podcast Jimmy: Hydrangea Coffee Shameless Plugs Jimmy: nextjs-across-platforms Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

Tim Neutkens

Engineer, Next.js team

Vercel

Jimmi Lai

Engineer, Next.js team

Vercel

Scott and Wes sit down with Dimitri Mitropoulos to explore the wild edges of TypeScript—from running Doom in the type system to building tools like Typeslayer. They dig into Turing-complete types, performance limits, and what the future might hold for TypeScript and programming languages as a whole. Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! 00:27 Dimitri Mitropoulos Introduction 01:29 What is Doom in TypeScript? 03:10 TypeScript Types and Turing Completeness 04:06 Project Overview and Challenges 04:57 ASCII Art and Visual Representation 06:50 Performance Issues with TypeScript 09:27 Brought to you by Sentry.io 09:51 Typeslayer Tool Introduction 16:19 Building in Tauri 20:54 Challenges around packaging 24:03 Future of TypeScript and AI 27:40 Is the Go-based compiler significantly faster? TSperf 30:23 Should there be something to follow Typescript? 36:27 Staying up to date with WASM. 37:08 SquiggleConf Overview 38:26 Hosting a conference 40:45 What are your thoughts on Zig? 45:07 Vibe coding as an end goal 50:01 Sick Picks & Shameless Plugs Sick Picks Dimitri: pullfrog Shameless Plugs Dimitri: Michigan TypeScript on YouTube Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

Dimitri Mitropoulos

Developer

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Jeanne DeWitt Grosser built world-class GTM teams at Stripe, Google, and, most recently, Vercel, where she serves as COO and oversees marketing, sales, customer success, revenue operations, and field engineering. She transformed Stripe’s early sales organization from the ground up and advises founders on GTM strategy. We discuss: 1. Why GTM is becoming more strategically important in the AI era 2. The rise of the GTM engineer 3. A primer on segmentation 4. How to build a sales org that engineers and product teams respect 5. The changing calculus of build vs. buy for go-to-market tools in the AI era 6. Why most customers buy to avoid pain rather than to gain upside — Brought to you by: Datadog—Now home to Eppo, the leading experimentation and feature flagging platform: https://www.datadoghq.com/lenny Lovable—Build apps by simply chatting with AI: https://lovable.dev/ Stripe—Helping companies of all sizes grow revenue: https://stripe.com/ — Transcript: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/what-the-best-gtm-teams-do-differently — My biggest takeaways (for paid newsletter subscribers): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/i/179503137/my-biggest-takeaways-from-this-conversation — Where to find Jeanne DeWitt Grosser: • X: https://x.com/jdewitt29 • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeannedewitt — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Introduction to Jeanne DeWitt Grosser (05:26) Defining go-to-market (08:43) The evolution of go-to-market roles (11:23) The rise of the go-to-market engineer (14:21) Implementing AI in sales processes (15:28) Optimizing sales with AI agents (23:47) Defining sales roles: SDRs and AEs (26:04) When to hire a GTM engineer (29:04) Hiring and scaling sales teams (30:50) The ideal go-to-market engineer (34:24) The go-to-market tool stack (40:39) Advice on building a great sales bot (44:34) Vercel’s unfair advantage (46:37) Go-to-market as a product (47:04) Innovative sales tactics at Stripe (52:38) Effective go-to-market tactics (01:00:37) Segmentation strategies (01:09:31) Building a sales org that engineers love (01:14:00) Thoughts on PLG and pricing (01:16:44) Sales compensation and hiring (01:19:24) Lightning round and final thoughts — Referenced: • Vercel: https://vercel.com • Stripe: https://stripe.com • Rosalind Franklin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalind_Franklin • Ben Salzman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bensalzman • SDK: https://ai-sdk.dev/docs/introduction • Gong: https://www.gong.io • Lyft: https://www.lyft.com • Instacart: https://www.instacart.com • DoorDash: https://www.instacart.com • “Sell the alpha, not the feature”: The enterprise sales playbook for $1M to $10M ARR | Jen Abel: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-enterprise-sales-playbook-1m-to-10m-arr • A step-by-step guide to crafting a sales pitch that wins | April Dunford (author of Obviously Awesome and Sales Pitch): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-step-by-step-guide-to-crafting • Kate Jensen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kateearle • Lessons from scaling Stripe | Claire Hughes Johnson (former COO of Stripe): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-scaling-stripe-tactics • Atlassian: atlassian.com — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.com

Jeanne DeWitt Grosser

COO

VercelStripe

Doom has seemingly been ported to every electronic device imaginable, including picture frames, lamps, and coffee machines. The meme of “it runs Doom” has become so widespread that it spawned the r/itrunsdoom sub-Reddit. Recently, Doom made headlines again for being ported to TypeScript. The project involved representing Doom entirely in TypeScript, three and a half trillion lines of types, 90 GB of RAM to run, and a full year to complete. Dimitri Mitropoulos is the engineer who carried out this heroic feat. He’s also a developer at Vercel, the founder of Michigan Typescript, and a co-founder of SquiggleConf. Dimitri joins the podcast with Josh Goldberg to talk about what it took to pull off one of the most mind-bending TypeScript projects to date. Josh Goldberg is an independent full time open source developer in the TypeScript ecosystem. He works on projects that help developers write better TypeScript more easily, most notably on typescript-eslint: the tooling that enables ESLint and Prettier to run on TypeScript code. Josh regularly contributes to open source projects in the ecosystem such as ESLint and TypeScript. Josh is a Microsoft MVP for developer technologies and the author of the acclaimed Learning TypeScript (O’Reilly), a cherished resource for any developer seeking to learn TypeScript without any prior experience outside of JavaScript. Josh regularly presents talks and workshops at bootcamps, conferences, and meetups to share knowledge on TypeScript, static analysis, open source, and general frontend and web development. Please click here to see the transcript of this episode. Sponsorship inquiries: sponsor@softwareengineeringdaily.com The post Running Doom in TypeScript with Dimitri Mitropoulos appeared first on Software Engineering Daily.

