Bitwise Asset Management

Three macro forces are converging that almost no one is pricing in correctly. Jeff Park returns to Bankless to lay out what he calls the "certain truths" shaping markets for the next two decades: collapsing demographics across every major economy, wealth concentration that now exceeds even the Gilded Age, and a labor market being structurally hollowed out by AI before robots even arrive. --- 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24 https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium --- BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🔮POLYMARKET | #1 PREDICTION MARKET https://bankless.cc/polymarket-podcast 🦊 METAMASK | DOWNLOAD NOW https://go.metamask.io/BL-Pod-Download 🪐GALAXY | INSTITUTIONAL DIGITAL FINANCE https://bankless.cc/galaxy-podcast 🏅BITGET TRADFI | TRADE GOLD WITH USDT https://bankless.cc/bitget 🎯THE DEFI REPORT | ONCHAIN INSIGHTS https://thedefireport.io/bankless 🐇MEGAETH | 1ST REAL-TIME BLOCKCHAIN https://bankless.cc/megaeth --- TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 3:07 Certain Truth #1: Global Demographic Headwinds 8:26 What a Top-Heavy Population Means for Markets 15:05 The Japan Counter-Argument 26:01 Certain Truth #2: Wealth Concentration at Critical Levels 32:48 Capital Flight, Unrealized Gains, and the Drag on Demand 43:17 Real Estate as the Epicenter of Distortion 48:05 Bitcoin as a Spending and Savings Asset 52:08 Certain Truth #3: The Value of Labor Approaching Zero 1:01:27 The AI Industrial Revolution Comparison 1:04:38 The Convergence: Why All Three Truths Collide Now 1:08:19 Lightning Round: Asset Class Outlook 1:27:49 Closing Thoughts --- RESOURCES Jeff Park https://x.com/dgt10011 Jeff’s paper https://x.com/dgt10011/status/2031757205888762205 --- Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Bitwise’s Matt Hougan and Ryan Rasmussen return with 10 big predictions for 2026. From the case for $1M BTC (and why the classic four-year cycle may be dead) to a world where ETFs soak up more than 100% of new BTC/ETH/SOL supply. We get into Bitcoin volatility vs. mega-cap tech, crypto equities vs. tech equities, and why Polymarket could smash past its 2024 election-era highs. Plus: stablecoins as an “escape valve” that emerging economies may blame for currency stress, on-chain also known as “ETFs 2.0,” and how the Clarity Act could be the starter’s gun for ETH and SOL to run. ------ 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24 https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🔵COINBASE | ETH & BTC BACKED LOANS https://bankless.cc/coinbase-borrow 🪙FRAXNET | MINT, REDEEM, & EARN https://bankless.cc/fraxnet 🦄UNISWAP | CONTINUOUS CLEARING AUCTIONS https://bankless.cc/uniswap-cca 🛞MANTLE | GLOBAL HACKATHON 2025 https://bankless.cc/mantle-hackathon 💤EIGHT SLEEP | IMPROVE YOUR SLEEP https://bankless.cc/eight-sleep 💤EIGHT SLEEP | IMPROVE YOUR SLEEP https://bankless.cc/eight-sleep ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Last Year Predictions 13:12 1. Bitcoin Breaks 4-Year Cycle 16:19 2. BTC Less Volatile Than NVDA 22:09 3. ETFs Purchasing New Supply of Crypto 30:02 4. Crypto Equities Outperforming Equities 37:23 5. Prediction Markets All-Time Highs 42:50 6. Stablecons Destabilizing Currencies 48:16 7. Onchain Vaults Doubling in AUM 52:56 8. Clarity Act Triggering ETH & Sol All-Time Highs 56:40 9. Ivy League Endowments Investing in Crypto 58:49 10. 100+ Crypto ETPs Launching 1:01:14 Bitwise Announcement 1:04:08 Bonus. Bitcoin Equity Correlation Falling 1:07:29 Progress in 2025 1:10:48 Cross-Generational Wealth Transfer? 1:13:02 Closing Thoughts & Disclaimers ------ RESOURCES Matt Hougan https://x.com/Matt_Hougan Ryan Rasmussen https://x.com/RasterlyRock Bitwise https://bitwiseinvestments.com/ ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Ryan Rasmussen

Head of Research

Bitwise Asset Management

The crypto sector has celebrated a lot of policy wins in 2025, but price wise, it has arguably been a year to forget. In this episode of Unchained, Bitwise Head of Research Ryan Rasmussen and Arca Portfolio Manager David Nage join host Laura Shin to discuss the disappointing crypto markets and why their outlook on 2026 is more positive. They also explained why Vanguard's crypto pivot is a huge deal, questioned whether Bitcoin could ever be unseated by privacy coins, and discussed why they don’t see the bubble in the DAT market hurting crypto. Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Take out a Figure Crypto-Backed Loan, allowing you to borrow against your BTC, ETH, or SOL with 12-month terms and no prepayment penalties. They have the lowest rates in the industry at 8.91%, allowing you to access instant cash or buy more Bitcoin without triggering a tax event.  Thank you to our sponsor, Figure! Unlock your crypto’s potential today at Figure!  Guests: Ryan Rasmussen, Head of Research at Bitwise David Nage, Portfolio Manager at Arca Previous appearance on Unchained: The LayerZero-Wormhole Contest Shows How to Value a Crypto Business Links: Unchained: Bitcoin Resets Above $90,000, but Can Bulls Keep the Momentum? Bits + Bips: Vanguard’s Crypto U-Turn, Tether/MSTR FUD & Picking Future Winners Bits + Bips: Why the Markets Now Have a Bullish Setup Franklin Templeton Rolls Out First Tokenized Fund in Hong Kong Why Every Company Will Have a Stablecoin — and Why One L2 Isn’t Enough Grayscale Files to List Zcash ETF What Ethereum Will Look Like When It Implements Its New Privacy Focus Other relevant links: Bank of America Broadens Access to Crypto Funds SEC's Paul Atkins touts 'tokenization’ as key to modernizing US markets Larry Fink and Rob Goldstein on how tokenization could transform finance My Highest-Conviction Bet in Crypto Stablecoin payments on Stripe cost 1.5% of the transaction amount. Credit card fees are as high as 3.5%. Less than half of the cost! Bitcoin’s “Facebook Moment”  Timestamps: 🚀 00:00 Introduction 🤔 01:42 Is the four-year cycle dead?  💡 3:50 Why David says Bitcoin is having its “Facebook moment” ⚡️ 11:42 Why Ryan does not believe Bitcoin OGs are disillusioned 💥 14:43 Why David thinks liquidity may be returning to the market  ❕️ 17:21 What is driving Vanguard and Bank of America's adoption of crypto 🚨 24:34 The importance of Bitwise 10 Crypto Index Fund's ETF transition 💡 28:30 Why BITW excludes memecoins, stablecoins and, wrapped tokens, etc. 🔮 31:15 What tokenization means for the future of finance 👀 35:56 What the future holds for digital asset treasuries ⚠️ 39:45 How unwinding of DATs could affect Bitcoin 🧏 41:11 What Stripe's 1.5% fees suggest about the future of stablecoin competition  📈 46:43 Why David says stablecoin adoption is similar to email 🤔 48:55 Could Bitcoin be toppled as the privacy meta rises? 🔮 56:45 Ryan and David share their 2026 crypto outlook ✴️ 1:02:01 Ryan’s 2026 Bitcoin price target Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ryan Rasmussen

