Trust Machines

What happens when rebel money becomes institutional money? In this episode, David sits down with Bitcoin OG Dan Held to ask whether Bitcoin is actually going according to plan. They unpack Bitcoin’s cypherpunk origins, the rise of ETFs and corporate treasuries, Michael Saylor’s influence, Bitcoin’s missed scaling opportunities, privacy tradeoffs, quantum risk, the Satoshi mystery, and why Dan thinks Bitcoin can still flip gold. --- 📣SPOTIFY PREMIUM RSS FEED | USE CODE: SPOTIFY24 https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium --- BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🔮POLYMARKET | #1 PREDICTION MARKET https://bankless.cc/polymarket-podcast 📊BITGET | TOKENIZED STOCKS 2.0 https://bankless.cc/bitget-stocks 🎯THE DEFI REPORT | ONCHAIN INSIGHTS https://thedefireport.io/bankless 👑BANKLESS PREMIUM | AD-FREE & BONUS EPISODES https://bankless.cc/spotify-premium --- TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Is Bitcoin Going According to Plan? 2:39 Bitcoin’s Culture Changed, But Did the Code? 9:06 From Magic Internet Money to Digital Gold 15:08 Michael Saylor, Strategy and Concentration Risk 20:08 Is Bitcoin Becoming Too US-Coded? 24:12 Did Bitcoin Miss Its Scaling Moment? 29:42 Privacy, Cash and Bitcoin’s Tradeoffs 32:15 Satoshi’s Design Choices 37:50 BIPs, Quantum Risk and Bitcoin Upgrades 41:35 How Urgent Is Quantum? 44:14 The Satoshi Mystery 47:38 Bitcoin’s Next Phase of Adoption 49:23 Will Bitcoin Flip Gold? 53:11 Being Early Looks Crazy --- RESOURCES Dan Held https://x.com/danheld --- Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures

Dan Held

Bitcoin Entrepreneur

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Muneeb Ali is the co-founder of Stacks, which is a L2 that enables smart contracts and decentralized applictions to be built on top of Bitcoin. Muneeb is an early adopter in the blockchain industry with over a decade of experience. He offers a unique and insightful perspective on the current landscape of leading Layer 1 blockchains. In our conversation, we explore his views on the role of Layer 2 solutions for Bitcoin, how it compares to Ethereum and Solana, and why Bitcoin holds a unique position as sound money. We also delve into broader industry trends and what the future might hold for scaling solutions. 0:00 Bitcoin L2s 4:07 Muneeb Ali 8:03 Stacks 24:42 Bitcoin VS Ethereum 27:42 Ethereum VS Solana 38:35 Bitcoin As Money 50:40 BitVM 54:24 Rollups on Bitcoin 56:00 DeFi On Bitcoin 1:03:28 EVM 1:05:55 Getting Started With Stacks This episode was sponsored by: NEAR: https://redactedbangkok.ai/?utm_source=thedefiant&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=defiant&utm_content=newsletter Stellar: https://stellar.org/soroban?utm_source=defiant&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=defiant_podcast ✨ Check out our new website ✨ https://thedefiant.io/ 🚀 Sign up to our newsletter 🚀 https://thedefiant.io/go-premium#pricing?utm_source=YT&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=signup 🤑 Find DeFi investment opportunities & educational primers here https://thedefiant.io/promo?utm_source=YT&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=alpha ✊ Follow The Defiant Twitter: https://twitter.com/defiantnews Discord: https://discord.com/invite/3SdRdEs5ag Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thedefiant.io/ Telegram: https://t.me/DefiantNews 📬 Contact our Newsroom editorial@thedefiant.io 🤝 Sponsorships & Partnerships sponsors@thedefiant.io #TheDefiant​ #DeFi​ #Decentralized​ #Finance​ #Blockchain #Web3

Muneeb Ali

Co-Founder

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Muneeb Ali is the CEO of Trust Machines and the co-creators of Stacks — a layer-2 that enables smart contracts and decentralized applications to utilize bitcoin for base-layer security. In this episode of The Scoop, Ali discusses the growth and importance of Bitcoin Layer 2 solutions. He emphasizes the need for BTC capital to be deployed in L2s and the potential for Bitcoin L2s to become a significant category in the crypto industry. According to Ali, creating more on-chain uses for bitcoin will ultimately make the asset more valuable: “Bitcoin rails can be upgraded through layer-2s... There can be all sorts of use cases that that are deployed there and BTC the capital can be more productive — it will make bitcoin more valuable.”