Dimitri Mitropoulos

Developer

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Jared Palmer, SVP at GitHub and VP of CoreAI at Microsoft, joins Latent Space for an in-depth look at the evolution of coding agents and modern developer tools. Recently joining after leading AI initiatives at Vercel, Palmer shares firsthand insights from behind the scenes at GitHub Universe, including the launch of Agent HQ which is a new collaboration hub for coding agents and developers. This episode traces Palmer’s journey from building Copilot inspired tools to pioneering the focused Next.js coding agent, v0, and explores how platform constraints fostered rapid experimentation and a breakout success in AI-powered frontend development. Palmer explains the unique advantages of GitHub’s massive developer network, the challenges of scaling agent-based workflows, and why integrating seamless AI into developer experiences is now a top priority for both Microsoft and GitHub. Full Video Episode Timestamps 00:00:00 Introduction and Jared's New Role at GitHub00:01:00 From V0 to Agent HQ: The Evolution of Coding Agents00:02:51 The V0 Origin Story: From ChatGPT to AI Playground00:05:40 Building the AI SDK and ShadCN Collaboration00:07:08 The Birth of V0: Prompt to UI Revolution00:09:18 V0's Growth Journey and Model Evolution00:11:05 Model Strategy: Composite Models vs User Choice00:13:16 GitHub's Agent HQ and Model Marketplace00:15:51 The Future of Agent Abstraction and Standards00:16:33 Microsoft Core AI Integration and Workflow Vision00:18:37 Dev Containers and Repo Setup Challenges00:24:10 Agent Quality and Infrastructure Reliability00:27:05 Using Coding Agents for Non-Coding Tasks00:29:11 GitHub Homepage Redesign and Community Feedback00:30:27 Stacked Diffs: GitHub's Most Requested Feature This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.latent.space/subscribe

Jared Palmer

SVP at GitHub and VP of CoreAI at Microsoft

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Scott and Wes sit down with Jared Palmer of GitHub (formerly of Vercel) to unpack all the biggest announcements from GitHub Universe 2025. They dive into the future of developer workflows with agents, how GitHub is rethinking project interfaces, and where there’s still room to improve the dev experience. Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! GitHub Universe Recap. 00:21 Who is Jared Palmer? 01:19 The developer workflow with agents. 03:33 Opening ongoing tasks in VS Code. 06:08 The benefit of agnostic agents. 07:04 GitHub’s biggest opportunities for improvement. 09:38 What’s your interface of choice for a new project? Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

Jared Palmer

SVP at GitHub and VP of CoreAI at Microsoft

GitHubMicrosoftVercel

In this conversation with Malte Ubl, CTO of Vercel (http://x.com/cramforce), we explore how the company is pioneering the infrastructure for AI-powered development through their comprehensive suite of tools including workflows, AI SDK, and the newly announced agent ecosystem. Malte shares insights into Vercel’s philosophy of “dogfooding” - never shipping abstractions they haven’t battle-tested themselves - which led to extracting their AI SDK from v0 and building production agents that handle everything from anomaly detection to lead qualification. The discussion dives deep into Vercel’s new Workflow Development Kit, which brings durable execution patterns to serverless functions, allowing developers to write code that can pause, resume, and wait indefinitely without cost. Malte explains how this enables complex agent orchestration with human-in-the-loop approvals through simple webhook patterns, making it dramatically easier to build reliable AI applications. We explore Vercel’s strategic approach to AI agents, including their DevOps agent that automatically investigates production anomalies by querying observability data and analyzing logs - solving the recall-precision problem that plagues traditional alerting systems. Malte candidly discusses where agents excel today (meeting notes, UI changes, lead qualification) versus where they fall short, emphasizing the importance of finding the “sweet spot” by asking employees what they hate most about their jobs. The conversation also covers Vercel’s significant investment in Python support, bringing zero-config deployment to Flask and FastAPI applications, and their vision for security in an AI-coded world where developers “cannot be trusted.” Malte shares his perspective on how CTOs must transform their companies for the AI era while staying true to their core competencies, and why maintaining strong IC (individual contributor) career paths is crucial as AI changes the nature of software development. What was launched at Ship AI 2025: AI SDK 6.0 & Agent Architecture * Agent Abstraction Philosophy: AI SDK 6 introduces an agent abstraction where you can “define once, deploy everywhere”. How does this differ from existing agent frameworks like LangChain or AutoGPT? What specific pain points did you observe in production that led to this design? * Human-in-the-Loop at Scale: The tool approval system with needsApproval: true gates actions until human confirmation. How do you envision this working at scale for companies with thousands of agent executions? What’s the queue management and escalation strategy? * Type Safety Across Models: AI SDK 6 promises “end-to-end type safety across models and UI”. Given that different LLMs have varying capabilities and output formats, how do you maintain type guarantees when swapping between providers like OpenAI, Anthropic, or Mistral? Workflow Development Kit (WDK) * Durability as Code: The use workflow primitive makes any TypeScript function durable with automatic retries, progress persistence, and observability. What’s happening under the hood? Are you using event sourcing, checkpoint/restart, or a different pattern? * Infrastructure Provisioning: Vercel automatically detects when a function is durable and dynamically provisions infrastructure in real-time. What signals are you detecting in the code, and how do you determine the optimal infrastructure configuration (queue sizes, retry policies, timeout values)? Vercel Agent (beta) * Code Review Validation: The Agent reviews code and proposes “validated patches”. What does “validated” mean in this context? Are you running automated tests, static analysis, or something more sophisticated? * AI Investigations: Vercel Agent automatically opens AI investigations when it detects performance or error spikes using real production data. What data sources does it have access to? How does it distinguish between normal variance and actual anomalies? Python Support (For the first time, Vercel now supports Python backends natively.) Marketplace & Agent Ecosystem * Agent Network Effects: The Marketplace now offers agents like CodeRabbit, Corridor, Sourcery, and integrations with Autonoma, Braintrust, Browser Use. How do you ensure these third-party agents can’t access sensitive customer data? What’s the security model? “An Agent on Every Desk” Program * Vercel launched a new program to help companies identify high-value use cases and build their first production AI agents. It provides consultations, reference templates, and hands-on support to go from idea to deployed agent Full Video Episode Timestamps 00:00 Introduction and Malte’s Background at Google 01:16 Vercel’s AI Engineering Philosophy and Ship AI Recap 03:19 Deep Dive: Workflows vs Agents Architecture 09:33 AI SDK Success Story: Staying Low-Level and Humble 16:35 Framework Design Principles and Open Source Strategy 19:20 Vercel Agent: AI-Powered DevOps and Anomaly Detection 27:06 Internal Agent Use Cases: Lead Qualification and Abuse Analysis 29:49 Agent on Every Desk Program and Enterprise Adoption 32:13 Python Support and Multi-Language Infrastructure 39:42 The Future of AI-Native Security and Development This is a public episode. 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Malte Ubl