Head of Research

Bitwise Asset Management

David Nage

Portfolio Manager

Arca

This week, CIO of Bitwise Matt Hougan joins the show to discuss fading the power of the four-year cycle, the accelerating wave of institutional adoption, and whether Strategy selling its Bitcoin is a real risk. Matt also weighs in on the Santi-Haseeb L1 debate, balancing token value with investment, and what he thinks drives the next phase of growth. Enjoy! — Follow Matt: https://x.com/Matt_Hougan  CIO Memo: https://bit.ly/4pK4gmC  Follow Jason: https://x.com/JasonYanowitz  Follow Santi: https://x.com/santiagoroel  Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod  — Zcash is encrypted Bitcoin. Your digital bill of rights securing your freedom for the 21st century. Buy, store and spend ZEC privately using Zashi Wallet download today: https://electriccoin.co/zashi/ — Katana is a DeFi-first chain built for deep liquidity and high yield. No empty emissions, just real yield and sequencer fees routed back to DeFi users. Pre-deposit now: Earn high APRs with Turtle Club [https://app.turtle.club/campaigns/katana] or spin the wheel with Katana Krates https://app.katana.network/krates — This Empire episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Onchain Economy ETF (NODE): http://vaneck.com/EmpireNODE An investment in the Fund involves substantial risk and is not suitable for all investors. You may lose your entire principal investment. The Fund may invest nearly all of its net assets in Digital Transformation Companies and/or Digital Asset Instruments but does not invest in digital assets or commodities directly. Digital Asset Instruments may involve risks tied to investing in digital asset exchange-traded products (“ETPs”), including the historically extreme volatility of digital asset and cryptocurrency markets and reduced regulation and investor protections, as these ETPs are not registered investment companies under the Investment Company Act of 1940 (“1940 Act”) or commodity pools under the Commodity Exchange Act (“CEA”). Investing involves substantial risk and high volatility, including possible loss of principal. Visit vaneck.com to review the prospectus, including the Fund’s investment objective, risks, and fees, before investing. © Van Eck Securities Corporation, Distributor, a wholly owned subsidiary of Van Eck Associates Corporation. — GEODNET is the world’s largest RTK network, delivering real-time, centimeter-level precision for drones, robots, farmers, and first responders. Recognized by the U.S. Congress, this blockchain-powered network supports mission-critical applications across a wide range of industries. Discover how GEODNET is changing the world: [https://geodnet.com] — Uniswap’s Trading API offers plug-and-play access to deep onchain and off-chain liquidity, delivering enterprise-grade crypto trading without the complexity - from one of the most trusted teams in DeFi. Click to get started with seamless, scalable access to Uniswap’s powerful onchain trading infrastructure. https://bit.ly/4pt0Fd0 — Timestamps 00:00 Intro 03:28 2026 vs The Four Year Cycle 05:06 Bitcoin Covered Call Strategy 07:44 The Case Against The 4-Year Cycle 11:14 Ads (Zcash, Katana) 12:31 Will Strategy Sell Its Bitcoin? 16:36 Inside The Institutional Mind 24:24 How Advisors Think About Crypto 27:40 The Best Stories In Crypto 30:23 Ads (Zcash, Katana) 31:39 Risk-First Investing 33:01 L1 Debate: Haseeb vs Santi 36:19 Balancing Token Value & Investment 40:16 Ads (VanEck, Uniswap) 41:58 Zcash & The Privacy Narrative 44:29 The Future Of ICOs 46:55 The Token-Equity Convergence 48:19 Final Thoughts — Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Bitcoin has fallen below $102,000. “Uptober” ended in blood. But while retail traders are terrified, institutional conversations are heating up. In this episode of Bits + Bips, hosts Austin Campbell, Ram Ahluwalia, and Chris Perkins are joined by Teddy Fusaro, President of Bitwise, to unpack the week’s market turmoil. They dig into why institutions are finally comfortable allocating to bitcoin, how Ripple is building an ecosystem that can’t be ignored, and whether Tether’s staggering $500 billion valuation makes sense. Plus: the shrinking odds of the CLARITY Act, the merging of TradFi and crypto rails, and why the competition in the payments space is so hot. Sponsors: Binance Mantle Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Austin Campbell, NYU Stern professor and founder and managing partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Christopher Perkins, Managing Partner and President of CoinFund Guest: Teddy Fusaro, President of Bitwise Links: Unchained:  Ripple Hits $4B Investment Milestone With Palisade Deal Extreme Fear Returns to Market as Bitcoin Breaks $104k Support Solana ETFs Draw $44 Million as Bitcoin Funds Bleed $191 Million Stablecoin Volume on Ethereum Breaks $2.8 Trillion Record in October Bitcoin ETFs Record $470 Million Outflows Amid Fed Rate Decision DL News: Clarity Act has 80% chance of passing by 2026: Bitwise The Block: Tether's annual profits top $10 billion as Treasury holdings swell Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 📈 3:03 Why Ram is still bullish on markets despite recent carnage 💧 6:03 Why a slingshot economy will soon send liquidity back into risk assets 🏦 9:18 How institutional sentiment now differs sharply from crypto Twitter 🚀 16:43 Inside Bitwise’s clever move to launch BSOL 🌊 21:20 Why Chris says “you can’t sleep on Ripple” 🔗 25:28 How TradFi and crypto rails are starting to merge 💳 29:38 Why every company suddenly wants to own the payments layer 💣 30:53 Exlporing Tether’s biggest challenge —and whether it’s worth $500B 📊 39:52 ETFs vs. digital asset treasuries: Teddy’s take ⚖️ 46:48 Why the CLARITY Act is unlikely to pass in 2025 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Teddy Fusaro

President

Bitwise Asset Management

Pokémon cards are no longer just collectibles stuffed in a binder. They’re becoming liquid, tradable assets onchain. In this episode, Collector Crypt CEO Tuom Holmberg and Bitwise’s Danny Nelson explain how the project is reimagining the $100 billion trading card industry. From slashing eBay’s 13% fees to near-zero, to solving decades-old authentication problems with vaulting and NFTs, to launching a token that surged 700% in weeks, Collector Crypt is pushing trading cards into crypto rails. We also explore whether this is the start of a “Polymarket moment” for collectibles, how these cards could be used in DeFi, and if mainstream investors might soon allocate to Pokémon decks alongside BTC and ETH. Thank you to our sponsors! Re Walrus Guests: Danny Nelson, Research Analyst at Bitwise Asset Management ⁠Tuom Holmberg⁠, CEO of Collector Crypt Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🛒 2:35 Why eBay’s fees are so high and how Collector Crypt cuts them down 🎴 7:50 How a Pokémon card collector would actually trade onchain 🔒 9:40 What security measures protect vaulted cards 👤 11:13 How Tuom’s background led him to build Collector Crypt 📉 13:14 The highs and lows of launching the app over time ⚖️ 21:24 How the company navigates copyright issues with Pokémon 💰 23:05 Why the $CARDS token surged 700% in weeks 🏦 28:28 How Collector Crypt makes money ⚡ 29:43 Why the team chose to build on Solana 🌍 31:43 How big the trading card market could get onchain 🔮 35:03 What’s next in Collector Crypt’s roadmap 🔥 39:25 Why Danny Nelson calls this a “Polymarket moment” 🖼️ 41:31 What makes digital trading cards different from other tokenized assets 👀 45:06 Why Collector Crypt grabbed so much attention last week 📊 49:22 How traditional funds could start investing in trading cards 🌐 52:04 Whether trading cards are about to go mainstream 🔗 53:40 How Pokémon decks could even be used in DeFi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tuom Holmberg

