What Did Men Do to Deserve This? — with Jonathan Haidt and Richard Reeves
Scott Galloway speaks with Jonathan Haidt and Richard Reeves about why so many young men are struggling today.
They discuss how technology, education, and economic shifts have changed the path to adulthood, why boys need structure and challenge to develop, and what it will take to rebuild purpose and opportunity for the next generation.
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Jonathan Haidt | The All-In Interview
(0:00) New format: The All-In Interview!
(0:59) Jonathan Haidt joins Jason and Friedberg: broader themes of his work, gamification and supercharged social media
(12:39) Understanding how humans are wired from an evolutionary biology perspective
(27:22) Haidt's proposals to help younger generations
(33:12) Linking themes and trends in Haidt's books with recent college protests
(48:17) Explaining traditional liberalism and conservatism
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How Smartphones & Social Media Impact Mental Health & the Realistic Solutions | Dr. Jonathan Haidt
In this episode, my guest is Dr. Jonathan Haidt, Ph.D., professor of social psychology at New York University and bestselling author on how technology and culture impact the psychology and health of kids, teens, and adults. We discuss the dramatic rise of suicide, depression, and anxiety as a result of replacing a play-based childhood with smartphones, social media, and video games.
He explains how a screen-filled childhood leads to challenges in psychological development that negatively impact learning, resilience, identity, cooperation, and conflict resolution — all of which are crucial skills for future adult relationships and career success. We also discuss how phones and social media impact boys and girls differently and the underlying neurobiological mechanisms of how smartphones alter basic brain plasticity and function.
Dr. Haidt explains his four recommendations for healthier smartphone use in kids, and we discuss how to restore childhood independence and play in the current generation.
This is an important topic for everyone, young or old, parents and teachers, students and families, to be aware of in order to understand the potential mental health toll of smartphone use and to apply tools to foster skill-building and reestablish healthy norms for our kids.
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00:00:00 Dr. Jonathan Haidt
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00:06:23 Great Rewiring of Childhood: Technology, Smartphones & Social Media
00:12:48 Mental Health Trends: Boys, Girls & Smartphones
00:16:26 Smartphone Usage, Play-Based to Phone-Based Childhood
00:20:40 The Tragedy of Losing Play-Based Childhood
00:28:13 Sponsor: AG1
00:30:02 Girls vs. Boys, Interests & Trapping Kids
00:37:31 “Effectance,” Systems & Relationships, Animals
00:41:47 Boys Sexual Development, Dopamine Reinforcement & Pornography
00:49:19 Boys, Courtship, Chivalry & Technology; Gen Z Development
00:55:24 Play & Low-Stakes Mistakes, Video Games & Social Media, Conflict Resolution
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01:01:23 Social Media, Trolls, Performance
01:06:47 Dynamic Subordination, Hierarchy, Boys
01:10:15 Girls & Perfectionism, Social Media & Performance
01:14:00 Phone-Based Childhood & Brain Development, Critical Periods
01:21:15 Puberty & Sensitive Periods, Culture & Identity
01:23:55 Brain Development & Puberty; Identity; Social Media, Learning & Reward
01:33:37 Tool: 4 Recommendations for Smartphone Use in Kids
01:41:48 Changing Childhood Norms, Policies & Legislature
01:49:13 Summer Camp, Team Sports, Religion, Music
01:54:36 Boredom, Addiction & Smartphones; Tool: “Awe Walks”
02:03:14 Casino Analogy & Ceding Childhood; Social Media Content
02:09:33 Adult Behavior; Tool: Meals & Phones
02:11:45 Regaining Childhood Independence; Tool: Family Groups & Phones
02:16:09 Screens & Future Optimism, Collective Action, KOSA Bill
02:24:52 Zero-Cost Support, Spotify & Apple Reviews, YouTube Feedback, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter
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Kids and Phones: Moral Panic or Time to Panic? with Jonathan Haidt
Is Gen Z’s mental health in decline because their “phone-based childhood” has flooded them with anxiety and ruined their sleep? Or is there a more complex mix of factors at play? Jonathan Haidt makes his case for the former explanation in his latest book, The Anxious Generation.
While many people intuitively agree with his argument that phones and social media are ruining kids, some researchers are accusing Haidt of coming up with a grand overarching theory that isn’t supported by the data. Kara brings the moral psychologist and NYU professor onto the podcast to discuss his ideas, the criticism he’s gotten, and his proposed solutions to the problem.
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The Hidden Dangers Of Social Media On Mental Health - Jonathan Haidt - #766
Jonathan Haidt is a Professor at New York University’s Stern School of Business, social psychologist, and an author.
The kids are not alright. Mental health is plummeting while anxiety and depression is on the rise. Just what are the contributing elements? Is it social media? Helicopter parenting? 24 hour news? Or something else?
Expect to learn why every generation complains about the next one, what is so important about the development of kids between 8 and 12 years old, what the biggest problem is with test scores in primary school children, the real harm of technology on kids, why words like ‘trigger’ and ‘fragility’ are such a problem, if there is a way to do identity politics well and much more...