CTO

VercelGoogle

Rich Harris, creator of Svelte and software engineer at Vercel, joins Ryan on the show to dive into the evolution and future of web frameworks. They discuss the birth and growth of Svelte during the rise of mobile, the challenges of building robust and efficient web applications, how companies can back more open-source community projects, and the dirty little secret about asynchronous operations and component frameworks. Episode notes: Svelte is a UI framework that uses a compiler to let you write components using HTML, CSS and JavaScript. It’s ranked as one of developer’s most admired web frameworks in this year’s Developer Survey. Keep up with the Svelte community on the Svelte Society page. Find Rich on Blue Sky and GitHub. Congrats to Paul Pladijs, who won a Populist badge for answering the question How can one change the timestamp of an old commit in Git?. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Rich Harris

Creator of Svelte / Staff Engineer

VercelThe New York Times

Vercel CEO Guillermo Rauch has spent years obsessing over reducing the friction between having an idea and getting it online. Now with AI, he's achieving something even more ambitious: making software creation accessible to anyone with a keyboard. Guillermo explains how v0 has grown to 3 million users by focusing on reliability and quality, why ChatGPT has become their fastest-growing customer acquisition channel, and how AI is enabling “virtual coworkers” across design, development, and marketing. He shares his contrarian view that the future belongs to ephemeral, generated-on-demand applications rather than traditional installed software, and why he believes we're on the cusp of the biggest transformation to the web in its history. Hosted by Sonya Huang and Pat Grady, Sequoia Capital

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

Episode 711: Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) talks to Guillermo Rauch ( https://x.com/rauchg ) about building Vercel plus 7 business ideas to start in AI.   — Show Notes: (0:00) Dropout to job offer from Facebook (3:38) Genius vs accident (21:04) Building Vercel (25:26) AI startup ideas (31:38) IDEA: V0 for Video Games (33:09) IDEA: Doom CAPTCHA (40:04) IDEA: AI Typeform (46:54) IDEA: AI Camera (54:06) IDEA: Auto Complete (58:51) IDEA: Granular V0 — Links: • Guillermo Rauch - https://rauchg.com/  • Vercel - https://vercel.com/  — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: • Shaan's weekly email - https://www.shaanpuri.com  • Visit https://www.somewhere.com/mfm to hire worldwide talent like Shaan and get $500 off for being an MFM listener. Hire developers, assistants, marketing pros, sales teams and more for 80% less than US equivalents. • Mercury - Need a bank for your company? Go check out Mercury (mercury.com). Shaan uses it for all of his companies! Mercury is a financial technology company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided by Choice Financial Group, Column, N.A., and Evolve Bank & Trust, Members FDIC — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/ • Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/ • Copy That - https://copythat.com • Hampton Wealth Survey - https://joinhampton.com/wealth • Sam’s List - http://samslist.co/ My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by HubSpot Media // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