CEO

Collector Crypt

Danny Nelson

Managing Editor

Bitwise Asset ManagementCoinDesk

In part 2 of Jeff Park’s interview with Unchained, he describes ways that both everyday investors and the U.S. government can use various crypto assets to come out on top as old models and strategies become outdated.  He reveals the three personal stories that led him to develop his radical portfolio theory, puts himself in the shoes of Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, and explains why Japan is the linchpin in the transition to this new world order. In this episode, we explore: Why Jeff believes the future belongs to wholecoiners The social mission behind owning bitcoin How the U.S. could leverage stablecoins to maintain global dominance Why the new American dream might not involve a house at all And why, in Jeff’s words, we may already be “living in a Bitcoin-only world.” Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Xapo Bank Bitwise Guest: Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise Part 1 of Jeff on Unchained: Jeff Park Says the 60/40 Portfolio May Be Dead. Here’s His Radical Fix  Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 📌 3:14 The 3 life events that shaped Jeff’s radical portfolio vision 🌍 7:58 Why crypto’s value is clearer outside privileged financial systems 🚀 15:18 Why Jeff is so bullish on STRK and what it represents 🌐 20:56 What it means to be “living in a Bitcoin-only world” 💥 27:42 Why the U.S. is vulnerable and what’s the new American Dream 🤝 32:36 What Jeff would do if he were in Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s position  🇯🇵 39:16 Why Jeff sees Japan as a critical piece of the global financial order 💵 48:36 Why stablecoins could be the U.S.’s most powerful financial weapon 🤔 54:50 Why Jeff is skeptical about a U.S. bitcoin reserve 🏛️ 59:14 Whether Bitcoin treasury companies are here to stay Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Jeff Park thinks the most popular investing strategy of the last decades — the 60/40 portfolio — is dead. Jeff has spent his early career inside the traditional system. But now, after two years in finance, he’s calling for a full rethink of the modern portfolio: from what counts as “safe” to how inflation actually works to why Bitcoin may be the real anchor asset in a world that’s spinning off its axis. In this episode, the first in a two-part series, he and Laura dig into: Why the 60/40 portfolio is quietly failing What the rise of “resistance” assets says about trust in institutions Why STRK and BTC are the distillation of Jeff’s radical portfolio How traditional finance may be more correlated to crypto than you think Why “time is liquid energy” and bitcoin is so valuable Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Xapo Bank Bitwise Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise The Radical Portfolio Theory by Jeff Park Unchained: DeFi Leverage on Apollo’s $1.3 Billion Credit Fund Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 🧠 2:19 How entering the workforce in 2008 pushed Jeff to question everything, even the dollar 🏛️ 14:31 Jeff’s role as head of alpha strategies at Bitwise 📉 17:27 Why the classic 60/40 portfolio may be dead 🌍 34:10 How crypto fits into the new financial world ⚡ 40:58 Why “time is liquid energy” and bitcoin captures it best 📊 41:52 The core of Jeff’s radical portfolio theory 🛡️ 54:44 What goes into the “resistance” asset bucket 🎯 59:00 Why prediction markets could diversify your income 💎 1:09:52 Why Jeff is betting big on Strategy’s STRK and BTC 👑 1:14:31 The rise of crypto treasury companies and whether they pose systemic risk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Are crypto ETFs set to reshape the investing landscape? Join us on The Defiant as we dive deep into the future of crypto assets, the evolving regulatory environment, and the rise of index-based investing. Matt Hougan, CIO of Bitwise, shares his expert insights on what these changes mean for investors and how crypto ETFs could revolutionize access to digital assets.  Chapters: 00:00 The Defiant Intro 00:10 Why tariffs could be bullish for Bitcoin  00:41 Intro to Matt Hougan, CIO of Bitwise 01:35 The impact of U.S. interest rates on crypto markets  04:00 Tariffs and their effects on crypto 08:24 How USD fluctuations affect global crypto trends  10:15 Investor reactions to a weaker dollar 11:58 Bitcoin as a hedge against volatility 14:58 The role of traditional investors in driving Bitcoin’s price  20:54 Regulatory insights and which assets stand to gain  22:10 Crypto ETFs 24:50 What sets Bitwise apart in the crowded ETF space  26:52 The rise (and slow start) of Ethereum ETFs 29:00 How will ETH staking play into demand? 30:21 How will an ETH staking fund be structured? 32:30 Top crypto assets to watch for the next wave of ETFs  35:25 How index funds are influencing the future of crypto investing  36:50 Crypto native investors 38:38 Index funds and the SEC 40:11 Ethereum’s coming of age and shifting goals 43:45 What can get 1000x users on Ethereum? 46:28 Ethereum vs. Solana and the next big trends  48:31 Where and how different blockchains thrive 51:30 Predictions for 2025 53:10 Closing Remarks

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

The race for Bitcoin supremacy just got more complicated. Twenty One Capital, backed by Tether, SoftBank, and Cantor Fitzgerald, plans to stack as much BTC as it possibly can.  But is this new venture really about Bitcoin … or about creating a hyper-volatile stock to play market cycles? This week on Unchained, Jeff Park of Bitwise and Mark Palmer of Benchmark join to discuss: Why SoftBank and Tether are a “perfect match”—and why they turned to Bitcoin How volatility, not bitcoin itself, might be the real asset investors are buying What Cantor’s involvement says about Wall Street’s readiness for crypto Why the launch timing matters Whether Twenty One could repeat MicroStrategy’s mistakes Whether these new Bitcoin vehicles are better bets than spot bitcoin or ETFs Plus, is SoftBank getting into crypto a top signal? 👀 Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Bitwise Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise Mark Palmer, Senior Analyst at Benchmark Recent coverage of Unchained on Twenty One: Twenty One Aims to Buy as Much Bitcoin as Possible. Can It Succeed? Press Release: Tether, SoftBank Group, and Jack Mallers Launch Twenty One, a Bitcoin-native Company, Through a Business Combination With Cantor Equity Partners Jeff Park’s post on X Timestamps: 📰 0:00 Introduction 🚀 2:07 Why Jeff sees the Twenty One Capital launch as a huge development 🧠 6:09 How Twenty One might learn from MicroStrategy’s playbook 🏦 11:59 Risks of turning into the next Celsius, Voyager or Genesis 💸 18:52 Why Bitcoin needs income-generating activities to evolve 📊 21:17 How metrics like bitcoin per share bridge crypto and TradFi  🤝 30:16 Whether Tether’s participation makes sense 💍 34:18 Why Jeff thinks SoftBank and Tether are “a perfect match” 🚩 42:29 Is SoftBank entering crypto a top signal? 🏛️ 46:32 Why Cantor’s involvement shows Wall Street is serious 📈 50:24 Why bitcoin vehicle stocks trade at a premium 🗓️ 55:48 Why timing matters compared to MicroStrategy’s 2020 debut 🧮 1:00:06 How to decide between investing in vehicles, spot bitcoin, or ETFs 🌊 1:08:52 Whether SOL investment vehicles will have the same success as bitcoin ones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Mark Palmer

Analyst

BenchmarkBTIG

The crypto markets are at a crossroads. While macro chaos — tariff whiplash, rising yields, and inflation fears — continues to dominate headlines, bitcoin has barely budged. And some say that’s exactly the signal. In this episode, Matt Hougan of Bitwise and Matthew Sheffield of FalconX join Laura to unpack the tension between short-term volatility and long-term conviction. They explore why this cycle may look very different from previous ones, how institutional capital is navigating crypto, and whether we’re entering a new era defined by fundamentals, not just narratives. Plus: Why bitcoin might hit $200K, what Ethereum needs to reclaim momentum, and the real potential of DeFi under this new administration. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Bitwise Human Rights Foundation Guest: Matt Hougan, CIO of Bitwise Previous appearances on Unchained: How Small Bitcoin ETF Issuers Will Compete With the Likes of BlackRock Why a Spot Bitcoin ETF Will Probably Launch No Later Than January 10 Matthew Sheffield, Senior Trader at FalconX Links Subscribe to our new crypto + macro newsletter! https://bitsandbips.beehiiv.com/subscribe Recent coverage of Unchained on the economy and tariffs:  Why CoinFund Believes There’s Still a Strong Bull Case for Bitcoin and Crypto Arthur Hayes on Why Tariffs Will Be Good for Bitcoin and Crypto Bits + Bips: Why a U.S. Recession May Be Coming — And Still Isn’t Priced In Bits + Bips: Trump’s Tariffs Are Causing Mayhem, But Will They Revive U.S. Manufacturing? Trump Tariffs Sink Crypto, BlackRock Pumps Bitcoin’s Bags Why Trump-Induced Stagflation Could Finally Make Bitcoin a Safe Haven In Market Crash, What Should You Buy? Crypto VCs Are Making These Bets Bitcoin Tops $83,000 as Tariff Pause Sends Markets Soaring Crypto Traders See Another $1B Liquidated Amid Tariff Turbulence  Recession incoming? Ray Dalio’s remarks on Meet the Press Timestamps: 📍 0:00 Introduction 🧠 3:48 “An extraordinary moment to live in,” says Matt ⚖️ 5:21 The growing disconnect between long-term belief and short-term pain 🔍 7:40 Why fundamentals are finally taking center stage in investor analysis 🐻 12:34 Solana’s memecoin reputation… can it shake the stigma? 🏛️ 14:29 How ETFs permanently changed crypto market dynamics 📉 15:27 What the 10-year treasury is telling us about bitcoin’s next move 📊 20:28 What crypto options are revealing about investor sentiment 📈 22:33 Whether Ray Dalio is right about where the U.S. economy is headed 💵 28:16 What a weaker dollar means for bitcoin’s value 🚀 31:17 Is $200K bitcoin coming? And who will drive it there? 🌊 38:55 What has to happen for alt season to actually return 🔄 44:40 What light ETF outflows since “Liberation Day” mean 📈 51:10 Why crypto IPO demand is heating up ⚖️ 54:37 DeFi’s big regulatory moment and why the market might be missing it Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Matthew Sheffield

