The case for breaking up Google has never been stronger
Today we’re talking about the very real possibility that Google might be broken up by the United States government. And to do that, I’m talking to Jonathan Kanter, the former assistant attorney general for antitrust under the Biden administration. Kanter left the DOJ after Trump was elected, but he was the architect of the major antitrust cases the Trump administration continues to pursue against Google. That means he’s much more free to share his thoughts on what it took to build and win both of these cases and what should happen next.
Links:
Google loses ad tech monopoly case | Verge
Google is in more danger than ever of being broken up | Verge
OpenAI tells judge it would buy Chrome from Google | Verge
The high stakes of Google’s monopoly trial | Verge
DOJ says Google must sell Chrome to crack open search monopoly | Verge
Google makes history with rapid-fire antitrust losses | NYT
Read the antitrust ruling against Google | NYT
Google ad monopoly ruling's surprise winner: OpenAI | Axios
DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict | Decoder
DOJ’s Kanter says the antitrust fight against Big Tech is just beginning | Decoder
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Stock Market Sell-Off, Google Antitrust Verdict, and Guest Jonathan Kanter
Kara and Scott discuss the global stock market sell-off, and why people shouldn't panic. Then, Berkshire Hathaway unloads nearly half of its stake in Apple as the company's cash stockpile increases, and what's behind the reported growing tensions between Warren Buffett and Bill Gates. Plus, Donald Trump ditches the previously scheduled ABC debate, and insists on Fox News or nothing. Our Friend of Pivot is Jonathan Kanter, the Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department's Antitrust Division. Jonathan gives his immediate reaction to the landmark Google antitrust ruling, and explains the repercussions for tech and beyond.
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DOJ’s Jonathan Kanter says the antitrust fight against Big Tech is just beginning
Today, I’m talking with Jonathan Kanter, the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the Antitrust Division at the Department of Justice. Alongside FTC chair Lina Khan, Jonathan is one of the most prominent figures in the big shift happening in competition and antitrust in the United States. This is a fun episode: we taped this conversation live on stage at the Digital Content Next conference in Charleston, South Carolina a few days ago, so you’ll hear the audience, which was a group of fancy media company executives.
You’ll also hear me joke about Google a few times; fancy media execs are very interested in the cases the DOJ has brought against Google for monopolizing search and advertising tech — and Jonathan was very good at not commenting about pending litigation. But he did have a lot to say about the state of tech regulation, he and Khan’s track record so far, and why he thinks the concepts they’re pushing forward are more accessible than they’ve ever been.
Links:
The top Biden lawyer with his sights on Apple and Google — Politico
Judge blocks a merger of Penguin Random House and Simon & Schuster — NYT
FTC’s Khan and DOJ’s Kanter beat back deals at fastest clip in decades — Bloomberg
Google will face another antitrust trial September 9th, this time over ad tech — The Verge
In the Google antitrust trial, defaults are everything and nobody likes Bing — The Verge
Google Search, Chrome, and Android are all changing thanks to EU antitrust law — The Verge
Aggregation Theory — Stratechery
Adobe explains why it abandoned the Figma deal — The Verge
How the EU’s DMA is changing Big Tech — The Verge
Epic Games CEO calls out Apple’s DMA rules as ‘malicious compliance’ — TechCrunch
Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23831914
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DOJ's Jonathan Kanter on the Bidenomics Approach to Antitrust
A key plank of the Biden administration's "Bidenomics" involves stronger antitrust enforcement and we've seen the White House empower agencies like the Department of Justice to step up actions on monopolies and other behaviors that reduce competition. But what exactly counts as anti-competitive nowadays? And how does promoting competition sit alongside the administration's more proactive public investment and industrial policies? In this episode, we speak with Jonathan Kanter, assistant attorney general for the Antitrust Division at the DOJ, about how he's thinking about these issues. We also talk competition in banking after a wave of consolidation in the space, as well as new challenges posed by Big Tech and artificial intelligence.
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BONUS: Hard Fork Live! Big Tech’s Arch Nemesis + Bot, or Not?
Jonathan Kanter, who heads up the Justice Department’s antitrust division, believes that antitrust laws are critical for innovation — from ad tech to A.I. The assistant attorney general is bringing a new philosophy to enforcing those laws. So, how is his new approach to protecting competition playing out?
Plus: Can you guess whether that was a bot, or not?
On today’s episode:
Jonathan Kanter is the assistant attorney general for the Justice Department’s antitrust division.
Additional reading:
Jonathan Kanter has long been a critic of big tech.
The Justice Department has accused Google of abusing a monopoly over online advertising.
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Meta Shakes Off the FTC, and AAG Jonathan Kanter takes on Google
The Fed eases up on the brakes, Elon Musk looks for new ways to monetize Twitter, and Snap has another rough quarter. Also: Meta may have prevailed in a fight with the FTC. Today’s Friend of Pivot is Jonathan Kanter, Assistant Attorney General for the Antitrust Division at the DOJ. He stops by to discuss Google, antitrust, and his agency's fight against monopolies.
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