Why CLOs Are Suddenly DeFi's Hottest Yield Play
Niklas Kunkel maps where the RWA market is heading next, from Centrifuge and Apollo's CLOs to Galaxy's first tokenized credit product, then turns to a cautionary tale: some SpaceX pre-IPO token buyers never actually owned the shares they thought they had.
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Guest:
Niklas Kunkel - Founder and CEO of Chronicle Labs
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Chapters
🌍 00:00 Where the RWA market goes next, from the man building its plumbing: Niklas Kunkel
💰 00:44 The yield trade heating up: why CLOs like Centrifuge's JAAA and Apollo's Acred are suddenly everywhere
🌌 01:14 Galaxy's first tokenized CLO, and why it's a far bigger deal than it looks
🔍 01:56 Trust no one: how Chronicle checks Galaxy's loan book against its own custodian
🔁 03:04 The looping trick that turns a 7% CLO yield into 14% or 21%, and the risk hiding inside it
🏢 03:27 What's coming next: tokenized REITs and equities
🚀 05:28 The SpaceX pre-IPO token question Niklas keeps getting asked
📉 06:06 The catch nobody mentioned: why SpaceX token buyers never actually owned their shares
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Why DAO Governance Always Turns Political
"In a decentralized governance system, it's unavoidable to develop politics."
Rune Christensen explains why DAO governance becomes a struggle for resources, how the "iron law of bureaucracy" emerges, and why Sky redesigned its architecture to survive it.
From USDS growth to the Atlas rulebook and Genesis Capital — this is Sky's long-term vision for sustainable decentralized finance.
How the Competition Will Play Out in the Great Stablecoin Race - Ep. 936
In this episode of Unchained, Laura is joined by Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly, and Sam MacPherson, Co-founder and CEO of Phoenix Labs, to break down the fast-moving world of stablecoins and stablechains.
They discuss Ethena’s USDe $5 billion drop, the rise of “stablecoin-as-a-service” models, the emergence of payment-focused blockchains like Tempo and Codex, and the return of TradFi heavyweights like Visa, Mastercard, and Western Union to the digital dollar race.
From liquidity challenges to regulatory shakeups and tokenized deposits, the conversation explores what it really takes to win the stablecoin wars, and, importantly, whether any of these players can even make a scratch to king Tether.
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Guests:
Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly
Sam MacPherson, Co-founder and CEO of Phoenix Labs
Links:
Previous coverage on Unchained:
Stablecoins Are Popping Up Everywhere. What’s the End Game?
Why Every Chain Suddenly Wants Its OWN Stablecoin - The Chopping Block
Timestamps:
🎬 0:00 Intro and ads: Binance
📉 1:09 Why Ethena’s USDe plunged from $15B to $10B
🔮 5:34 Rob’s view on the future of Ethena
💸 7:06 Why Spark exited Ethena despite being an early believer
⚔️ 11:32 Protocol-native stablecoins—and why Rob and Sam disagree about the trend
💡 21:03 What it really takes to win the stablecoin wars + what makes Tempo's strategy “interesting”
💳 32:11 Tether’s USAT launch: can it succeed?
🏦 36:27 How Tether and Ripple are using the same acquisition playbook
🔥 39:40 Plasma’s emissions strategy and whether it’s sustainable
🏛️ 44:10 Inside Circle’s Arc testnet and its 100+ institutional partners
⛓️ 51:08 Codex and the debate: should stablechains be L1s or L2s?
💵 56:42 How Spark aims to stand out in the new wave of stablecoin competition
🏢 1:00:04 Why TradFi players are entering the space with so much strength
🚀 1:06:04 Why Rob remains so bullish on the future of stablecoins
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Bridging DeFi and TradFi: Niklas Kunkel on Chronicle Labs and the Future of Finance
In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, we sit down with Nicholas Kunkel, Founder of Chronicle Labs and a pioneer in the world of decentralized finance (DeFi). From his early days at MakerDAO, where he helped build the first oracles and decentralized exchanges, to launching Chronicle Labs, Nicholas shares his journey of innovation and problem-solving in the crypto space.