FalconX

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew is joined by Jeff Park, Alpha Liaison at Bitwise, for a deep dive into the chaos gripping global markets and what it all means for crypto. With tariffs ripping through equities and whispers of stagflation on the rise, Jeff breaks down why Bitcoin might still be headed for $200K – and why MicroStrategy might be the new altcoin. They also unpack Circle’s delayed IPO, Ripple’s $1.25B acquisition, and whether capital markets are finally warming up to crypto. Show highlights 🔹 Bitcoin’s $200K Endgame? – Bitwise’s Jeff Park explains why BTC could thrive even in stagflation or full-on macro chaos 🔹 Tariffs, Stagflation & the Dollar – Why Trump’s “Liberation Day” tariffs might mark the end of U.S. stock market dominance 🔹 Bitcoin vs. Gold – Jeff breaks down how BTC is winning over the next-gen investor as the ultimate store of value 🔹 Altcoins Are Just Leverage – Why institutions may abandon alts for Bitcoin ETF options and MicroStrategy exposure 🔹 Circle’s IPO Delay – What Circle’s numbers really show, and why Coinbase is eating half their yield 🔹 Ripple Buys Hidden Road – The biggest crypto M&A ever? What it means for prime brokerage and TradFi on-chain 🔹 The Return of the Bitcoin Wolves – Jeff’s theory on “positive vs. negative rho” Bitcoin and how both narratives can win 🔹 The Impossible Trinity – Jeff connects the dots between FX regimes, U.S. dollar hegemony, and Bitcoin’s global role 🔹 Crypto’s Macro Decoupling – The panel debates whether Bitcoin is finally unhooking from traditional risk assets 🔹 The “Altcoin of TradFi” – MicroStrategy’s secret sauce, and why it’s become Wall Street’s favorite crypto casino Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Guest ⭐️ Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies & PM at Bitwise Asset Management Disclosures Links Circle S-1 Filing https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1876042/000119312525070481/d737521ds1.htm  Ripple Acquires Prime Broker Hidden Road for $1.25B in One of the Largest Deals in the Digital Assets Space https://ripple.com/ripple-press/ripple-acquires-prime-broker-hidden-road/  Timestamps -  0:00 Intro 02:49 Impact of Tariffs on Crypto 03:27 Bitcoin's Role in Investment Portfolios 06:14 Retail vs. Institutional Investors 07:29 Bitcoin's Sensitivity to Interest Rates 12:31 Altcoins & Institutional Interest 15:02 MicroStrategy: The Altcoin of TradFi 23:25 Geopolitical Implications of Tariffs 36:55 Global Currency Models & Bitcoin's Role 38:20 Bitcoin's Performance in Different Economic Scenarios 45:12 Circle's IPO & Business Viability 57:31 Ripple Labs' Acquisition of Hidden Road Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

What started as another scammy memecoin launch has spiraled into one of Argentina’s biggest political scandals. The $LIBRA token, promoted by President Javier Milei and tied to Hayden Davis of Kelsier Ventures, is now at the center of multiple investigations—with allegations of bribery, insider trading, and political corruption. Some are calling it “CryptoGate.” Did Davis really have influence over Milei? Was the president’s sister involved in pay-to-play politics? Could Davis and Milei face legal action? This week, Danny Nelson, managing editor for data & tokens at CoinDesk, joins to reveal what his reporting uncovered, from secret deals to political fallout—and why this scandal could change how people see memecoins forever. Show highlights: 1:47 How Hayden Davis was bragging about his connection to the Argentine presidency 9:15 Why Karina Milei holds the keys to her brother 11:31 Whether Milei is trying to protect Davis 16:22 Whether Milei was an ignorant victim or a more knowledgeable participant in $LIBRA 18:46 What charges Davis could face in the U.S. 22:00 Why Danny thinks Jupiter is taking the right step 24:34 Whether a memecoin such as $LIBRA could be considered a security 29:32 What Davis should do with the $100 million in his possession 33:40 Whether memecoins are now dead 38:41 What the future of Pump.fun looks like Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle Guest Danny Nelson, Managing Editor for Data & Tokens at CoinDesk Links Previous coverage of Unchained on the LIBRA scandal: How the Libra Scandal Exposed Memecoin Insider Trading on the World Stage Bits + Bips: Could the LIBRA Scandal End the Memecoin Craze? Unchained:  LIBRA Insider and Argentinian President Holding Secret Calls Meteora Co-Founder Resigns Amid LIBRA Scandal Are Memecoins Collapsing? These 8 Charts May Be Signaling Yes CoinDesk: Libra Token's Hayden Davis Bragged of Influence Over Argentina's Milei Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong’s post on memecoins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Danny Nelson

Managing Editor

Bitwise Asset ManagementCoinDesk

Subscribe to our newsletter! https://unchainedcrypto.beehiiv.com/subscribe Trump’s new wave of tariffs has reignited the debate: Are they good for the economy or a disaster waiting to happen? Some say tariffs will crush trade, boost inflation, and slow growth—but others argue they could weaken the dollar and send bitcoin soaring. On this episode of Bits + Bips, Jeff Park of Bitwise, along with James Seyffart, Alex Kruger and Noelle Acheson, battle it out over the real impact of Trump’s tariffs, whether they could spark a new Plaza Accord 2.0, and why ETH took a harder hit than BTC in the latest selloff. Plus, is Trump’s economic strategy really about making America great again—or just about keeping his own real estate empire afloat? Jeff makes a bold claim outlining Trump’s #1 goal—one that his personal wealth depends on. Show highlights: 2:38 - Why Jeff believes that people’s reaction to tariffs was bizarre 7:09 - Why Jeff is convinced that tariffs are good for bitcoin 10:18 - Why Alex is so against tariffs 21:37 - How tariffs actually affect consumers 27:36 - What’s Trump’s number one priority is, according to Jeff 36:26 - Whether inflation will eventually come back to previous levels 41:05 - Why ETH got hit the hardest on Sunday night 49:56 - Whether the ETH/BTC ratio has bottomed 51:03 - How Hyperliquid’s HYPE held up so strongly 53:02 - The significance of Tether adding USDT to the Lightning Network Hosts: James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Noelle Acheson, Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter  Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard Guest:  Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise Previous appearance on Bits + Bips: The Real ‘Trump Trade’ & Why Trump's World Liberty Financial Was a Flop Links AP: Canada and Mexico agree with Trump to postpone tariffs by at least 30 days Eric Trump on X: "In my opinion, it’s a great time to add $ETH." Unchained:  USDT Integrates With Bitcoin and Lightning Network ETH Crashes After Trump Imposes Tariffs  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Donald Trump’s newly announced 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico (and 10% on China) have rattled global markets and sparked fresh uncertainty around the U.S. dollar. According to Bitwise’s Jeff Park—whose article “Tariffs, Triffin, and Trump: How the End Game Sends Bitcoin Vertical” has gone viral—this policy shift is fueling one of the biggest crypto-macro convergences since COVID. In this episode, we explore how these cascading forces could radically suppress Treasury yields, devalue the dollar, and propel Bitcoin into unprecedented territory. ------ 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24  https://bankless.cc/spotifya-premium ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🪙FRAX | SELF SUFFICIENT DeFi https://bankless.cc/Frax  🦄UNISWAP | BUG BOUNTY PROGRAM https://bankless.cc/Uniswap-Bug-Bounty  ⚖️ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM ⁠https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  🌐CELO | BUILD TOGETHER AND PROSPER https://bankless.cc/Celo  🏦ONDO | INSTITUTIONAL GRADE FINANCE https://bankless.cc/Ondo   ------ ✨ Mint the episode on Zora ✨ https://zora.co/collect/base:0x4be6cd4d402fed49eb2de95fbc8e737e8ffd3e7f/27 ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 2:40 Trump Tariffs & Bitcoin Connection  4:09 Fiscal Deficit Benefits  7:28 Plaza Accord 1.0 & 2.0 14:12 Tariffs Now vs. 8 Years Ago 16:55 What Happens Next? 19:36 Lowering 10-Year Rate 22:10 Fiscal Dominance Policy Control  23:28 The Triffin Dilemma 29:01 Bitcoin’s Impact  32:16 Trump Advocation of Bitcoin  35:10 Crypto & Real Estate  37:06 Eric Trump’s ETH Tweet 39:22 10-Year Yield Rate Lowering Invetitabilty  42:07 Bitcoin & Other Crypto Risk Assets  47:17 Bitwise’s Dogecoin ETF  50:05 Closing & Disclaimers  ------ RESOURCES Jeff Park https://x.com/dgt10011  Jeff Park’s Thread https://x.com/dgt10011/status/1886125163642552606   ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures ⁠