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Timestamps:
(00:00) The Uniqueness of the New Generation
(01:10) What Does a Good Childhood Look Like?
(07:06) Changes in Parenting Styles
(10:59) Lack of Discipline in Modern Parenting
(15:16) The Importance of Risk in Play
(20:47) Is the Education System Ruining Kids?
(27:16) The Problem With Ideological Academia
(30:45) Latest Data on Social Media’s Impact
(38:47) Primary Harms of Technology on Kids
(46:12) Is Social Media Use Addiction or Compulsion?
(49:48) How Boys & Girls Use Technology Differently
(56:46) The Male Sedation Hypothesis
(1:02:37) Are Gen-Z Bothered About Status?
(1:12:34) Latest Data on Female Mental Health
(1:17:31) Why is Anxiety the Most Prevalent Feeling?
(1:21:11) How We Solve the Teen Mental Health Crisis
(1:28:04) Where to Find Jonathan
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Conversation with Jonathan Haidt — The Kids Are Not Alright
Jonathan Haidt, a professor of ethical leadership and bestselling author, joins Scott to discuss his latest book, “The Anxious Generation: How The Great Rewiring Of Childhood Is Causing An Epidemic Of Mental Illness.” We hear about how nations have ended up in this situation and the reforms he’s outlined for leaders and parents.
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Scott opens with his lesson on crisis management.
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Justice Dept. Sues Apple + Smartphones and Children with Jonathan Haidt + Reddit’s IPO
This week, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Apple, saying the company holds a monopoly over the smartphone market. We break down the lawsuit and ask whether it will be a major turning point in Apple’s dominance. Then, Jonathan Haidt, a social psychologist, argues that smartphones and social media are the cause of widespread increases in mental health issues among young people. He tells us his four potential solutions to the problem. And finally, Reddit’s market capitalization hit $9.2 billion when it debuted on the New York Stock Exchange this week, but the company still isn’t making money. We talk about the challenges Reddit faces as it goes public, and how the site may change as a result.
Today’s guest:
Jonathan Haidt, author of “The Anxious Generation”
Additional Reading:
U.S. Sues Apple, Accusing It of Maintaining an iPhone Monopoly
End the Phone-Based Childhood Now
Reddit’s I.P.O. Is a Content Moderation Success Story
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Crypto Chaos, Meta Layoffs, Musk Mania, and Guest Jonathan Haidt
Kara and Scott dissect what the FTX meltdown means for cryptocurrency, Meta's layoffs, and how the midterms might impact big tech. Friend of Pivot Jonathan Haidt stops by to talk about the impacts of social media on teens and society. And hours after our regular taping, we dragged Scott out of a fancy London bar to record an updated reaction to the latest Twitter news: Elon Musk was warning of a possible Twitter bankruptcy, while top executives were jumping ship.
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Is Social Media Making Our Society Stupid? — With Jonathan Haidt
Jonathan Haidt is a professor of ethical leadership NYU's Stern School of Business and author of a number of books, including The Coddling of the American Mind. His recent story in The Atlantic, "Why The Past 10 Years Of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid," sparked a debate about whether social media was bad for society, and how we know for sure. Haidt joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss why he thinks social media is indeed responsible for our "structural stupidity," digging through the research and answering critics' objections. Stay tuned for the second half where we actually discuss some solutions.
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You can read Haidt's article here: Why The Past 10 Years Of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid
You can review the collaborative Google Doc here: Social Media and Political Dysfunction: A Collaborative Review
And here's my story on the Retweet button: The Man Who Built The Retweet: “We Handed A Loaded Weapon To 4-Year-Olds”
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#291 – Jonathan Haidt: The Case Against Social Media
Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist at NYU and author of The Coddling of the American Mind, The Righteous Mind, and The Happiness Hypothesis. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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(00:00) – Introduction
(07:57) – Social media and mental health
(21:45) – Mark Zuckerberg
(31:23) – Children’s use of social media
(42:08) – Social media and democracy
(58:14) – Elon Musk and Twitter
(1:14:45) – Anonymity on social media
(1:20:44) – Misinformation
(1:27:38) – Social media benefits
(1:30:22) – Political division on social media
(1:36:54) – Future of social media
(1:42:46) – Advice for young people
GE’s Three-Way Split, Facebook Scraps “Sensitive”Ad-Targeting Categories, and Friend of Pivot, Jonathan Haidt
Kara and Scott discuss GE’s plans to split into three companies, Facebook’s decision to disable ad targeting based on sensitive categories, and the Twitter Blue rollout. Also, a data breach at Robinhood, and Adam Neumann’s return. And Scott gives us a prediction on M&As in 2022. Plus, Friend of Pivot Jonathan Haidt on social media’s mental health effects.
You can find Jonathan on Twitter at @JonHaidt and can find more of his research at thecoddling.com/better-social-media.
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Tech addiction and how it might be ruining Gen Z
Scott brings on a guest-host, his NYU colleague and bestselling author Jonathan Haidt.
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