Is Bitcoin Going According to Plan? Gold, Saylor, Satoshi | Dan Held
What happens when rebel money becomes institutional money? In this episode, David sits down with Bitcoin OG Dan Held to ask whether Bitcoin is actually going according to plan. They unpack Bitcoin’s cypherpunk origins, the rise of ETFs and corporate treasuries, Michael Saylor’s influence, Bitcoin’s missed scaling opportunities, privacy tradeoffs, quantum risk, the Satoshi mystery, and why Dan thinks Bitcoin can still flip gold.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Is Bitcoin Going According to Plan?
2:39 Bitcoin’s Culture Changed, But Did the Code?
9:06 From Magic Internet Money to Digital Gold
15:08 Michael Saylor, Strategy and Concentration Risk
20:08 Is Bitcoin Becoming Too US-Coded?
24:12 Did Bitcoin Miss Its Scaling Moment?
29:42 Privacy, Cash and Bitcoin’s Tradeoffs
32:15 Satoshi’s Design Choices
37:50 BIPs, Quantum Risk and Bitcoin Upgrades
41:35 How Urgent Is Quantum?
44:14 The Satoshi Mystery
47:38 Bitcoin’s Next Phase of Adoption
49:23 Will Bitcoin Flip Gold?
53:11 Being Early Looks Crazy
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RESOURCES
Dan Held
https://x.com/danheld
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Bitcoin’s BRC-20 Mania: Is It Sustainable? - Ep. 493
Ordinal theory has unleashed a new wave of NFTs, memecoins and innovation on Bitcoin — but not without controversy. Bitcoin educator Dan Held and Bitcoin Frontier Fund Managing Partner Trevor Owens join the show to discuss the breakneck rise of BRC-20s and why they’re both bullish on what memecoins mean for the original blockchain.
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
what ordinal theory is and how it enabled Bitcoin “NFTs”
how the Ordinals Protocol differs from the ERC-721 token standard used by many Ethereum NFTs
how BRC-20s work by relying on some off-chain mechanisms
why Bitcoin is not a “dinosaur chain,” according to Dan
why Trevor says BRC-20 memecoins are superior to those on Ethereum
what the practical utilities of BRC-20s are, if any
why transaction fees in Bitcoin rose so much and why it’s healthy for the network
whether innovation is coming back to Bitcoin
whether Satoshi Nakamoto would have approved of Bitcoin NFTs
the role of speculation in fueling bitcoin adoption
the current and future state of layer 2s on Bitcoin
why Dan says BRC-20s “absolutely” solve the problem with Bitcoin’s security budget
why it’s hard to determine an “appropriate” amount for the security budget of Bitcoin
how the NFT market could be shaped after the rise of Ordinals and BRC-20s
what needs to be developed so that BRC-20s can flourish
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Guests:
Dan Held, Bitcoin educator and marketing advisor at Trust Machines
Trevor Owens, managing partner at Bitcoin Frontier Fund
Previous coverage of Unchained on Ordinals:
Bitcoin Ordinal NFTs Are Hot and Getting Hotter. What's the Hype About? - NFT Crypto
Links
Unchained:
How to Create a Bitcoin Ordinal
Bitcoin Core Developers Mull Getting Rid of BRC-20 Transactions
Binance Briefly Halted Bitcoin Withdrawals Amid Network Congestion
Domo’s thread on BRC-20s
Anita Posch’s comments.on the high fees
Nic Carter: There's No Such Thing as High Fees on Bitcoin
Nic Carter’s MIT presentation: MIT Bitcoin Expo 2019 - 10 years of Bitcoin: Evaluating its Performance as a Monetary System
Decrypt: Michael Saylor: Bitcoin Ordinals Are a ‘Catalyst’ for Adoption
[bitcoin-dev] [Mempool spam] Should we as developers reject non-standard Taproot transactions from full nodes?
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Rejecting Bitcoin Fundamentalism | Dan Held
Dan Held is a widely known educator in the Bitcoin Universe. Formerly the director of growth marking at Kraken, he’s now an independent content creator at the Held Report and an advisor to Trust Machines.
In today’s State of the Nation, we explore a new extremist sub-division of the Bitcoin movement: Bitcoin Fundamentalism.
Is there a divide growing in the Bitcoin Community? Why are Dan Held and other Bitcoiners frustrated with this cohort? What is Bitcoin Fundamentalism, and what does it mean for the future direction of the Bitcoin Community?