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

2024 was a breakout year for crypto, with Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Solana outperforming traditional assets and spot Bitcoin ETFs attracting $31.7 billion in record inflows. Coinbase surged toward S&P 500 inclusion, stablecoins doubled, and tokenized real-world assets began their rise. Nations embraced Bitcoin as a reserve asset, and AI-driven memecoins fueled fresh mania. Bitwise calls 2024 a prelude to 2025—a year poised to redefine crypto’s place in global finance. Bitwise’s Chief Investment Officer, Matt Hougan and Head of Research, Ryan Rasmussen join us to share Bitwise’s top 10 2025 Predictions. Trust us anon, you don’t want to miss this.   ------ 📣AMBIRE | SIGN UP! https://www.ambire.com/legends  ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2    ⁠  🦄UNISWAP | BUG BOUNTY PROGRAM https://bankless.cc/Uniswap-Bug-Bounty  🐧CARTESI | LINUX-POWERED ROLLUPS https://bankless.cc/CartesiSimple  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle     ⁠  📈iYield: YOUR FINANCIAL PICTURE, SIMPLIFIED https://bankless.cc/iYield  🔒SAFE | INTRODUCING SAFENET https://bankless.cc/SAFE ------ ✨ Mint the episode on Zora ✨ https://zora.co/collect/zora:0x0c294913a7596b427add7dcbd6d7bbfc7338d53f/110?referrer=0x077Fe9e96Aa9b20Bd36F1C6290f54F8717C5674E  ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 5:19 Summarizing 2024 8:58 Bitcoin, Ethereum, & Solana 2025 Price Targets 21:40 2025 Bitcoin ETF Flows  27:20 Coinbase Surpasses Charles Schwab 32:13 Year of the Crypto IPO  38:01 AI Agent Memecoin Mania 47:39 Countries Holding Bitcoin  53:14 Coinbase S&P 500 & MicroStrategy Nasdaq-100  56:54 Crypto 401(k)s  1:02:48 Stablecoin Assets Double 1:05:26 RWAs Surpasses $50B  1:09:12 Bonus Prediction: 2029 Bitcoin Price  1:12:32 Closing & Disclaimers  ------ RESOURCES Bitwise 2025 Predictions  https://bitwiseinvestments.com/crypto-market-insights/the-year-ahead-10-crypto-predictions-for-2025 Matt Hougan https://x.com/Matt_Hougan  Ryan Rasmussen https://x.com/RasterlyRock   ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures ⁠

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Ryan Rasmussen

Head of Research

Bitwise Asset Management

With a friendlier regulatory environment in sight, will crypto finally get its moment? Jeff Park, head of alpha strategies at Bitwise, joins Unchained to break down what a pro-crypto approach in Washington could mean for the industry, why DeFi tokens such as UNI are thriving, and whether Bitcoin has a place as a strategic national asset.  Plus, Park shares insights into how China will respond to Trump’s economic measures and explains what he means by the “radical portfolio” thesis.  Tune in to find out how this new political era could set the stage for crypto’s long-awaited breakout. Show highlights: Jeff’s main takeaways from the intersection of crypto and politics this cycle Whether crypto has become a partisan issue Why Jeff highlights the usefulness of Polymarket to track the chances of each candidate Why Uniswap’s token UNI outperformed the broader market What sectors of the industry could boom with more regulatory clarity Whether the idea of using bitcoin as a strategic reserve is feasible  How China will respond to Trump’s economic measures What is the “radical portfolio” thesis and what’s bitcoin’s role in it Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Mantle’s FBTC Guest Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise The Radical Portfolio Theory Links Unchained:  Ether Breaks Past $2,800 to 3-Month High Following Trump’s Victory DeFi Tokens Jump on Hopes That Trump Will Provide Crypto Regulatory Clarity Bitcoin Just Gained $100 Billion in Market Cap Overnight. Is it Time to Take Profits? Bitcoin Hits New All-Time High of $75,000 What Gary Gensler Could Still Do Against Crypto in His Remaining Days as SEC Chair Haralabos Voulgaris’s tweets on gambling: Expressing concern about gambling addiction Contrasting gambling now vs. when he started His opposition to how much gambling is promoted Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:13 Key takeaways on crypto’s role in politics 02:38 Has crypto become a partisan issue? 06:47 Why Polymarket is crucial for tracking election odds 09:29 Why UNI is outperforming the market 11:56 Which sectors could thrive with regulatory clarity? 15:07 Could Bitcoin become a national strategic reserve? 18:32 How might China respond to Trump’s economic policies? 20:17 What is the “radical portfolio” thesis? 29:57 Crypto News Recap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

In this episode of Bits + Bips, hosts James Seyffart, Alex Kruger, and Joe McCann are joined by Jeff Park of Bitwise to discuss some of the latest developments in the crypto world. They share their thoughts on a controversial ECB paper about Bitcoin, breaking down why they believe the authors missed the mark. They also dive into the rising institutional interest in spot Bitcoin ETFs and how Trump’s momentum in the polls could impact the market, especially for altcoins. Plus, the conversation explores the significance of Bitcoin ETF options and why they could have a larger impact than many expect. Show highlights: Why the guys believe that the ECB paper on Bitcoin is a joke How the Minneapolis Fed report said that prohibiting Bitcoin would allow the government to operate at permanent deficits  The institutional demand for spot bitcoin ETFs How Trump has been rising in the polls and what the Trump trade looks like at the moment Whether polls and Poylmarket bets on the U.S. elections are manipulated How the Fed is putting more focus on jobs than inflation When the bitcoin ETF options might launch and which issuers will get it first How memecoins succeed and the rise of AI memecoins like GOAT, fueled by the AI bot truth_terminal What the $1.1 billion acquisition by Stripe of stablecoin company Bridge means  Why Donald Trump’s World Liberty Financial token sale was a flop Sponsors: Gemini Stellar  Hosts: James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard Joe McCann, Founder, CEO, and CIO of Asymmetric Guest: Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise Links ECB paper on bitcoin: Bitcoin Appreciation Could Be ‘Fuelling The Division Of Society’ Omid Malekan’s rebuttal to the paper by Bindseil & Schaaf (of the ECB) Minneapolis Fed report: Unique Implementation of Permanent Primary Deficits? | Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Alex Kruger’s tweet on memecoins  Alex Thorn’s tweet on bitcoin adjusted by inflation Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 03:08 Why the ECB’s Bitcoin paper missed the mark 10:17 Political motivations behind the Minneapolis Fed report on Bitcoin 14:18 Rising institutional demand for spot Bitcoin ETFs 21:38 How Trump’s poll momentum could impact crypto 32:14 Are election polls and Polymarket bets manipulated? 43:36 Why the Fed is prioritizing jobs over inflation 52:37 When will Bitcoin ETF options launch? 1:01:08 What makes memecoins, including AI memecoins like GOAT, succeed? 1:13:00 The significance of Stripe’s $1.1 billion crypto deal 1:18:02 Why the WLFI token sale was a “flop” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

