Dave Thomas

The Pragmatic Programmer was published in 1999 by software engineers Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas, and is considered to be one of the quintessential books on programming. For its 20th anniversary edition, we chat with Andy and Dave about the book’s impact, what’s changed in the new edition, and what remains the same, along with things they’ve learned over the past 20 years. Show Links Partner with Dev & CodeNewbie! (sponsor) CodeNewbie Survey Lisp BASIC Remote Method Invocation (RMI) Don't repeat yourself (DRY) Java C++ Mainframe computers Metaprogramming Agile Manifesto Eiffel COBRA AltaVista Programming by Coincidence Orthogonality JavaScript Elixir Andy Hunt Andy Hunt is a programmer turned consultant, author and publisher. He has authored award-winning and best-selling books, including the seminal The Pragmatic Programmer (now in a new and heavily revised 20th Anniversary Edition) and many others, including the popular Pragmatic Thinking and Learning: Refactor Your Wetware, the Jolt-worthy Practices of An Agile Developer, and Learn to Program with Minecraft Plugins for the kids. Dave Thomas Dave Thomas likes to code.

Andy Hunt

Co-founder

Pragmatic BookshelfThe Pragmatic Programmers

Dave Thomas

Co-founder

Pragmatic BookshelfThe Pragmatic Programmers

Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt, best known as the authors of The Pragmatic Programmer and founders of The Pragmatic Bookshelf, joined the show today to talk about the 20th anniversary edition of The Pragmatic Programmer. This is a beloved book to software developers all over the world, so we wanted to catch up with Andy and Dave to talk about how this book came to be, some of the wisdom shared in its contents, as well as the impact it’s had on the world of software. Also, the beta book is now “fully content complete” and is going to production. If you decide to pick up the ebook, you’ll get a coupon for 50% off the hardcover when it comes out this fall. Join the discussion Changelog++ members support our work, get closer to the metal, and make the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Linode – Our cloud server of choice. Deploy a fast, efficient, native SSD cloud server for only $5/month. Get 4 months free using the code changelog2019. Start your server - head to linode.com/changelog GoCD + Kubernetes – With GoCD running on Kubernetes, you define your build workflow and let GoCD provision and scale build infrastructure on the fly. GoCD installs as a Kubernetes native application. Scale your build infrastructure elastically. Learn more at gocd.org/kubernetes GitPrime – Download GitPrime’s 20 Patterns book, a field guide to help engineering managers recognize achievement, spot bottlenecks, and debug development processes with data. Fastly – Our bandwidth partner. Fastly powers fast, secure, and scalable digital experiences. Move beyond your content delivery network to their powerful edge cloud platform. Learn more at fastly.com. Featuring: Andy Hunt – Website, GitHub, X Dave Thomas – Website, GitHub, X Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X Show Notes: The Pragmatic Programmer - 20th Anniversary Edition Agile Manifesto The humble programmer Considered harmful Edsger Dijkstra PDPjs, a PDP-11 Emulator Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!

Dave Thomas

Co-founder

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Andy Hunt

Co-founder

Pragmatic BookshelfThe Pragmatic Programmers

We're gearing up to launch season 9 on July 8th, and we couldn't be more excited for you to listen. We got a ton of great guests to talk about a bunch of awesome topics including workplace burnout, why you should learn user interface and design, and dealing with online trolls. Show Links Partner with Dev & CodeNewbie! (sponsor) Jeffrey Liebert Jeffrey Liebert works with people in the technology industry struggling with issues related to anxiety, depression, and motivation in the workplace. He works on increasing their productivity, while decreasing anxiety and feelings of burnout. http://jeffreyliebert.com/ Ali Spittel Ali Spittel is a software engineer and teacher who loves writing and teaching Python and JavaScript. Mina Markham Mina is actively involved in the tech community, teaching for Black Girls Code and founding the Dallas chapter of Girl Develop It and DFW Sass. In addition, she has presented at various conferences, including Front-End Design Conference, Midwest.io and Distill. Lastly, she's co-organizer of Front Porch, a conference on front-end web technologies for developers, designers, entrepreneurs, and managers. Andy Hunt Andy Hunt is a programmer turned consultant, author and publisher. He has authored award-winning and best-selling books, including the seminal The Pragmatic Programmer (now in a new and heavily revised 20th Anniversary Edition) and many others, including the popular Pragmatic Thinking and Learning: Refactor Your Wetware, the Jolt-worthy Practices of An Agile Developer, and Learn to Program with Minecraft Plugins for the kids. Dave Thomas Dave Thomas likes to code.

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Andy Hunt

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Dave Thomas

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Pragmatic BookshelfThe Pragmatic Programmers

What's the value of a computer science degree? Is it worth going back to school for? We talk to a computer science student and professor to help us answer these questions. Ashley Fong is a history major who's going back to school to get her CS degree online. She shares how she made that decision and what her experience has been like. Dave Thomas is a programmer who recently became a professor. He shares why he had doubts about the value of the CS degree and how his experience teaching has influenced his opinion. Show Links Partner with Dev & CodeNewbie! (sponsor) Oregon State University's CS Program Southern Methodist University Codeland conference - May 4 & 5 in NYC - Get your tickets Codeland Conf Codeland 2019 Dave Thomas Dave is a programmer and adjunct professor at Southern Methodist University Ashley Fong Ashley Fong is a former middle school history teacher and was most recently part of a fundraising team at an art museum. She is currently a student pursuing a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science through Oregon State University's Ecampus Post-Baccalaureate Program.

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Ashley Fong

Computer Science Student

In part two of our interview with Dave Thomas, we dive into some of his other contributions to the community, including coining the phrase “DRY” (Don’t Repeat Yourself), popularizing the code kata, and signing the Manifesto for Agile Software Development. We explore the impacts of these contributions, particularly to code newbie community. Show Links Partner with Dev & CodeNewbie! (sponsor) Code Kata DRY SOLID Manifesto for Agile Software Development Agile Is Dead Codeland Conf Codeland 2019 Dave Thomas Dave is a programmer and adjunct professor at Southern Methodist University

Dave Thomas

Co-founder

Pragmatic BookshelfThe Pragmatic Programmers

Dave Thomas has done a lot for the programming community. He coined the phrase “DRY” (Don’t Repeat Yourself). He popularized the idea of code katas. He was one of the signers of the Manifesto for Agile Software Development, and he's the founder of the Pragmatic Bookshelf publishing company. But despite all that, he refers to himself as simply a programmer. In this episode, he shares his own coding journey, gives advice to new developers on how to navigate the mountain of information available, and how he ended up becoming a publisher. Show Links Partner with Dev & CodeNewbie! (sponsor) Lone Star Ruby Elixir Tacit knowledge Design patterns C2.com Airbrake Avdi Grimm CodeNewbie Austin Elm Functional programming Statically Typed vs. Dynamically Typed Languages Codeland Conf Codeland 2019 Dave Thomas Dave is a programmer and adjunct professor at Southern Methodist University

Dave Thomas

Co-founder

Pragmatic BookshelfThe Pragmatic Programmers