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0:00 Intro 8:00 Say No To Bitcoin Fundamentalism 13:10 What is Fundamentalism? 21:00 Nic Carter 27:12 Brain Drain 31:00 The Rationalists 39:00 Wealthy then Healthy 44:00 Cyber Hornets 53:40 What’s at Stake Here? 1:01:00 Trust Machine 1:03:32 The Bitcoin Ecosystem
------ Resources:
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#196 with Dan Held - Who Really Created Bitcoin & Other Crypto Startup Ideas
Shaan (@ShaanVP) and Sam (@theSamParr) are joined in this episode by serial Bitcoin entrepreneur Dan Held (@DanHeld). They talk about the Genesis block of Bitcoin, who Satoshi Nakamoto might really be, and the controversy around Tether. They end the episode talking about business ideas in the Crypto space and how to make money in the creator economy.
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Show notes:
* (:47) Intro to Dan Held
* (3:01) How Dan got his first Bitcoin
* (4:17) Will the real Satoshi please stand up
* (9:31) Dan's Early Bitcoin days
* (15:00) Ideas for the Bitcoin & Crypto space
* (21:35) A new kind of private wealth manager
* (24:43) The controversy around Tether
* (31:28) Bitcoin security and multi-signature wallets
* (36:31) Growth hacks to build your audience
* (40:41) Monetizing in the creator economy
* (46:44) Laser eyes and memes
How to earn yield on your bitcoin | Dan Held
Dan Held is currently the director of growth marketing at Kraken. This is the long awaited part 2 of a 2 part series with Dan. If you haven't already, be sure to check out part 1!
Dan's blog:
https://danheld.substack.com/
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Dan Held explains why the Supercycle will push Bitcoin above $500,000
Dan Held is currently the director of growth marketing at Kraken. We talked about Elon's impact on the field, energy and the environment, and of course, the possible $500k Supercycle.
This is part 1 of a 2 part series with Dan. Check out his Substack if you can't wait for part 2!
https://danheld.substack.com/
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Why Bitcoin Now: Andreas Antonopoulos and Dan Held on Bitcoin’s Monetary Policy - Ep.192
Andreas M. Antonopoulos, speaker, educator, and the author of Mastering Bitcoin, Mastering Ethereum, and The Internet of Money, Volumes 1, 2, and 3, and Dan Held, growth lead at Kraken Digital Asset Exchange, discuss the core features of Bitcoin's monetary policy, including how it differs from traditional central bank monetary policy, what gives it value and yet how it seems to have derived value from thin air. Plus, we talk about how the coronavirus pandemic will affect Bitcoin. In this episode, we cover:
how monetary policy in general is defined
the core feature of Bitcoin’s monetary policy, and how it differs from previous forms of money
the similarities and differences between Bitcoin and gold
why the hard cap on Bitcoin is unique and so important
the difficulties in analyzing and classifying Bitcoin
whether or not transaction fees alone can sustain the network once all 21 million Bitcoin have been minted
if Bitcoin will be able to fulfill its original vision of democratizing finance and serving as an everyday medium of exchange
why they think Bitcoin has recently been more correlated with the stock market
their thoughts on the stock to flow model and whether it works for Bitcoin
how they think the coronavirus, unprecedented quantitative easing, and increasing inflation will impact Bitcoin’s adoption and price
how crypto banks that don’t conduct fractional reserve banking or lending might change the economy
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Episode links:
Andreas Antonopoulos: https://aantonop.com
On Twitter: https://twitter.com/aantonop
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/aantonop/
Dan Held: https://www.danheld.com
On Twitter: https://twitter.com/danheld
Dan Held on Bitcoin's monetary policy: https://medium.com/the-bitcoin-times/information-theory-of-money-36247aebdfe1
Dan Held on Bitcoin's security model: https://www.danheld.com/blog/2019/6/16/bitcoins-security-is-fine
Unchained interview with Saifedeam Ammous: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-bitcoin-now-saifedean-ammous-on-why-bitcoin-is-the-most-advanced-form-of-money/
Mises’ Regression Theorem: https://mises.org/library/bitcoin-regression-theorem-and-emergence-new-medium-exchange
Stock to flow model: https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/modeling-bitcoins-value-with-scarcity-91fa0fc03e25
https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/bitcoin-stock-to-flow-cross-asset-model-50d260feed12
Why the stock-to-flow model is wrong: https://www.coindesk.com/why-the-stock-to-flow-bitcoin-valuation-model-is-wrong
Federal Reserve announcement about letting inflation run higher than normal to achieve a 2% target rate of inflation: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/monetary20200827a.htm
Kraken launching the first crypto bank: https://unchainedpodcast.com/the-first-crypto-bank-what-kraken-financial-will-do-and-how/
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