Guillermo Rauch is the founder and CEO of Vercel, creators of v0 (one of the most popular AI app building tools), and the mind behind foundational JavaScript frameworks like Next.js and Socket.io. An open source pioneer and legendary engineer, Guillermo has built tools that power some of the internet’s most innovative products, including Midjourney, Grok, and Notion. His mission is to democratize product creation, expanding the pool of potential builders from 5 million developers to over 100 million people worldwide. In this episode, you’ll learn: 1. How AI will radically speed up product development—and the three critical skills PMs and engineers should master now to stay ahead 2. Why the future of building apps is shifting toward prompts instead of code, and how that affects traditional product teams 3. Specific ways to improve your design “taste,” plus practical tips to consistently create beautiful, user-loved products 4. How Guillermo built a powerful app in under two hours for $20 (while flying and using plane Wi-Fi) that would normally take weeks and thousands of dollars in engineering time 5. The exact strategies Vercel uses internally to leverage AI tools like v0 and Cursor, enabling their team of 600 to ship faster and better than ever before 6. Guillermo’s actionable advice on increasing your product quality through rapid iteration, real-world user feedback, and creating intentional “exposure hours” for your team — Brought to you by: • WorkOS—Modern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs • Vanta — Automate compliance. Simplify security • LinkedIn Ads—Reach professionals and drive results for your business — Where to find Guillermo Rauch: • X: https://x.com/rauchg • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rauchg/ • Website: https://rauchg.com/ — Where to find Lenny: • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/ — In this episode, we cover: (00:00) Introduction to Guillermo Rauch (04:43) v0's mission (07:03) The impact and growth of v0 (15:54) The future of product development with AI (19:05) Empowering engineers and product builders (24:01) Skills for the future: coding, math, and eloquence (35:05) v0 in action: real-world applications (36:40) Tips for using v0 effectively (45:46) Core skills for building AI apps (49:44) Live demo (59:45) Understanding how AI thinks (01:04:35) AI integration and future prospects (01:07:22) Building taste (01:13:43) Limitations of v0 (01:16:54) Improving the design of your product (01:20:09) The secret to product quality (01:22:35) Vercel’s AI-driven development (01:25:43) Guillermo's vision for the future — Referenced: • v0: https://v0.dev/ • Vercel: https://vercel.com/ • GitHub: https://github.com/ • Cursor: https://www.cursor.com/ • Next.js Framework: https://nextjs.org/ • Claude: https://claude.ai/new • Grok: https://x.ai/ • Midjourney: https://www.midjourney.com • SocketIO: https://socket.io/ • Notion’s lost years, its near collapse during Covid, staying small to move fast, the joy and suffering of building horizontal, more | Ivan Zhao (CEO and co-founder): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-notion-ivan-zhao • Notion: https://www.notion.com/ • Automattic: https://automattic.com/ • Inside Bolt: From near-death to ~$40m ARR in 5 months—one of the fastest-growing products in history | Eric Simons (founder & CEO of StackBlitz): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-bolt-eric-simons • v0 Community: https://v0.dev/chat/community • Figma: https://www.figma.com/ • Git Commit: https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/saving-changes/git-commit • What are Artifacts and how do I use them?: https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/9487310-what-are-artifacts-and-how-do-i-use-them • Design Engineering at Vercel: https://vercel.com/blog/design-engineering-at-vercel • CSS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS • Tailwind: https://tailwindcss.com/ • Wordcel / Shape Rotator / Mathcel: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wordcel-shape-rotator-mathcel • Steve Jobs’s Ultimate Lesson for Companies: https://hbr.org/2011/08/steve-jobss-ultimate-lesson-fo • Bloom Hackathon: https://bloom.build/ • Expenses Should Do Themselves | Saquon Barkley x Ramp (Super Bowl Ad): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Tgsy7D0Jg • Velocity over everything: How Ramp became the fastest-growing SaaS startup of all time | Geoff Charles (VP of Product): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/velocity-over-everything-how-ramp • JavaScript: https://www.javascript.com/ • React: https://react.dev/ • Mapbox: https://www.mapbox.com/ • Leaflet: https://leafletjs.com/ • Escape hatches: https://react.dev/learn/escape-hatches • Supreme: https://supreme.com/ • Shadcn: https://ui.shadcn.com/ • Charles Schwab: https://www.schwab.com/ • Fortune: https://fortune.com/ • Semafor: https://www.semafor.com/ • AI SDK: https://sdk.vercel.ai/ • DeepSeek: https://www.deepseek.com/ • Stripe: https://stripe.com/ • Vercel templates: https://vercel.com/templates • GC AI: https://getgc.ai/ • OpenEvidence: https://www.openevidence.com/ • Paris Fashion Week: https://www.fhcm.paris/en/paris-fashion-week • Guillermo’s post on X about making great products: https://x.com/rauchg/status/1887314115066274254 • Everybody Can Cook billboard: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/evilrabbit_activity-7242975574242037760-uRW9/ • Ratatouille: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382932/ — Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com. — Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.lennysnewsletter.com/subscribe

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

Vercel has become the infrastructure platform powering modern web development over the past several years, with companies from Stripe to Adobe to Runway all building their front ends on them. Today we’re joined by founder and CEO Guillermo Rauch, who shares why Vercel has been uniquely successful in the fragmented (to say the least!) world of web development platforms. There are now more than 6 million Vercel users, 80,000 active teams, and users have grown 200% year-over-year. The company also crossed $100m in annualized revenue last May, and Guillermo shared with us that they’ve been growing at 80% since, and were recently valued at $3.25 billion. This is also a particularly interesting moment for Vercel. Last year they launched a new product, “v0”, which lets anyone create and deploy a working website simply by describing it in English and letting AI take care of the rest. Guillermo shares its origin story within the company (and insanely that it reached $2m ARR in the first 14 days!), and how it’s changed their entire thinking about what’s possible now with AI products. We also cover: How to build a business around an open source project (Next.js) How they balance both being a fast and nimble platform for startups with being a reliable platform for enterprises Guillermo's unconventional approach to staying deeply technical as CEO at scale Links: Vercel V0.dev Next.js Sponsors: Sierra: https://bit.ly/acquiredsierra

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

SaaStr 785: The Playbook for Going Upmarket with Stripe's CBO, Jeanne Dewitt Grosser, and Checkr's COO, Lindsey Scrase Want to know when to move upmarket and how to actually pull it off? Jeanne Dewitt Grosser, Chief Business Officer at Stripe, and Lindsey Scrase, COO at Checkr, have done it multiple times at companies like Google Cloud, Stripe, and Checkr. They came to SaaStr Annual to share what they've learned about making the move to go more enterprise actually work. They dive into their professional histories, strategies for startups when targeting and pivoting to enterprise markets, and the signals to watch for before making the leap. Learn from their experiences, including the importance of an aligned company push, the evolution of pricing, and tips for managing unit economics efficiently. Don't miss their actionable advice on understanding unit economics and building a solid operating model to enhance your business success. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SaaStr hosts the largest SaaS community events on the planet. Hey everybody - thanks to the 10,000 of you who came out to SaaStr Annual. We had a blast and big news -- we'll be back in MAY of 2025. That's right, the SaaStr Annual will be a bit earlier next year, May 13-15 2025. We'll still be back in the same venue, in the SF bay area at the 40+ acre sprawling san mateo county events center. Grab your tickets at saastrannual.com with code JASON50 for an extra discount on our very best pricing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jeanne DeWitt Grosser

