20VC: Wix's Founder on What Wall St Gets Wrong About AI and Wix | Will Base44 Win the Vibe Coding Wars | The Truth About the Economics of Vibe-Coding | The Buyback Disaster: Lessons Learned with Avishai Abrahami
Avishai Abrahami is the Co-Founder and CEO of Wix, the NASDAQ-listed website creation platform serving millions of businesses worldwide. Today, Wix generates more than $2BN in ARR and has a market capitalization of approximately $2.1BN, after reaching a peak valuation of $17BN over the past two years. The company also acquired Base44, one of the fastest-growing AI application-building platforms, scaling it to $150M in ARR in record time.
AGENDA:
00:00 The SaaS Apocalypse: What Does Wall Street Still Not Understand About Wix?
07:00 Is the Market Valuing Wix's Core Business at Less Than Zero?
12:55 Will AI Kill Wix... or Make Base44 Bigger Than the Entire Company?
19:15 "You Are NOT Going to Vibe Code Shopify" — Why Everyone Is Getting AI Wrong
23:00 Would You Really Pay $80M for a One-Person Startup?
24:15 The Buyback Disaster: Would Avishai Do It All Again?
31:00 Why Every AI Customer Support Startup Keeps Failing (According to Wix)
37:00 Should a 22-Year-Old Still Learn to Code in the Age of AI?
42:20 Has AI Been Overhyped? Avishai's Most Controversial Prediction Yet
49:00 The Hardest Lessons on Leadership, Marriage & Building Through Chaos
Wix CEO Avishai Abrahami isn’t worried AI will kill the web
Today I’m talking with Avishai Abrahami, the CEO of Wix. You might know Wix as a website builder. It’s a competitor to WordPress and Squarespace. Tons of sites across the web run on Wix. But the web is changing rapidly, and Wix’s business today is less about web publishing, and more about providing software to help business owners run their entire companies. It’s fascinating, and Avishai has built a fascinating structure inside of Wix to make all that happen.
Wix is also an Israeli company. Avishai joined from the company’s headquarters in Tel Aviv. And I’ll just tell you right up front that we talked about Israel’s war with Hamas and its impact on the company. And that this conversation was not always comfortable. But the main theme of our conversation was, of course, the future of the web, especially a web that seems destined to be overrun by cheap AI-generated SEO spam.
Links:
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The people who ruined the internet
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OpenAI can’t tell if something was written by AI after all
AI is killing the old web, and the new web struggles to be born
Squarespace CEO Anthony Casalena on why anyone makes a website in 2023
What will changing Section 230 mean for the internet?
Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/23742026
Credits:
Decoder is a production of The Verge and is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
Today’s episode was produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. It was edited by Callie Wright.
The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder. Our Executive Producer is Eleanor Donovan.
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