Pioneers of AI: The power of storytelling in VCs, with Jeffrey Katzenberg and ChenLi Wang
In this episode of Pioneers of AI, Jeffrey Katzenberg and ChenLi Wang of the venture capital firm WndrCo share why storytelling is essential for building transformative companies and how AI shapes their work.
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EP 144: Jeffrey Katzenberg & Sujay Jaswa (WndrCo) on What Startup Founders Can Steal From Hollywood
Logan sits down with Jeffrey Katzenberg, Hollywood legend and co-founder of DreamWorks, and Sujay Jaswa, former CFO of Dropbox - together, the duo behind WndrCo. They talk about building enduring companies, bridging tech and media, and what makes a great CEO partnership. The conversation also touches on storytelling as a business superpower and lessons from scaling at different stages. Whether you're a founder or a media nerd, there’s something here for you.
(00:00) Intro
(04:26) The Genesis of the Partnership
(13:06) Building and Investing in Companies
(20:27) The Team and Their Roles
(26:52) Decision-Making Process
(33:25) Balancing Dreams and Skepticism
(35:06) The Dynamics of Partnerships
(37:25) Transitioning to Tech
(38:45) Cultural Differences in Industries
(41:26) The Value of Failure and Success
(44:37) Excitement in Emerging Technologies
(48:23) The Venture Capital Game
(56:42) The Dropbox Talent Network
(01:01:20) AI's Impact on Media and Creativity
(01:06:18) Transitioning to CG Animation at DreamWorks
(01:08:39) Embracing Change in the Intelligence Revolution
(01:11:52) The Role of AI in Enhancing Productivity
(01:14:11) Building a Consumer Cybersecurity Business
(01:23:49) The Mission to Protect Children Online
(01:35:17) Reflections on Partnership and Innovation
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Logan Bartlett is a Software Investor at Redpoint Ventures - a Silicon Valley-based VC with $6B AUM and investments in Snowflake, DraftKings, Twilio, and Netflix. In each episode, Logan goes behind the scenes with world-class entrepreneurs and investors. If you're interested in the real inside baseball of tech, entrepreneurship, and start-up investing, tune in every Friday for new episodes.
20VC: Why Operating Experience Becomes Irrelevant Fast and Operators Often Give Bad Advice to Founders, Is Silicon Valley Really Dead? Are Gen Z the Most Entitled Employees? What Will Happen to a Generation of Pre-PMF Companies with $50M in the Bank with
Jeffrey Katzenberg is an entertainment industry executive and entrepreneur, who throughout his career has repeatedly reshaped the media landscape. Jeffrey co-founded DreamWorks SKG, serving as CEO of DreamWorks Animation, which he grew into the world's largest animation studio, known for Shrek, Kung Fu Panda, Madagascar and more. In 2016, DreamWorks Animation was sold to Comcast for $3.8 billion. Before founding DreamWorks, Jeffrey was Chairman of The Walt Disney Studios, where he took the studio from last place to first at the box office with hits like Three Men and a Baby, Pretty Woman, Father of the Bride and Sister Act. Most recently, Jeffrey co-founded WndrCo alongside Sujay Jaswa and has led WndrCo's investments in Airtable, Frame.io, Quibi, Vise, Placer.ai, NexHealth, Deel, and ID.me.
Sujay Jaswa is one of Silicon Valley's leading business innovators. At Dropbox, he created and led the company's global business and finance organizations. Sujay and his teams raised over $1 billion, launched and scaled Dropbox's products for businesses, created partnerships responsible for over 100 million users, executed some 20 acquisitions, and scaled the global business team from two to more than 500 employees in seven global offices. During this period, the company significantly scaled overall revenue from $12 million in 2010 to over $500 million run rate, Dropbox for Business revenue from $1 million to over $200mm run rate, and users from 15 million to 300 million. Most recently, Sujay Jaswa and Jeffrey Katzenberg co-founded WndrCo and Sujay has led WndrCo's investments in Figma, 1Password, Databricks, Pango, Pilot, Rally, Zagat / The Infatuation, and other great companies.
In Today's Episode with Jeffrey Katzenberg and Sujay Jaswa:
1.) From Dreamworks and Dropbox to Venture with WndrCo:
How did Jeffrey and Sujay both make their way into the world of venture from Dropbox and Dreamworks?
What was Jeffrey's single biggest lesson from his time leading Dreamworks and being in Hollywood?
What was Sujay's biggest takeaway from being at the helm as COO at Dropbox?
2.) Operating Experience is Irrelevant and Can Be Dangerous:
Why does Sujay believe that operating experience is irrelevant?
What are the single biggest mistakes that operator investors make when it comes to advising their founders?
What do both Sujay and Jeffrey do to try and refresh their operating experience in real time?
How did Quibi impact their willingness and desire to take large risk both investing and operating?
3.) Building Teams and Hiring People:
What are the single biggest hiring mistakes Jeffrey and Sujay have made?
What did Jeffrey mean when he said at Disney, "if you do not come in on Saturday, do not bother coming in on Sunday".
How do Jeffrey and Sujay feel about remote work? Why did it not work for them?
What did Alfred Lin @ Sequoia teach Sujay about the question all managers need to ask themselves on questing whether they should let someone go?
4.) Silicon Valley: Dead and Entitled?
Why does Jeffrey strongly disagree with the death of Silicon Valley?
What will happen to the generation of companies that raised too much with no product-market fit?
How will the mass layoffs in the valley change the valley as it is today?
Does Sujay agree that millennials are the worst segment to hire from? Are they entitled?
Recode Decode: Jeffrey Katzenberg
Quibi founder Jeffrey Katzenberg talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the first week of the short-form video app — which was intended for on-the-go consumers, but still racked up 1.7 million downloads, even though most of the world is currently staying at home. Katzenberg makes the case for short video episodes as a logical next step for entertainment, and explains how the economics of producing shows such as Dishmantled and Chrissy's Court compares to Netflix, traditional TV and YouTube. He also explains why he's not worried about skepticism from TV purists, why he desperately wanted former eBay and HP CEO Meg Whitman to lead Quibi, and how the platform is attracting top talent from across Hollywood and the broader entertainment business to make shows. Plus: Why is Quibi trading lawsuits with an Israeli firm called Eko, and is Katzenberg bullish on Hollywood right now?
Featuring:
Jeffrey Katzenberg, founder, Quibi
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Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large
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a16z Podcast: On Marrying Entertainment and Technology
with Jeffrey Katzenberg, Meg Whitman (@MegWhitman), and Marc Andreessen (@pmarca)
In this episode of the a16z Podcast, based on a discussion that took place at our annual a16z Summit, Marc Andreessen interviews Jeffrey Katzenberg -- formerly CEO and co-founder of DreamWorks SKG (and chairman of Walt Disney Studios during some of its biggest hits), now co-founder of tech holding company WndrCo -- and Meg Whitman -- former President and CEO of Hewlett Packard Enterprise, and now CEO of Quibi ("quick bites"), focused on short-form mobile video.
Both Katzenberg and Whitman have known each other for years, but they resided in two different worlds -- entertainment and software -- which are now merging, not only through their current venture but more broadly, given fundamental shifts in the entertainment and media landscape. In this conversation, Andreessen probes them on where Hollywood comes in (or doesn't); the intersection of software and new media, including how content creation changes as platforms evolve; and what’s next for entertainment. Along they also touch on their unique working relationship, and leadership lessons learned...
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