Muneeb Ali

Co-Founder

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Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Fountain, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Pandora, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Fifteen years after the birth of Bitcoin, the network is now entering an era of remarkable innovation and change, according to Stacks' co-creator Muneeb Ali. On this episode of Unchained recorded at the Bitcoin Builders conference, Muneeb explores the complexities and advancements within Bitcoin's Layer 1 and Layer 2. He shares his perspectives on what's fueling innovation in Bitcoin's Layer 1 and discusses the implications of Ordinal Inscriptions amid criticism of it by core developers.  He delves into the various scaling solutions within Bitcoin, highlighting how trust assumptions vary among them, and how BitVM could be a 'game changer'. He goes over the advantages of integrating smart contracts on Bitcoin, and why he considers BTC the only true form of monetary asset.  Show highlights: What's driving innovation in Bitcoin’s L1  How Muneeb feels about Ordinals Inscriptions in Bitcoin, considering the criticism from some core developers How, in the recent years, research and development in crypto happened outside of Bitcoin, and how that's changing now, according to Muneeb The different types of scaling solutions in Bitcoin and how the trust assumptions differ in each of them Why he feels like BitVM is a 'game changer' and what it enables What the Nakamoto upgrade is on Stacks The advantages of having smart contracts on Bitcoin, according to Muneeb Why he says that BTC is the only asset that is money The challenges to having privacy in Bitcoin Thank you to our sponsors! Popcorn Network iTrustCapital Polkadot Guest Muneeb Ali, co-creator of Stacks Previous appearances on Unchained:  Bitcoin Ordinal NFTs Are Hot and Getting Hotter. What's the Hype About? - NFT Crypto Blockstack On Getting Independence From Google, Facebook And Amazon Links Recent news: Unchained:  Stacks, a Bitcoin Layer 2 Protocol, Sees All-Time High in Total Value Locked A New Era for Bitcoin Is Here, Whether Bitcoin Maximalists Like It Or Not Bitcoin Passes the $1 Trillion Market Cap Mark; All Cryptos Combined Reach $2 Trillion Bitcoin L2s: Unchained:  Are Layer 2s on Bitcoin Having a Moment? How Botanix Aims to Enable Smart Contracts on Bitcoin An Ethereum-Like Experience Built on Bitcoin? Learn more: What Are Opcodes in Bitcoin? A Beginner's Guide What Are BRC-20 Tokens?  What Are ORC-20 Tokens?  How to Create a Bitcoin Ordinal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Co-Founder

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Ordinal theory has unleashed a new wave of NFTs, memecoins and innovation on Bitcoin — but not without controversy. Bitcoin educator Dan Held and Bitcoin Frontier Fund Managing Partner Trevor Owens join the show to discuss the breakneck rise of BRC-20s and why they’re both bullish on what memecoins mean for the original blockchain. Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights: what ordinal theory is and how it enabled Bitcoin “NFTs” how the Ordinals Protocol differs from the ERC-721 token standard used by many Ethereum NFTs how BRC-20s work by relying on some off-chain mechanisms why Bitcoin is not a “dinosaur chain,” according to Dan why Trevor says BRC-20 memecoins are superior to those on Ethereum what the practical utilities of BRC-20s are, if any why transaction fees in Bitcoin rose so much and why it’s healthy for the network  whether innovation is coming back to Bitcoin whether Satoshi Nakamoto would have approved of Bitcoin NFTs the role of speculation in fueling bitcoin adoption  the current and future state of layer 2s on Bitcoin why Dan says BRC-20s “absolutely” solve the problem with Bitcoin’s security budget why it’s hard to determine an “appropriate” amount for the security budget of Bitcoin how the NFT market could be shaped after the rise of Ordinals and BRC-20s what needs to be developed so that BRC-20s can flourish Thank you to our sponsors! Crypto.com Guests: Dan Held, Bitcoin educator and marketing advisor at Trust Machines  Trevor Owens, managing partner at Bitcoin Frontier Fund Previous coverage of Unchained on Ordinals: Bitcoin Ordinal NFTs Are Hot and Getting Hotter. What's the Hype About? - NFT Crypto Links Unchained:  How to Create a Bitcoin Ordinal Bitcoin Core Developers Mull Getting Rid of BRC-20 Transactions Binance Briefly Halted Bitcoin Withdrawals Amid Network Congestion Domo’s thread on BRC-20s  Anita Posch’s comments.on the high fees Nic Carter: There's No Such Thing as High Fees on Bitcoin Nic Carter’s MIT presentation: MIT Bitcoin Expo 2019 - 10 years of Bitcoin: Evaluating its Performance as a Monetary System Decrypt: Michael Saylor: Bitcoin Ordinals Are a ‘Catalyst’ for Adoption [bitcoin-dev] [Mempool spam] Should we as developers reject non-standard Taproot transactions from full nodes? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dan Held