We dive into the challenges of building efficient oracles, the rise of tokenized real-world assets (RWAs), and the convergence of traditional finance (TradFi) with DeFi. Nicholas also discusses the technical and strategic differences between Chronicle Labs and other oracle providers, the role of tokenized assets in reshaping finance, and his ambitious vision for a future where decentralized and traditional finance merge seamlessly.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Niklas Kunkel, Founder of Chronicle
00:22 From MakerDAO to Chronicle Labs: Building the first oracles and decentralized exchanges.
01:23 The Birth of Oracles
05:27 Chronicle Labs vs. Competitors
10:11 Exploring the role of tokenized treasuries, private credit, and other RWAs in DeFi.
13:07 Challenges of RWA Integration: Data requirements, liquidity concerns, and the complexities of tokenizing real-world assets.
21:30 Convergence of DeFi and TradFi
25:33 Chronicle’s Business Model
30:24 Scaling tokenized assets to surpass crypto-native assets in total value secured.
34:19 Long-Term Vision
35:44 Closing Thoughts
Spark (SPK): The DeFi Protocol Redefining Finance with Explosive Growth and Innovation
In this episode of The Defiant Podcast, we sit down with Sam MacPherson, CEO and co-founder of Phoenix Labs, to discuss Spark (SPK)—the DeFi protocol making waves in the cryptocurrency world. From its groundbreaking subDAO model to its recent $10 billion TVL milestone, Spark is reshaping decentralized finance. We dive into the latest developments, including the Ignition Airdrop and institutional adoption. Tune in to explore how Spark is bridging the gap between traditional finance and DeFi, and what the future holds for this rapidly evolving ecosystem.Chapters00:00 - IntroductionMeet Sam Macpherson, CEO of Phoenix Labs, and the vision behind Spark.01:23 - Spark’s Rapid GrowthHow Spark became one of the biggest DeFi protocols with $10B TVL.05:10 - The SubDAO ModelBalancing decentralization and nimbleness to scale effectively.08:05 - Why Decentralization MattersSam’s passionate defense of decentralization as a core principle for global infrastructure.12:00 - Challenges of Traditional DAOsThe limitations of flat governance structures and how Spark overcame them.15:30 - Ignition Airdrop and Overdrive PhaseHow staking incentives are driving SPK adoption and price action.20:00 - Institutional AdoptionSpark’s partnerships with Coinbase, BlackRock, and the rise of tokenized RWAs.24:00 - Spark Liquidity LayerEnhancing governance and liquidity.27:16 - Spark Token LaunchGovernance, staking, and how SPK empowers the community.30:00 - Transparency in DeFiSpark’s commitment to making every layer of its ecosystem visible.35:00 - The Future of StablecoinsWhy scaling stablecoins requires diverse collateral types.38:00 - Bitcoin-Backed LoansTapping into new markets with OTC Bitcoin loans and institutional interest.42:00 - Bridging DeFi and Traditional FinanceHow Spark is integrating with fintechs and creating seamless user experiences.45:00 - Ethereum’s Role in DeFiSam’s thoughts on Ethereum’s evolution and its renewed optimism.
Why the Founders of Aave and Sky Are Still Bullish on Ethereum DeFi - Ep. 781
Despite the ups and downs of the Ethereum ecosystem, two of its most influential builders—Aave’s Stani Kulechov and Sky’s Rune Christensen—remain bullish.
In this episode, they discuss whether we’re witnessing a DeFi renaissance, the challenges of building on Ethereum vs. Solana, and why DeFi adoption isn’t growing as fast as some expected. They debate stablecoins, whether Solana is truly innovating, and how AI could transform DeFi by automating governance and risk management.
They also respond to some hot takes—including whether Aave is falling behind Solana-based Kamino, and why Sky deployed its USDS stablecoin on Solana despite Rune’s long-standing Ethereum advocacy.