COO

VercelStripe

Lindsey Scrase

COO

Checkr

Back at React Summit in New York, KBall & Nick sat down with Tom Occhino & Shruti Kapoor for more fascinating conversations. Tom Occhino, a key figure in React’s history at Facebook (now Meta), reveals the origin story of React, which began when an ads engineer presented a revolutionary approach to web UI rendering. The discussion extends to React’s evolution through Next.js. Then, Shruti Kapoor breaks down React 19’s major features, including React Server Components (RSC), the new compiler implementation, and enhanced APIs that promise to streamline development workflows. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 7 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps close to your users — global Anycast load-balancing, zero-configuration private networking, hardware isolation, and instant WireGuard VPN connections. Push-button deployments that scale to thousands of instances. Check out the speedrun to get started in minutes. WorkOS – AuthKit offers 1,000,000 monthly active users (MAU) free — The world’s best login box, powered by WorkOS + Radix. Learn more and get started at WorkOS.com and AuthKit.com Jam.dev – One click bug reports developers love — Never explain another bug report again. Jam auto-captures all the info engineers need to debug and repro. Featuring: Tom Occhino – Website, LinkedIn, X Shruti Kapoor – Website, GitHub, X Nick Nisi – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X Kevin Ball – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X Show Notes: React.js: The Documentary React 19 RC Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Tom Occhino

CPO

Vercel

Shruti Kapoor

Co-founder & CEO

WingmanSlack

Vercel CPO, Tom Occhino, joins Jerod for a one-on-one covering React & Next’s past, present & future. We discuss the birth of React, Tom’s move to Vercel, deploying Next apps to non-Vercel hosts, React as the next jQuery, the viability of Web Components, Vercel customers getting surprise bills & so much more. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 9 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps close to your users — global Anycast load-balancing, zero-configuration private networking, hardware isolation, and instant WireGuard VPN connections. Push-button deployments that scale to thousands of instances. Check out the speedrun to get started in minutes. WorkOS – A platform that gives developers a set of building blocks for quickly adding enterprise-ready features to their application. Add Single Sign-On (Okta, Azure, Google, Microsoft OAuth), sync users from any SCIM directory, HRIS integration, audit trails (SIEM), free magic link sign-in. WorkOS is designed for developers and offers a single, elegant interface that abstracts dozens of enterprise integrations. Learn more and get started at WorkOS.com Notion – Notion is a place where any team can write, plan, organize, and rediscover the joy of play. It’s a workspace designed not just for making progress, but getting inspired. Notion is for everyone — whether you’re a Fortune 500 company or freelance designer, starting a new startup or a student juggling classes and clubs. Featuring: Tom Occhino – Website, LinkedIn, X Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X Show Notes: React.js: The Documentary - YouTube React, React Native, Flux, Relay, GraphQL (Changelog Interviews #149) Next.js Conf by Vercel v0 by Vercel Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Tom Occhino

CPO

Vercel

Want to learn more about the early days of React? React.js: The Documentary gives you the full story from the perspective of the developers who created it. Vercel is a native Next.js platform. v0 aims to democratize software development for non-technical users. Check it out here. Listen to our recent conversation with Vercel’s VP of AI. Connect with Tom on LinkedIn or X. Kudos to Stack Overflow user Sodruldeen Mustapha, who earned a Lifeboat badge by answering How to remove the environment variables from Laravel Debug?.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Tom Occhino

CPO

Vercel

In this episode of Gradient Dissent, Guillermo Rauch, CEO & Founder of Vercel, joins host Lukas Biewald for a wide ranging discussion on how AI is changing web development and front end engineering. They discuss how Vercel’s v0 expert AI agent is generating code and UI based on simple ChatGPT-like prompts, the importance of releasing daily for AI applications, and the changing landscape of frontier model performance between open and closed models. Listen on Apple Podcasts: http://wandb.me/apple-podcasts Listen on Spotify: http://wandb.me/spotify Subscribe to Weights & Biases: https://bit.ly/45BCkYz Get our podcasts on these platforms: Apple Podcasts: http://wandb.me/apple-podcasts Spotify: http://wandb.me/spotify Google: http://wandb.me/gd_google YouTube: http://wandb.me/youtube Connect with Guillermo Rauch: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rauchg/ https://x.com/rauchg Follow Weights & Biases: https://twitter.com/weights_biases https://www.linkedin.com/company/wandb Join the Weights & Biases Discord Server: https://discord.gg/CkZKRNnaf3

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

Nick is joined by Josh Goldberg & Dimitri Mitropoulos to discuss SquiggleConf, a new conference focused on web dev tooling. We explore the motivations behind creating a conference dedicated to developer tools, the challenges of organizing both conferences and local meetups, and strategies for building engaged tech communities. We also discuss the importance of developer tooling, the pandemic’s impact on tech events, and share insights on encouraging new speakers and creating inclusive environments & more! Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 7 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps close to your users — global Anycast load-balancing, zero-configuration private networking, hardware isolation, and instant WireGuard VPN connections. Push-button deployments that scale to thousands of instances. Check out the speedrun to get started in minutes. Wix – Wix Sudio is for devs who build websites, sell apps, go headless, or manage clients. Integrate, extend and write custom scripts in a VS code-based IDE. Leverage zero set up dev, test and production environments. Ship faster with an AI code assistant. And work with Wix headless API’s on any tech stack. Jam.dev – One click bug reports developers love — Never explain another bug report again. Jam auto-captures all the info engineers need to debug and repro. Featuring: Dimitri Mitropoulos – GitHub, LinkedIn Josh Goldberg – GitHub, X Nick Nisi – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X Show Notes: SquiggleConf ESLint TypeScript ESLint Mocha Learning TypeScript book Michigan TypeScript Boston TS Club NebraskaJS Oh My Zsh (tool by Robbie Russell) React Vue Go programming language TypeScript New England Aquarium conference venue Squiggle Conf Discord Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Josh Goldberg