Bitcoin Entrepreneur

KrakenTrust MachinesDan Held

Trevor Owens

Founder

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Muneeb Ali, co-creator of Stacks, discusses the Bitcoin trend that has everyone – or at least, many Bitcoiners – buzzing: Bitcoin ordinals. Ali explains why it is that they’ve taken up block space, pushed Bitcoin fees higher, and caused controversy in the community. Plus, he explains why the phenomenon has generated excitement about Stacks. Show highlights: how Ordinals technology works to enable NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain the difference between NFTs in smart contracts platforms like Ethereum vs. NFTs in Bitcoin the way in which the Taproot upgrade allowed Ordinals technology to exist what security measures to take in order to protect one’s Bitcoin NFTs why the Bitcoin maxi community reacted negatively to Ordinals  why Stacks jumped so much in price after the release of Ordinals what Muneeb thinks is the significance of Yuga Labs launching NFTs on Bitcoin Thank you to our sponsors! Crypto.com Railgun DAO  Guest Muneeb Ali, co-creator of Stacks Twitter Previous appearance on Unchained: Blockstack On Getting Independence From Google, Facebook And Amazon Links Unchained: BAYC Creator Yuga Labs to Launch Bitcoin Ordinal NFTs Decrypt: What Are Ordinals? A Beginner's Guide to Bitcoin NFTs Dune: Ordinals - Inscriptions on Bitcoin Episodes about Bitcoin mentioned in the show:  Does Maximalism Help or Hurt Bitcoin? Lyn Alden and Udi Wertheimer Debate Eric Wall and Udi Wertheimer on Why Bitcoin Maximalism Is ‘Like a Shitcoin Community’ Is Bitcoin Doomed to Fail? Eric Wall and Justin Bons Face Off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Muneeb Ali

Co-Founder

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In this episode of Empire, Muneeb Ali, the founder of Stacks, joins us to discuss Bitcoin's sudden transformation. Until the last two months, Bitcoin was (perceived as) simply a store of value, a religion. However, Ordinals, a Bitcoin NFT project, has redirected the spotlight to Bitcoin’s underlying tech and utility - a technology that can support NFTs, DeFi and more. Muneeb provides his unique insights in this eye-opening episode! - - Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (00:53) Bitcoin is a technology, not a religion (06:43) Building apps on Bitcoin (12:36) Has Ordinals transformed Bitcoin’s future? (24:42) Stacks and Bitcoin DeFi (29:30) Blockworks Research (31:04) Stacks and Bitcoin DeFi (35:57) What will Bitcoin look like in 12 months? - - Follow Muneeb: https://twitter.com/muneeb Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Resources Empire's first-ever episode (with Muneeb) https://tinyurl.com/4vnbxwkz Stacks https://www.stacks.co/ - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Muneeb Ali