October started with hopes for “Uptober”—a positive price trajectory in October—in the Bitcoin community, since, historically, Bitcoin has performed well this month. But things took a turn when geopolitical tensions in the Middle East escalated, raising concerns about how that could affect Bitcoin’s price this month.  In this episode, André Dragosch, European Head of Research at Bitwise, talks about how Bitcoin typically responds to geopolitical shocks, whether this could present a buying opportunity, and how major events like the U.S. elections might shape Bitcoin’s future. Show highlights: How Bitcoin’s reacted to the geopolitical escalations Why André believes this is a buying opportunity How there was a macro capitulation after the beginning of the unwind of the Japan carry trade in August Whether Bitcoin can truly act as a safe haven asset How the clientele of ETFs have changed the market structure for Bitcoin Whether ‘Uptober’ is canceled How Andre expects Bitcoin will perform depending on the winner of the U.S. elections Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot Mantle’s FBTC Guest André Dragosch, European Head of Research at Bitwise Bitcoin as a Safe-Haven: Hedging Against Geopolitical Risks Links Previous coverage of Unchained on the recent market movements:: Investors Ditch Bitcoin, Scoop Up Gold, as Iran-Israel Tensions Escalate $500 Million Liquidated From Crypto Markets Cools ‘Uptober’ Enthusiasm Unchained:  Bitwise CIO Matt Hougan’s thread on how bitcoin & gold have performed BlackRock’s bitcoin report  Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:14 How Bitcoin's price reacts to geopolitical tensions 03:17 Whether this could be a buying opportunity 08:54 Macro capitulation after the start of the Japan carry trade unwind 11:02Can Bitcoin act as a safe haven asset? 16:12 How ETFs have changed Bitcoin's market structure 20:28 Is ‘Uptober’ canceled? 24:17 Bitcoin’s future based on U.S. election outcomes 28:45 News Recap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

André Dragosch

European Head of Research

Bitwise Asset Management

In this episode, David Kalk of Reflexive Capital and Jeff Park of Bitwise explore the critical role of psychology in crypto trading. They argue that mastering one's emotions and biases is the key to outperforming in the highly volatile and reflexive crypto markets. They unpack the limitations of traditional venture approaches, the potential for liquid strategies, and why psychological resilience may be the most valuable edge in today's crypto landscape. They share their perspectives on managing trading psychology, adapting to market regimes, and the future of institutional crypto investing. - - Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross and David Canellis. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts Follow David: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidkalk/ Follow Jeff: https://x.com/dgt10011 Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santiago: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - The 6th edition of Meridian, a web3 conference hosted by the Stellar Development Foundation is happening in London, England October 15-17, 2024. Learn more and get your early-bird priced tickets now at meridian.stellar.org by using the code BLOCKWORKSPOD. - - Avalanche is a smart contracts platform that scales infinitely and regularly finalizes transactions in less than one second. Its novel consensus protocol, Subnet infrastructure, and HyperSDK toolkit enable Web3 developers to easily launch powerful, custom blockchain solutions. Build anything you want, any way you want, on the eco-friendly blockchain designed for Web3 devs. Start building today at https://www.avax.network/ - - Harpie sets the standard in on-chain security, actively monitoring and safeguarding your crypto wallet against theft in real time. It detects, blocks, and recovers stolen assets from risky transactions before they execute, shielding you from even the most advanced hacks and scams. Harpie is free to use and compatible with all Ethereum, Base, Polygon, and Arbitrum wallets. Protect your crypto today at harpie.io. - - Renaud Partners has built the most elite network of native crypto marketers globally. They create custom, expert teams to support founders with transformative strategy work. If you’re a founder or a VC looking for support for your teams, head on over to RenaudPartners.com or give their co-founder Geoff a follow on x at https://x.com/ReoffGenaud - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (02:58) David & Jeff Intros (06:03) Crypto's Liquid Inefficient Market (25:07) LP Priorities (29:24) Liquid vs Private Markets (31:57) Value of Psychological Edge (44:29) Stellar Ad (45:17) Invisible North Ad (46:12) Avalanche Ad (47:09) Harpie Ad (48:01) Navigating Market Environment (01:03:37) Managing Emotions in Markets (01:12:29) Is Crypto Worth it? - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

David Kalk

Portfolio Manager

VanEckRCReflexive Capital

Jeff Park

Head of Alpha Strategies

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Matt Hogan of Bitwise breaks down why crypto ETFs could be the catalyst for new all-time highs in 2024. He dissects institutional adoption trends, the potential impact of the U.S. election on crypto regulations, and strategies for positioning a portfolio this cycle. Discover why Bitcoin might hit $100K by the end of 2024, Ethereum could reach new heights, and how the crypto landscape is transforming with Wall Street's embrace. You don't want to miss this one! - - Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross and David Canellis. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts Follow Matt: https://twitter.com/Matt_Hougan Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santiago: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Anoma is the universal intent machine, introducing a new era of applications where you define the outcomes you want. Anoma’s intent-centric architecture provides a universal operating system for building intent-centric apps compatible with any blockchain. Anoma vastly improves blockchain UX, enables novel applications, and promotes a more human-centric future for decentralized technology. Follow Anoma at x.com/anoma and signup for the newsletter at anoma.net - - Avalanche is a smart contracts platform that scales infinitely and regularly finalizes transactions in less than one second. Its novel consensus protocol, Subnet infrastructure, and HyperSDK toolkit enable Web3 developers to easily launch powerful, custom blockchain solutions. Build anything you want, any way you want, on the eco-friendly blockchain designed for Web3 devs. Start building today at https://www.avax.network/ - - re.al is the permissionless L2 for tokenized RWAs built on Arbitrum Orbit and the first L2 to return chain and protocol fees back to users, in reETH, ensuring they benefit from ecosystem growth. re.al has just launched a fully-transparent rewards (points) program returning 10% of $RWA supply to early users. Not investment advice or product solicitation and not aimed at US persons. https://re.al/rewards/airdrop/O4UNU - - Cronos zkEVM has launched its Pioneer Program,offering early users loyalty points for engaging with Cronos zkEVM & its dapps. Join the first quest by depositing CRO in the Cronos zkEVM bridge to receive zkCRO & loyalty points at mainnet launch, as well as a chance to win a part of a $30,000 zkCRO giveaway by depositing in the bridge. Visit zkevm.cronos.org/bridge for more info — Timestamps: (02:060 ETH ETF Expectations (06:24) ETF Demand & Interests (14:32) Diversified Crypto Portfolio (20:24) When Institutions Buy BTC? (25:31) What's Next for ETFs? (29:04) Anoma ad (30:05) Re.al Ad (31:05) Cronos Ad (32:03) Ava Labs Ad (33:02) Election Impact on Crypto (37:18) The Crypto Native Portfolio (39:08) Ethereum's NASDAQ Trojan Horse (48:18) Why aren't Prices at ATH Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

The ETH ETFs have officially launched, but wen $ETH moon?  We saw $1.1B in volume and $100M in inflows yesterday. Is that good? When will this factor into price? Matt Hougan, CIO of Bitwise joins Ryan and David midway through the show to go over the above and also how the ETH ETF launch went, predictions going forward, and much more.  ------ 🍵MATCHA | NEW PRICING ENGINE https://go.0x.org/matcha-v2-pod   ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2    ⁠  🦄UNISWAP | BROWSER EXTENSION https://bankless.cc/uniswap  ⚡️ FUEL | EARN FUEL POINTS https://bankless.cc/fuel  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle    ⚖️ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM ⁠https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum  🗣️TOKU | CRYPTO EMPLOYMENT  https://bankless.cc/toku  ------ TIMESTAMPS & RESOURCES 0:00 Intro 2:35 ETH ETF Launch https://x.com/EricBalchunas/status/1815489137484722333  https://x.com/JSeyff/status/1815422061365305494  https://x.com/NateGeraci/status/1815487451726499864  https://x.com/Ashcryptoreal/status/1815677145810649151  https://x.com/JSeyff/status/1815737082129650047  https://x.com/RadarHits/status/1815674577726406748   https://x.com/JSeyff/status/1815737643948286104  https://x.com/BitwiseInvest/status/1815486131376370002  https://x.com/BitwiseInvest/status/1815716188447482341  https://x.com/QuintenFrancois/status/1815624631115460662  https://x.com/BitwiseInvest/status/1815486261337182504  https://x.com/VitalikButerin/status/1815697566614655158  6:44 Matt Hougan Interview https://x.com/JSeyff/status/1815958023317205232  https://x.com/NateGeraci/status/1815885624467210263  https://x.com/JSeyff/status/1815958023317205232  33:02 Grayscale & Grayscale Minitrust: Wen Moon?  https://x.com/JSeyff/status/1814347183522754773  https://x.com/Grayscale/status/1815688403381531021  https://x.com/NateGeraci/status/1815556927918600209  38:40 Hildobby Dune Board WIP https://dune.com/hildobby/eth-etfs  39:31 Bitcoin ETF Flows https://x.com/News_Of_Alpha/status/1815532026486776288  https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1815713932453028059  41:16 Bullish Setup Going into the Rollup tomorrow https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1815390176132186202  https://x.com/DeItaone/status/1815813380256719213  https://x.com/DavidFBailey/status/1815848521205178404  44:00 Closing & Disclaimers ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures ⁠