Show highlights:
02:33 Whether Sky and Aave are experiencing a “DeFi renaissance”
11:49 How Stani and Rune are trying to appeal to a simpler audience
23:00 Whether developers overlook how easy it is to build DeFi on Ethereum
27:40 Why Stani believes there is not a lot of innovation in Solana
32:17 What would need to happen for Aave to be in Solana
33:27 Why Sky deployed USDS on Solana
40:30 Whether the Ethereum ecosystem should be worried about users going to other chains
49:19 Why Rune praises Solana’s culture
51:38 How USDS’s growth on Base happens organically, contrary to Solana
59:35 Why they believe that the combination of AI and DeFi will be so powerful
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Guest:
Stani Kulechov, Founder and CEO of Aave
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Stani Kulechov on Why Aave Is So Successful - Unchained
The Chopping Block w/ Stani Kulechov: Operation Chokepoint 2.0, Ethereum Innovation Push, & Polymarket Whales - Unchained
Rune Christensen, Co-founder of Sky
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Can Maker’s Rune Christensen Fix the Sad State of DAO Governance?
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 1: How to Keep a Crypto-Collateralized Stablecoin Afloat
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 2: How Dai Stayed at $1 While ETH Crashed From $1,400 to $85
The Chopping Block: How to Manage MakerDAO, With Hasu and Rune
Rune Christensen of MakerDao on Its $15 Million From Andreessen Horowitz
Why It’s so Hard to Keep Stablecoins Stable
Links
Aave 2030 roadmap
Alex Svanevik of Nansen tweeted: “When Aave on Solana?”
Qiao Wang of Alliance DAO commenting on why he recommends people build on Solana
The First Non-EVM Deployment of Aave Protocol: Aave V3 on Aptos - General - Aptos Forum
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Crypto has a major problem says MakerDAO Co-Founder
This conversation between The Defiant and Rune Christensen was recorded during Devconnect 2023 in Istanbul.
Chapters
0:28 Why Rune is in Istanbul
1:02 Crypto Adoption in Türkiye
5:03 Interest for DeFi in Türkiye
8:09 Emerging Markets
10:50 Regulatory Landscape in Türkiye
24:15 MakerDAO Rebrand
27:51 MakerDAO Endgame Update
33:57 MakerDAO's Exposure to T-Bills vs Macro Conditions
38:00 Different Stablecoins
47:14 MKR and Governance
Can Maker’s Rune Christensen Fix the Sad State of DAO Governance? - Ep. 534
The height of the last bull run was when MakerDAO cofounder Rune Christensen felt most disillusioned by DeFi and DAOs. “I didn’t even see how Maker was going to survive,” Christensen tells Laura Shin in the latest episode of Unchained. Now Christensen is leading an effort to help DAOs escape their trough of disillusionment. He says the ambitious “Endgame Plan” for MakerDAO seeks to overcome “the central issue of voter apathy.” Will it work or are DAOs doomed to fail?
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
the disillusionment that comes with the growth of DAOs and the need for a new approach
Rune’s insights into the challenges that most DAOs face
how Maker plans to implement alignment engineering through tools, gamification, and incentives
what each phase of Maker’s “Endgame Plan” seeks to accomplish
the strategy behind Maker’s rebranding, including the launch of new tokens while maintaining MKR and DAI
the importance of governance boundaries in ensuring that participants follow the rules and contribute constructively
the goal to reach a state of ossification and certainty, similar to Bitcoin
the challenges of renaming tokens and the decision to keep the original brands
why Rune believes that Phase 2 of the Endgame Plan will change the industry
how SubDAOs will work to align incentives, improve the organization, and avoid ponzi schemes
what Maker’s “Atlas” is and how it intends to set boundaries
how Maker plans to use artificial intelligence
the role of delegates in the DAO and how users choose them
the difference between “dovish” and “hawkish” governance
what the motivation was for launching the Spark lending protocol
why the DAI Savings Rate (DSR) is not offered to American investors and Rune’s take on DeFi regulation
why South Korea and Japan are the best crypto environments in the world, according to Rune
whether Maker should be doing more to mitigate the influence of “whales,” given that Rune owns about 10% of the MKR supply
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Guest:
Rune Christensen, Cofounder of MakerDAO
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 1: How to Keep a Crypto-Collateralized Stablecoin Afloat
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 2: How Dai Stayed at $1 While ETH Crashed From $1,400 to $85
The Chopping Block: How to Manage MakerDAO, With Hasu and Rune
Rune Christensen of MakerDao on Its $15 Million From Andreessen Horowitz
Why It's so Hard to Keep Stablecoins Stable
Links
Unchained:
MakerDAO: The DeFi Protocol That Lets You Be Your Own Banker
MakerDAO’s Spark Protocol Blocks VPN Users
MakerDAO to Raise DAI Yield Amid Lower Demand for Stablecoin
Maker Founder Proposes Changing DAI Savings Rate to 5%
The Defiant: Christensen Drops Radical Plan to Remake MakerDAO and Address 'Fundamental Problems',
Christensen’s Twitter thread explaining Endgame
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MakerDAO's Endgame: The Boldest Gamble in Crypto History | Rune Christensen
Today we are joined by Rune Christensen to discuss MakerDAO's Endgame. The Endgame is MakerDAO's roadmap to create the world's most widely used stablecoin. We discuss how Maker has evolved since 2015, MKR's underperformance, the 5 phases of the Endgame, what could go wrong and more!