Co-Founder

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Dan Held is a widely known educator in the Bitcoin Universe. Formerly the director of growth marking at Kraken, he’s now an independent content creator at the Held Report and an advisor to Trust Machines. In today’s State of the Nation, we explore a new extremist sub-division of the Bitcoin movement: Bitcoin Fundamentalism. Is there a divide growing in the Bitcoin Community? Why are Dan Held and other Bitcoiners frustrated with this cohort? What is Bitcoin Fundamentalism, and what does it mean for the future direction of the Bitcoin Community? ------ 📣 Galxe | Explore Crypto’s #1 Credential Network https://bankless.cc/Galxe  ------ 🚀 SUBSCRIBE TO NEWSLETTER:          https://newsletter.banklesshq.com  🎙️ SUBSCRIBE TO PODCAST:                 http://podcast.banklesshq.com/    ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS:  ⚖️ ARBITRUM | SCALING ETHEREUM https://bankless.cc/Arbitrum  ❎ ACROSS | BRIDGE TO LAYER 2 https://bankless.cc/Across  🦁 BRAVE | THE BROWSER NATIVE WALLET https://bankless.cc/Brave  💠 NEXO | CRYPTO FINANCIAL HUB https://bankless.cc/Nexo  🔐 LEDGER | NANO HARDWARE WALLETS https://bankless.cc/Ledger  ⚡️FUEL | THE MODULAR EXECUTION LAYER https://bankless.cc/Fuelpod  ----- Topics Covered 0:00 Intro 8:00 Say No To Bitcoin Fundamentalism 13:10 What is Fundamentalism? 21:00 Nic Carter 27:12 Brain Drain 31:00 The Rationalists 39:00 Wealthy then Healthy 44:00 Cyber Hornets 53:40 What’s at Stake Here? 1:01:00 Trust Machine 1:03:32 The Bitcoin Ecosystem ------ Resources: Dan Held https://twitter.com/danheld  Trust Machines https://twitter.com/trustmachinesco  The Held Report https://www.theheldreport.com/  Nic Carter Episode https://youtu.be/BjTeLtuKs1A  ----- Not financial or tax advice. This channel is strictly educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any assets or to make any financial decisions. This video is not tax advice. Talk to your accountant. Do your own research. Disclosure. From time-to-time I may add links in this newsletter to products I use. I may receive commission if you make a purchase through one of these links. Additionally, the Bankless writers hold crypto assets. See our investment disclosures here: https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/p/bankless-disclosures

Dan Held

Bitcoin Entrepreneur

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Shaan (@ShaanVP) and Sam (@theSamParr) are joined in this episode by serial Bitcoin entrepreneur Dan Held (@DanHeld). They talk about the Genesis block of Bitcoin, who Satoshi Nakamoto might really be, and the controversy around Tether. They end the episode talking about business ideas in the Crypto space and how to make money in the creator economy. --------- * Want to be featured in a future episode? Drop your question/comment/criticism/love here: https://www.mfmpod.com/p/hotline/ * Support the pod by spreading the word, become a referrer here: https://refer.fm/million * Have you joined our private Facebook group yet? Go to https://www.facebook.com/groups/ourfirstmillion and join thousands of other entrepreneurs and founders scheming up ideas. --------- Show notes: * (:47) Intro to Dan Held * (3:01) How Dan got his first Bitcoin * (4:17) Will the real Satoshi please stand up * (9:31) Dan's Early Bitcoin days * (15:00) Ideas for the Bitcoin & Crypto space * (21:35) A new kind of private wealth manager * (24:43) The controversy around Tether * (31:28) Bitcoin security and multi-signature wallets * (36:31) Growth hacks to build your audience * (40:41) Monetizing in the creator economy * (46:44) Laser eyes and memes

Dan Held

Bitcoin Entrepreneur

KrakenTrust MachinesDan Held

Dan Held is currently the director of growth marketing at Kraken. This is the long awaited part 2 of a 2 part series with Dan. If you haven't already, be sure to check out part 1! Dan's blog: https://danheld.substack.com/ ––– LUKKA Lukka Prime is crypto asset pricing data aligned to accounting standards like GAAP and IFRS. Lukka Prime Pricing Data is the pricing source used by S&P Dow Jones Indices’ for their new cryptocurrency indices. Lukka Prime is the world’s first fair market value pricing source for crypto assets and the best option for all post-trade reporting needs. Visit lukka.tech/empire to learn more. ––– EXODUS Download the app today at http://exodus.com/empire and iOS users can buy up to $500 in Bitcoin for just $1 for a limited time. ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

Dan Held

Bitcoin Entrepreneur

KrakenTrust MachinesDan Held

Dan Held is currently the director of growth marketing at Kraken. We talked about Elon's impact on the field, energy and the environment, and of course, the possible $500k Supercycle. This is part 1 of a 2 part series with Dan. Check out his Substack if you can't wait for part 2! https://danheld.substack.com/ ––– LUKKA Lukka Prime is crypto asset pricing data aligned to accounting standards like GAAP and IFRS. Lukka Prime Pricing Data is the pricing source used by S&P Dow Jones Indices’ for their new cryptocurrency indices. Lukka Prime is the world’s first fair market value pricing source for crypto assets and the best option for all post-trade reporting needs. Visit lukka.tech/empire to learn more. ––– EXODUS Download the app today at http://exodus.com/empire and iOS users can buy up to $500 in Bitcoin for just $1 for a limited time. ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