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Is the Ethereum ETF Bullish for ETH? Matt Hougan and Alex Thorn put together their own analysis of inflows for the ETH ETF. Remarkably, their numbers came in somewhere close to the same place. We discussed how much demand there will be for the ETH ETF, whether or not it will overperform or underperform expectations and the overall state of the Crypto Market today. ------ ✨ Mint the episode on Zora ✨ https://zora.co/collect/zora:0x0c294913a7596b427add7dcbd6d7bbfc7338d53f/24?referrer=0x077Fe9e96Aa9b20Bd36F1C6290f54F8717C5674E  ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 2:18 When ETH ETF? 7:16 Data Gathering Process 13:59 The BTC ETF Datapoint 24:17 Estimating ETH ETF Inflows 42:19 Price Impact 52:36 The ETH ETF Bear Case 1:03:14 Solana ETF? 1:05:44 The State of the Market 1:13:53 Closing & Disclaimers ------ RESOURCES Matt Hougan https://x.com/matt_hougan   Alex Thorn https://x.com/intangiblecoins   Bitwise https://bitwiseinvestments.com/   Galaxy Digital https://www.galaxy.com/   ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

Alex Thorn

Head of Research

Galaxy DigitalGalaxy

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

✨ Mint the episode on Zora ✨ https://zora.co/collect/zora:0x0c294913a7596b427add7dcbd6d7bbfc7338d53f/5  ------ Matt Hougan is the CIO at Bitwise, and has been one of the best people to talk to when it comes to understanding the ETF process, and the impact of ETFs on the crypto markets.  Today we dive into the specifics on what exactly the ETF approval means for ETH. ------ 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24  https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium  ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2    ⁠  🔗CELO | CEL2 COMING SOON https://bankless.cc/Celo  🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  🗣️TOKU | CRYPTO EMPLOYMENT SOLUTION https://bankless.cc/toku    ⚖️ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM ⁠https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum   🌐 CARTESI | LINUX-POWERED ROLLUPS https://bankless.cc/CartesiGovernance  ------ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro 05:46 What Exactly Happened? 08:45 Was This Really Political? 12:11 Who's Responsible For This 16:46 Next Steps For ETF 20:36 Matt's ETF Story 22:44 ETF Price Impact 27:38 ETF Inflow Predictions 34:50 Explaining The ETH Narrative 38:23 Matt's 2 Minute Pitch 45:12 How Bitwise's Job Changes 49:01 ETH Charts 54:31 Legislation ------ RESOURCES Matt on X: https://x.com/Matt_Hougan  ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Just when everyone thought that spot Ether ETFs were going to be denied on Thursday, news broke Monday that they are now likely to be approved, with Bloomberg analysts tripling their odds to a 75% chance of approval.  Eric Balchunas, senior ETF analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence, and Matt Hougan, CIO at Bitwise Asset Management, say this reversal definitely has to do with politics, citing the fight of Staff Accounting Bulletin 121, a rule that was unfriendly to financial institutions wanting to engage with crypto.  Plus, they delve into the reasons why Michael Sonnenshein stepped down as CEO of Grayscale after 10 years (hint: it has to do with GBTC), what the 13F filings revealed about who’s been buying the spot bitcoin ETFs since the beginning of the year, and what Vanguard’s incoming CEO, Salim Ramji, who was instrumental to getting BlackRock to launch its Bitcoin ETF, could mean for crypto’s future at the asset management firm. Show highlights: Why Eric believes the ether ETFs will be approved Why Matt thinks the Bitcoin ETFs set off a "complete sea change in Washington around crypto" Whether the spot Ether ETFs will be approved with or without staking Who the authorized participants and other behind-the-scenes players in the ether ETFs will be When the ETH ETFs could start trading and why Eric believes they won't be as successful as Bitcoin ETFs What the 13F filings revealed about the spot Bitcoin ETFs buyers and why their identities are "stunning" Why Michael Sonnenshein stepped down as CEO of Grayscale Grayscale’s new mini ETF, BTC Whether Vanguard's new CEO appointment could mean a change in attitude by the asset management firm towards crypto What a buffered ETF is and why they could be significant Matt's prediction for the BTC price Their outlook on the future of ETFs and developments in the space Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Polkadot VaultCraft Guests: Matt Hougan, Chief Investment Officer at Bitwise Asset Management Previous appearances on Unchained:  How Small Bitcoin ETF Issuers Will Compete With the Likes of BlackRock Why a Spot Bitcoin ETF Will Probably Launch No Later Than January 10 Eric Balchunas, Senior ETF Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Previous appearances on Unchained: How, in 7 Weeks, Bitcoin ETFs Reached Inflows That Took Gold ETFs 3 Years Why Spot Bitcoin ETFs Are Likely to Finally Start Trading on Thursday Will a Spot Bitcoin ETF Finally Get Approved? Links Ether ETFs Unchained: Analysts Up Odds of Spot Ether ETF to 75% as Prometheum Launches Product That Treats ETH as a Security CoinDesk: Ether ETFs Filing Process Sees Abrupt Progress, Though Approval Not Guaranteed: Sources The Block: Fidelity files amended S-1 registration statement, removing staking rewards from prospective Ethereum ETF SAB 121 Bloomberg: As Bitcoin Rallies, Banks Are Pushing US Regulators to Change Crypto Guidance  Unchained: Senate Votes to Kill SAB 121 Custody Bill: How Crypto Became So Political 13F Filings Unchained: Large Institutions Betting Big on Bitcoin ETFs Revealed in SEC Filings Leadership changes CoinDesk: Grayscale CEO Michael Sonnenshein Steps Down, to Be Replaced by TradFi Veteran WSJ: Meet Salim Ramji, Who Is Going to Oversee the Retirement Assets of Tens of Millions of Americans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Eric Balchunas

Senior ETF Analyst

BloombergBloomberg Intelligence

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

The Bitcoin ETF was a huge win for Crypto. What’s next? Will an Ethereum ETF be approved? We brought Matt Hougan & Ryan Rasmussen of Bitwise to explore exactly that.  We go through what made the BTC ETF so successful, what we need to replicate the process for Ethereum and what comes after the ETH ETF. ------ 📣 PERMISSIONLESS III | BUY TICKETS NOW  Bankless Citizens get 30% off: https://www.bankless.com/tools/perks  Use BANKLESS10 for 10% off: https://bankless.cc/PermissionlessIII  ------ 🎧 SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24  https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium  ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🐙KRAKEN | MOST-TRUSTED CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://k.xyz/bankless-pod-q2    ⁠  🔗CELO | CEL2 COMING SOON https://bankless.cc/Celo    🗣️TOKU | CRYPTO EMPLOYMENT SOLUTION https://bankless.cc/toku    🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle  💸 CRYPTO TAX CALCULATOR | USE CODE BANK30 https://bankless.cc/CTC  🦄 UNISWAP | SWAP SMARTER https://bankless.cc/uniswap  ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 6:50 Bitcoin ETFs So Far 10:40 BTC ETF 2nd Acceleration 22:56 Crypto Default Allocation 26:31 Who’s Buying the BTC ETF? 28:59 Bitcoin vs Gold 36:46 When ETH ETF? 46:39 Forces at Play 53:25 ETH ETF Derivatives 58:38 ETH ETF Price Impact 1:02:10 ETH Narratives 1:08:31 What’s Next 1:12:02 Closing Thoughts ------ RESOURCES Matt Hougan https://twitter.com/Matt_Hougan  Ryan Rasmussen https://twitter.com/RasterlyRock   Bitwise https://bitwiseinvestments.com/   ------ Not financial or tax advice. This channel is strictly educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any assets or to make any financial decisions. This video is not tax advice. Talk to your accountant. Do your own research. Disclosure. From time-to-time I may add links in this newsletter to products I use. I may receive commission if you make a purchase through one of these links. Additionally, the Bankless writers hold crypto assets. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Ryan Rasmussen