Open Source Developer

SquiggleConftypescript-eslint

Dimitri Mitropoulos

Developer

SquiggleConfVercelTYTypeslayer

Scott and Wes dive into the world of Next.js with special guest Tim Neutkens from Vercel. They explore the latest updates, including the React Compiler and React Server Components, discussing their impact on developer workflows and the future of Next.js development. Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax! 00:30 What does the React Compiler do? 05:04 Will React Compiler help with managing Context? 06:39 What happens if you’re not using a React Compiler? react.dev Playground. 09:30 Will this work on any NextJS version? 12:18 What are React Server Components? 16:28 Shipping all the data inside an encapsulated component. 20:17 Clearing up the frustrations around retrofitting server components. 23:13 Handing migration. 28:30 Is this just a fetch request with props? 36:41 How closely are the NextJS and React teams working? 41:53 Will we ever get Async Client Components? 43:52 Async Local Storage API. 45:31 Turbopack. 57:51 Sick Picks & Shameless Plugs. Sick Picks Tim: Apple TV Sci-Fi. Shameless Plugs Tim: Turbopack, Next.js 15 RC, Sentry NextJS. Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Scott: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads

Tim Neutkens

Engineer, Next.js team

Vercel

Palmer says that a huge percentage of today’s top websites, including apps like ChartGPT, Perplexity, and Claude, were built with Vercel’s Next.JS.  For the second goal, you can see what Vercel is up to with its v0 project, which lets developers use text prompts and images to generate code.  Third, the Vercel AI SDK, which aims to to help developers build conversational, streaming, and chat user interfaces in JavaScript and TypeScript. You can learn more here. If you want to catch Jared posting memes, check him out on Twitter. If you want to learn more abiout the AI SDK, check it out  here. A big thanks to Pierce Darragh for providing a great answer and earning a lifeboat badge by saving a question from the dustinbin of history. Pierce explained: How you can split documents into training set and test set See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jared Palmer

SVP at GitHub and VP of CoreAI at Microsoft

GitHubMicrosoftVercel

SaaStr 725: Mastering High-Volume, Low-CAC Marketing: Strategies from Gorgias, Vercel, and Hypergrowth Partners In today's world, there's a clear shift in what founders, boards, and investors are all after — scalable, low-CAC (customer-acquisition cost) growth strategies. In a panel, Guillaume Cabane (G) and Martin Gontovnikas (Gonto), co-founders of HyperGrowth Partners, Axelle Heems, Senior Director of Growth Operations at Gorgias, and Morgane Palomares, VP of Marketing at Vercel, share real-life examples of how demand generation, growth, and marketing strategies have been executed to scale beyond 2x ARR each year, even on a low budget. Let's deep dive into how combining innovative demand gen strategies with a modern tech stack and specific team setup can provide a winning formula for scaling B2B growth, even with low budgets of greater than a 2x burn multiple. In this episode we'll share: Automated outbound at-scale strategies. Sales-assisted, product-led growth strategies that close Enterprise leads. How to use community as a driver of product-led growth. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SaaStr hosts the largest SaaS community events on the planet. Join us in 2024 at: SaaStr Annual: Sept. 10-12 in the SF Bay Area. Join 12,500 SaaS professionals, CEOs, revenue leaders and investors for the world's LARGEST SaaS community event of the year. Podcast listeners can grab a discount on tickets here: https://www.saastrannual2024.com/buy-tickets?promo=fave20 SaaStr Europa: June 5-6 in London. We'll be hosting the 5th SaaStr Europa in London for two days of content and networking. Join 3,000 SaaS and Cloud leaders. Podcast listeners can grab a discount on Europa tickets here: https://www.saastreuropa2024.com/buy-tickets?promo=fave200 -------------- This episode is sponsored by: Northwest Registered Agent When starting your business, it's important to use a service that will actually help you. Northwest Registered Agent is that service. They'll form your company fast, give you the documents you need to open a business bank account, and even provide you with mail scanning and a business address to keep your personal privacy intact. Visit https://www.northwestregisteredagent.com/saastr to get a 60 percent discount on your next LLC.

Guillaume Cabane

Growth Advisor

RampHypergrowth Partners

Martin Gontovnikas

Co-Founder & GP

Hypergrowth PartnersAuth0

Axelle Heems

Senior Director of Growth Operations

Gorgias

Morgane Palomares

VP of Marketing

Vercel

Join host Craig Smith on episode #169 of Eye on AI as we sit down with Guillermo Rauch, CEO of Vercel, a company that optimizes frontend deployment, making web projects faster to execute and easier to scale. In this episode, we explore the intersection of AI and web development, showcasing how Vercel is pioneering the integration of generative AI technologies to revolutionize web experiences. Guillermo Rauch shares his vision on the future of web development, emphasizing the significance of JavaScript, the evolution of the web, and the critical role of Vercel in facilitating developers to seamlessly deploy AI-driven applications. We delve into the architectural innovations at Vercel, the democratization of AI, and the synergy of combining diverse AI models for superior functionalities as well. Guillermo's perspectives provide a glimpse into the future of interactive web experiences, powered by AI. This episode is a must-listen for developers, entrepreneurs, and anyone interested in the cutting-edge of AI and web development. Don't forget to rate us on Apple Podcast and Spotify if you enjoyed this episode! This episode is sponsored by Netsuite by Oracle, the number one cloud financial system, streamlining accounting, financial management, inventory, HR, and more. Download NetSuite's popular KPI Checklist, designed to give you consistently excellent performance - absolutely free at https://netsuite.com/EYEONAI Stay Updated: Craig Smith Twitter: https://twitter.com/craigss Eye on A.I. Twitter: https://twitter.com/EyeOn_AI (00:00) Preview and Introduction (03:01) Guillermo's Background and Next.js Creation (08:19) Vercel's Operation on AWS and Alternative Solutions (13:12) Combining Different AI Models for Enhanced Outputs (17:25) The Evolution of AI and Focus on User Experience (22:46) Introduction to Copilot and AI Integration in Coding (26:33) The Future of AI Technologies (31:41) Generative AI Applications and Vercel's Role (33:14) Flexibility and Framework Support on Vercel (38:11) Vercel's Architectural Approach (41:02) Trends in Generative AI and App Development (47:54) Supporting Applications with World Models (50:54) Vercel's Growth and Expansion in Serving AI Companies (55:20) Flexibility in Model Integration and Future Directions (57:28) Closing Remarks and Oracle Cloud Infrastructure Promo