Dan Held

Bitcoin Entrepreneur

KrakenTrust MachinesDan Held

My guest today is Muneeb Ali, Co-Founder of the Stacks Project (formerly Blockstack) and CEO of Hiro. On this episode of Empire, we talk about Muneeb’s upbringing in Pakistan and the sacrifices his family made to get him his first computer, military dictatorship vs democratic rule, how he lied about a grant to get a job in Sweden and then ran out of money, and why it’s better to build on Bitcoin than create a new chain. ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

Muneeb Ali

Co-Founder

StacksBlockstackHiroTrust Machines

Andreas M. Antonopoulos, speaker, educator, and the author of Mastering Bitcoin, Mastering Ethereum, and The Internet of Money, Volumes 1, 2, and 3, and Dan Held,  growth lead at Kraken Digital Asset Exchange, discuss the core features of Bitcoin's monetary policy, including how it differs from traditional central bank monetary policy, what gives it value and yet how it seems to have derived value from thin air. Plus, we talk about how the coronavirus pandemic will affect Bitcoin. In this episode, we cover: how monetary policy in general is defined the core feature of Bitcoin’s monetary policy, and how it differs from previous forms of money the similarities and differences between Bitcoin and gold why the hard cap on Bitcoin is unique and so important the difficulties in analyzing and classifying Bitcoin whether or not transaction fees alone can sustain the network once all 21 million Bitcoin have been minted if Bitcoin will be able to fulfill its original vision of democratizing finance and serving as an everyday medium of exchange why they think Bitcoin has recently been more correlated with the stock market their thoughts on the stock to flow model and whether it works for Bitcoin how they think the coronavirus, unprecedented quantitative easing, and increasing inflation will impact Bitcoin’s adoption and price how crypto banks that don’t conduct fractional reserve banking or lending might change the economy   Thank you to our sponsors!  Crypto.com: http://crypto.com Gods Unchained: https://playgu.co/unchainedpod   Episode links:  Andreas Antonopoulos: https://aantonop.com On Twitter: https://twitter.com/aantonop YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/aantonop/ Dan Held: https://www.danheld.com On Twitter: https://twitter.com/danheld   Dan Held on Bitcoin's monetary policy: https://medium.com/the-bitcoin-times/information-theory-of-money-36247aebdfe1   Dan Held on Bitcoin's security model: https://www.danheld.com/blog/2019/6/16/bitcoins-security-is-fine   Unchained interview with Saifedeam Ammous: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-bitcoin-now-saifedean-ammous-on-why-bitcoin-is-the-most-advanced-form-of-money/   Mises’ Regression Theorem: https://mises.org/library/bitcoin-regression-theorem-and-emergence-new-medium-exchange   Stock to flow model: https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/modeling-bitcoins-value-with-scarcity-91fa0fc03e25   https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/bitcoin-stock-to-flow-cross-asset-model-50d260feed12   Why the stock-to-flow model is wrong: https://www.coindesk.com/why-the-stock-to-flow-bitcoin-valuation-model-is-wrong   Federal Reserve announcement about letting inflation run higher than normal to achieve a 2% target rate of inflation: https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/pressreleases/monetary20200827a.htm Kraken launching the first crypto bank: https://unchainedpodcast.com/the-first-crypto-bank-what-kraken-financial-will-do-and-how/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Andreas Antonopoulos

Speaker, Educator, and Author

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Dan Held

Bitcoin Entrepreneur

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Ryan Shea and Muneeb Ali, the cofounders of Blockstack, on how their tools enable users to control their own data, why the internet should have universal usernames but no company should control that, and why Blockstack’s storage system still allows users to choose centralized options  like Google Drive and Dropbox. They also talk about how other blockchain systems are thinking about scaling wrong, why they launched a developer fund, and why a developer would choose Blockstack over Ethereum. Show notes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2017/09/05/blockstack-on-how-to-take-control-from-google-facebook-and-amazon/ BlockStack: https://blockstack.org/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ryan Shea

Cofounder

Blockstack

Muneeb Ali

Co-Founder

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