Head of Research

Bitwise Asset Management

Matthew Hougan is the Chief Investment Officer for Bitwise — one of several asset managers to recently launch a spot Bitcoin ETF. In this episode, Hougan shares his inside perspective on how market participants are reacting to the new spot Bitcoin ETFs, and why he believes we're not yet at the "sweet spot of demand" for the new products. OUTLINE 00:00 Introduction 05:46 Crypto & Wall Street 09:55 BTC ETF Launch Analysis 13:26 ETF Provider Competition 19:51 ETF Trading Mechanics 23:55 RIA BTC Sales Pitch 28:18 Portfolio Construction 30:15 Looking Forward 32:32 Exotic Crypto ETFs

Matthew Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset Management

In today's episode Jason is joined by ETF celebrities Eric Balchunas, a senior ETF analyst at Bloomberg, and Matt Hougan, Chief Investment Officer for Bitwise Asset Management. They start off by discussing the criticisms around underwhelming trading volumes and put the declines in GBTC into context. Discussion then leads to an inside scoop on how authorized participants source liquidity for the ETF and the real costs involved in running these funds. They also dive into how advisors are rethinking portfolio construction given crypto’s changing risk profile and the potential impacts on Bitcoin price. To close out they discuss the potential timing of an Ethereum ETF approval. Enjoy! - - Wormhole is a decentralized interoperability platform powering multi-chain applications and bridges. It provides developers with access to liquidity and users on over 30 leading blockchain networks, enabling use cases in DeFi, data queries, and governance. The platform is trusted by teams like Uniswap and Circle and, to date, the platform has facilitated the transfer of over 35 billion dollars through over 850 million cross-chain messages. Claim your unique Wormhole NFT at https://wormhole.com/empire1/ - - Send your crypto to your PayPal account, swap it for PYUSD, and use it to checkout at millions of stores. Pay how you want by getting started at: https://blckwrks.co/PYUSD - - Join us at DAS (Digital Asset Summit) in London this March! DAS is the #1 institutional conference in crypto, hosted by Blockworks. Use the link below to learn more, and use EMPIRE10 to get 10% off your ticket! Sign up now because the price goes up every month. See you there! Learn more + get your ticket here: https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2024-london/home - - Follow Matt: https://twitter.com/Matt_Hougan Follow Eric: https://twitter.com/EricBalchunas Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santiago: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Timestamps: (01:46) The ETF Guys & Free Milkshakes (04:05) BTC ETF Underwhelming? (12:13) The ETF Launch Process (18:49) Costs of an ETF Service (22:10) What does Buying an ETF Mean? (30:31) Wormhole Ad (31:57) Paypal Ad (32:55) Impact of ETF Flows on Bitcoin Price (36:56) Role of Bitcoin in Portfolios (47:15) Eth ETF Predictions - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Eric Balchunas

Senior ETF Analyst

BloombergBloomberg Intelligence

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Thursday was a momentous day in crypto as the first SEC-approved spot Bitcoin ETFs finally began trading after more than a decade of waiting, and by almost all accounts, it was a huge success, with more than $625 million in inflows on the first day of trading.  Bitwise CIO Matt Hougan and VanEck head of digital assets research Matthew Sigel joined Unchained to discuss their approaches towards selling their products in the market, the challenges of competing with larger firms like BlackRock and Fidelity, the fee wars and where those are headed, the importance of specialist expertise in the crypto investment space, and how Bitcoin prices might react to all the new supply in the market.  Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Fountain, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Pandora, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights: Why Matt Hougan regards the first week as a massive success for Bitcoin How Matthew Sigel emphasizes the costs and benefits ETFs offer to retail investors The strategic marketing approaches of VanEck and Bitwise aligning with Bitcoin community values The reasons for Bitwise's standout performance in the first days of trading, according to Matt Whether the introduction of Bitcoin ETFs will reshape the broader ETF landscape Matt's perspective on why some financial institutions resist Bitcoin, and their eventual openness to crypto Whether the established players in finance feel threatened by the rise of open source technologies Whether Gary Gensler’s statement after the approval is “totally crazy” Why data for the various ETFs in the market should be analyzed on a weekly or monthly basis The ongoing fee competition and how smaller entities can compete against giants like BlackRock and Fidelity Grayscale's strategies to remain competitive with higher fees and the possibility of launching a new, low-fee ETF How investment advisors might adapt to these new crypto products and the potential for mainstream adoption Matthew’s predictions for when BTC investors, both short-term and long-term, will take profits Why they are both closely monitoring Ethereum's performance and the prospects for a spot ether ETF in the market Thank you to our sponsors! Arbitrum Foundation Popcorn Network Guests: Matt Hougan, Chief Investment Officer at Bitwise Asset Management Previous appearances on Unchained: Why a Spot Bitcoin ETF Will Probably Launch No Later Than January 10 Matthew Sigel, Head of Digital Assets Research at VanEck. Links Previous coverage of Unchained on spot Bitcoin ETFs: Why Some Brokerage Firms Are Blocking Access to Spot Bitcoin ETFs Why Spot Bitcoin ETFs Are Likely to Finally Start Trading on Thursday  Why the SEC May Want Cash Creation of Spot Bitcoin ETFs Why It Looks Like BlackRock Could Win America’s First Spot Bitcoin ETF Will a Spot Bitcoin ETF Finally Get Approved? The 4 Factors That Will Determine Which Spot Bitcoin ETFs Win Market Share How Much Money Will Flow Into Bitcoin ETFs? Here’s One Projection Approval: Unchained:  Spot Bitcoin ETFs Finally Receive SEC Seal of Approval What Officials, ETF Issuers, and Others Are Saying About the SEC's Spot Bitcoin ETF Approvals Laura Shin’s op-ed on Unchained: Why Spot Bitcoin ETFs Are (But Mostly Aren't) a Big Deal for Crypto David Z. Morris’ op-ed on Unchained: The SEC’s Bumbling Bitcoin ETF Rollout Was Perfectly On-Brand First days of trading Unchained:  Spot Bitcoin ETFs Record $4.6 Billion First Day Trading Volume Spot Bitcoin ETF Inflows Topped $625 Million on First Day in ‘Phenomenal’ Debut, Led by Bitwise Vanguard Isn’t Allowing Customers to Buy Spot Bitcoin ETFs Visit Unchained for more links and details Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise

Matthew Sigel

Head of Digital Assets Research

VanEck

Matt Hougan is the CIO of Bitwise, which is a crypto index fund manager and one of the issuers of Bitcoin ETFs. Hougan is a renowned figure in the financial sector, known for his expertise in cryptocurrency and exchange-traded funds (ETFs). In our conversation we get into Matt's initial reaction to the BTC ETF launch, the expected inflows for 2024, and the often underestimated impacts of these developments. We also discuss unique Vanguard's stance, the evolution of Bitcoin ETFs, why Bitwise maintains the lowest fees, Matt Hougan's background, possibility of Ethereum ETFs, and the growing understanding of Ethereum in traditional finance. Finally, we touch upon the centralization risks of Bitcoin, the future of Bitcoin ETFs, and Bitcoin price forecast. 0:00 Intro 0:46 Initial thoughts on BTC ETF launch 2:17 Inflows for 2024 4:37 Underestimated impact 8:11 Vanguard is goofy 9:40 Self sovereignty 12:30 History of Bitcoin ETFs 16:53 Why Bitwise has the lowest fees 20:20 Matt Hougan's background 23:10 ETF hate 26:45 Crypto ETFs 29:08 Ethereum ETF 31:07 TradFi understand Ethereum better than Bitcoin 36:30 Normalizing Bitcoin 42:00 Centralization risk of Bitcoin 45:47 What's next for Bitcoin ETFs 47:20 We're in a bull market 48:40 Bitcoin price forecast ✨ Check out our new website ✨ https://thedefiant.io/ 🚀 Sign up to our newsletter 🚀 https://thedefiant.io/go-premium#pricing?utm_source=YT&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=signup 🤑 Find DeFi investment opportunities & educational primers here https://thedefiant.io/promo?utm_source=YT&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=alpha ✊ Follow The Defiant Twitter: https://twitter.com/defiantnews Discord: https://discord.com/invite/3SdRdEs5ag Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedefiant.io/ Telegram: https://t.me/DefiantNews 📬 Contact our Newsroom editorial@thedefiant.io 🤝 Sponsorships & Partnerships sponsors@thedefiant.io

Matt Hougan

Chief Investment Officer

Bitwise Asset ManagementBitwise