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

Guillermo Rauch, Founder and CEO of Vercel, joins Corey on Screaming in the Cloud to discuss how he decided to focus on building a front-end tool that is fast, reliable, and focuses on the developer experience. Guillermo explains how he discovered that Javascript was the language that set online offerings apart, and also reveals the advice he gives to founders on how to build an effective landing page. Corey and Guillermo discuss the effects of generative AI on developer experience, and Guillermo explains why Vercel had a higher standard for accuracy when rolling out their new AI product for developers, v0.  About Guillermo Guillermo Rauch is Founder and CEO of Vercel, where he leads the company’s mission to enable developers to create at the moment of inspiration. Prior to founding Vercel, Guillermo co-founded LearnBoost and Cloudup where he served the company as CTO through its acquisition by Automattic in 2013. Originally from Argentina, Guillermo has been a developer since the age of ten and is passionate about contributing to the open source community. He has created a number of JavaScript projects including socket.io, Mongoose.js, Now, and Next.js. Links Referenced: Vercel: https://vercel.com/ v0.dev: https://v0.dev Personal website: https://rauchg.com Personal twitter: https://twitter.com/rauchg

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

In this episode, Nathan chats with Guillermo Rauch, CEO of Vercel, to discuss how AI might shape the future of code, software 2.0, and the open source question in AI. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period. SPONSORS: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive With the onset of AI, it’s time to upgrade to the next generation of the cloud: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. Train ML models on the cloud’s highest performing NVIDIA GPU clusters. Do more and spend less like Uber, 8x8, and Databricks Mosaic, take a FREE test drive of OCI at https://oracle.com/cognitive NetSuite has 25 years of providing financial software for all your business needs. More than 36,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, gaining visibility and control over their financials, inventory, HR, eCommerce, and more. If you're looking for an ERP platform ✅ head to NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive and download your own customized KPI checklist. Omneky is an omnichannel creative generation platform that lets you launch hundreds of thousands of ad iterations that actually work customized across all platforms, with a click of a button. Omneky combines generative AI and real-time advertising data. Mention "Cog Rev" for 10% off. X/SOCIAL @labenz (Nathan) @rauchg (Guillermo) @CogRev_Podcast TIMESTAMPS (00:00:00) - Introductory comments (00:03:43) - Rauch's background in open source software like Mootools and Next.js (00:04:27) - Overview of Vercel and the front-end cloud concept (00:06:15) - Productivity gains from Vercel's front-end infrastructure (00:14:50) - Sponsors: Shopify | Omneky (00:21:00) - Rauch getting inspired by GitHub Copilot code auto-completion (00:24:00) - Launching Vercel's own AI product vZero: production-ready UI code from natural language prompts (00:29:17) - Sponsors: Oracle | Netsuite (00:30:00) - Transition to discussing the future of software development (00:34:12) - vZero surpassing Rauch's own hand-coded website on accessibility (00:51:00) - Discussion about focusing on the full stack beyond just the AI model (00:54:00) - Concept of Software 2.0 using data and AI instead of classical code (00:56:00) - Maintaining software 1.0 while aggressively expanding into 2.0 paradigm (00:56:12) - Philosophical support for open source and skepticism about risks (00:57:12) - How open source software tends to quickly improve over time (00:57:47) - Prediction that AI may "ossify" existing software 1.0 technologies (01:01:12) - AI enabling more grassroots innovation like Mark Zuckerberg originally did (01:07:00) - Concerns about regulatory suppression of open source AI progress (01:03:00) - Unpredictability of new risks that could emerge like impersonation (01:11:00) - Rejecting AI doom narratives but staying vigilant on capabilities (01:12:00) - Concluding thoughts on embracing AI progress with appropriate caution This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at erik@turpentine.co.

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

The company says v0 is intended to author the first draft of your site or app, then help you iterate quickly. It won't mean the end of junior web developers, says Lee, as a polished final draft still requires a human touch. And it's not a low code no code approach, as the system allows you to switch easily between the GenAI approach and the actual code. You can learn more about v0 here and head over here to join the waitlist. You can find Lee on LinkedIn or his website. Congrats to Stack Overflow user Jonathon Reinhart, who earned a Lifeboat badge for answering the question: How can I import a static library in Python?   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lee

Vercel

Guillermo Rauch is the Founder and CEO @ Vercel, giving developers the frameworks, workflows, and infrastructure to build a faster, more personalized Web. To date, Guillermo has raised $312M from Accel, Bedrock, Greenoaks, GV and more. Prior to founding Vercel, Guillermo co-founded LearnBoost and Cloudup where he served the company as CTO through its acquisition by Automattic in 2013. In Today's Episode with Guillermo Rauch We Discuss: 1. From Argentina to SF: The Boy Making Money Online: How did Guillermo first get into computers and start making money online? Does Guillermo still believe the US and SF offers the same opportunities it did when he came? Did Guillermo feel the weight of responsibility of providing for his family at a young age? 2. Timing, Markets and Narrative Violations: Why does Guillermo believe it does not matter being first but being right? Why does Guillermo believe the most important thing for a company is market selection? Why does Guillermo believe it is crucial that founders and companies have "narrative violations"? 3. The Future of AI: What model will win in the future; open or closed? Where does the value accrue; startups or incumbents? How will the SaaS business model change in a world of AI? 4. Silicon Valley's Most Successful Angel You Did Not Know: What are some of Guillermo's biggest lessons from angel investing? What is his single biggest miss? How has it changed how he thinks? What have been his biggest hits? How did they impact how he thinks about what it takes to win?

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

Love it or hate it, TypeScript is here to stay for the foreseeable future. But, what happens when widely adopted packages go completely Type free or remove TypeScript in favor of JS with type annotations? Join us to unpack these recent events with Rich Harris, creator of Svelte, as he walks us through the nuanced decision his team made for the Svelte project, and ofc, lots of laughs along the way. Join the discussion Changelog++ members get a bonus 7 minutes at the end of this episode and zero ads. Join today! Sponsors: Convex – Convex is a better type of backend — the full-stack TypeScript development platform that lets you replace your database, server functions, and glue code. Get started at convex.dev Caisy – Caisy is the headless CMS that gives developers endless possibilities. Learn more at caisy.io Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps and databases close to your users. In minutes you can run your Ruby, Go, Node, Deno, Python, or Elixir app (and databases!) all over the world. No ops required. Learn more at fly.io/changelog and check out the speedrun in their docs. Featuring: Rich Harris – GitHub, X Amal Hussein – GitHub, X Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X Show Notes: News article from May 2023 when Svelte switched from TS to JSDoc type annotations DHH’s blog post “Open Source Hooliganism and the TypeScript Meltdown” DHH’s tweet announcing Turbo’s removal of TS Rich’s quote tweet of DHH Turbo announcement JSDoc docs Official TS docs highlighting support for JS Doc type annotations ECMA proposal for Type Annotations Principles of Writing Consistent, Idiomatic JavaScript Alternate Episode Titles Type me a river To type or not to type Someone is typing in the community… Different types (or not) for different gripes The script schism Web Dev D Day Going off (Type)Script Losing the (Type)Script While typing(scripting) it Not my type Can’t type this You fought in the Type Wars? Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Rich Harris

Creator of Svelte / Staff Engineer

VercelThe New York Times

Everything digital is increasingly intermediated through web user experiences, and now AI development can be frontend-first, too. Just ask Guillermo Rauch, the founder and CEO of Vercel, the company behind Next.js. In this episode of No Priors, hosts Sarah Guo and Elad Gil speak to Guillermo about their AI SDK and AI templates, and why Vercel is focused on making it easy for every frontend engineer to build with AI. They also discuss what applications Guillermo's most excited about, how to prepare for the world of bots, whether the winds are changing in web architectures, and why he believes in the AI-fueled 100X engineer. Prior to Vercel, Guillermo co-founded several startups and created the JavaScript library, Socket.io, which allows for real-time bi-directional communication between web clients and servers. Show Links: Guillermo Rauch - CEO & Founder of Vercel | LinkedIn  Vercel Vercel AI Sign up for new podcasts every week. Email feedback to show@no-priors.com Follow us on Twitter: @NoPriorsPod | @Saranormous | @EladGil | @rauchg Show Notes:  (0:00:00) - Vercel's AI Strategy and Future Plans (0:10:36) - AI Frameworks, Observability, and Bot Mitigation (0:17:24) - Crawling the Web and Architecture Changes (0:27:54) - AI's Impact on Web Personalization

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

We talk about how Next is bringing image components, server components, and in-house analytics via split bee—and bundling them all together with Turbopack, powered by Rust, our Developer Survey most loved language of 2022. Guillermo Rauch is the CEO and cofounder of Vercel and cocreator of Next.js, an open-source React framework that helps developers build fast, lightweight web applications. The most recent version is Next.js 13. You can find Guillermo on LinkedIn. We previously talked with Guillermo about the security risks of laziness, how Next.js mixes static site and SPA functions, and the front-end trends that get him excited.  Kelsey Hightower is the Principal Developer Advocate at Google Cloud. Find him on Twitter or GitHub, or read about his very personal history with Kubernetes. Kelsey has also distinguished himself on our podcast before.  Kyle Mitofsky is a Senior Software Engineer at Stack Overflow. Find him on Twitter or GitHub. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Guillermo Rauch

Founder & CEO

VercelZEITSocket.IO

Webpack has been king for several years. Vercel wants folks to embrace Turbopack, but their claims about speed raised a lot of backlash after it was first announced. Lee explains why he thinks the Rust-based approach will ultimately be a big benefit to developers and how organizations who are deeply ingrained with existing tools can safely and incrementally migrate to what is, for now, a very Alpha and experimental release.  We go over the routing and rendering updates in Next.JS 13, exploring where it might offer developers more flexibility and the ability to use React server components to ship less, maybe a lot less, JavaScript. As Lee says in the episode:  “So to your point about wanting to ship less JavaScript, that was a kinda fundamental architectural decision of where we headed with the app directory. And the core of this is because it's built on React server components.  The key thing with React server components is that as your application grows in size from one component to a hundred thousand components, the amount of client-side JavaScript you send can be exactly the same. It can be constant because you can render every single component on the server.  And that's a lot different from the world of React applications today, where every new component you add for data fetching or just putting some HTML on the screen also adds additional client-side JavaScript. So this is kind of inverting the default, back from the client to be server first. Now, of course, we still love client-side interactivity that React provides making really interactive and rich UI experiences, but the default for data fetching or just getting HTML to the browser happens from the server, and that's gonna help us reduce the amount of JavaScript.” You can learn more about Lee on his website, LinkedIn, and Twitter. To diver deeper into his take on how Rust will impact the future of Javascript, check out a post he wrote here. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Lee Robinson

VP of Developer Experience

Vercel