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Timestamps:
00:00 MakerDAO's History: From Creation to Today
08:51 Codifying Rules to Scale
19:36 MKR’s Underperformance vs DAI’s Growth
24:36 Quicknode
26:25 Phase 1: Rebranding, New Tokens, Farming
37:37 Phase 2: SubDAOs, RWA Collateral & Tokenomics
55:59 Phase 3: Implementing AI
01:01:20 Phase 4 & 5: Voting Rewards and a Special Purpose Blockchain
01:05:40 The Bear Case
01:10:10 Allocator DAOs and Internalizing Value
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Resources
The Endgame Plan parts 1&2 (May 2022)
https://forum.makerdao.com/t/the-endgame-plan-parts-1-2/15456
The 5 phases of Endgame (May 2023)
https://forum.makerdao.com/t/the-5-phases-of-endgame/20830
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MakerDAO’s Growth Strategy | monetsupply and Sam MacPherson
In this episode of Empire, Jason is joined by two of MakerDAO's top contributors, monetsupply and Sam MacPherson, to discuss the future of MakerDAO and the DAI stablecoin.
Highlights include:
-- Is USDC an existential risk to MakerDAO?
-- Why is Maker financing off-chain assets?
-- How can DAI scale to become the de facto money of DeFi?
Tune in to find out!
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(00:00) Introduction
(00:18) How Big Of a Threat Are US Sanctions?
(05:34) The Importance of Maker's PSM
(11:30) What Is the Ideal Basket of Collateral for DAI?
(18:05) Embracing Real World Asset Lending
(25:20) Tokenizing Assets & the Huntington Valley Loan
(28:16) Increasing Maker's Surplus Buffer
(34:16) The D3M and Specialized Lending Partners
(42:01) CeFi Contagion and Liquidation
(44:38) Vertical Integration Across the DeFi Stack
(52:02) Maker's Evolving Governance
(59:57) Are A DAO's Inefficiency Tradeoffs Worth It?
(1:05:04) Maker's Long-Term Vision
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Resources
MakerDAO
https://makerdao.com/en/
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The Chopping Block: How to Manage MakerDAO, With Hasu and Rune - Ep. 383
Welcome to The Chopping Block! Crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest news in the digital asset industry. In this episode, Hasu, the gourmand of governance and Rune Christensen, chief mischief maker at MKR, discuss how to manage a DAO, their respective visions for MakerDAO, and much more.
Show topics:
What MakerDAO is, how DAI works and whether it is the “central bank” of DeFi
How the visions for MakerDAO of Hasu and Rune differ
Whether Maker should only hold highly liquid collateral assets
Hasu’s mental model of DAI as eurodollars
The role of real-world assets in backing DAI
What the purpose of a DAO is and how it differs from a legal entity
Whether people behave in their purest form within a DAO
How DAI can create positive externalities and make a better world
How crypto holders are not only in it for the money but also for the philosophy
What the “decentralized stablecoin trilemma” is
Whether there’s a need for dollar-denominated collateral for DAI to work
What “clean money” is according to Rune
Why Rune thinks having a single council is not viable due to the political risks and whether the solution is to have multiple councils
How to keep the principal-agent problem in check, according to Hasu
Why Hasu believes council members wouldn’t pursue their own interests and go against the benefit of MKR token holders
Whether a council would be corruptible and the dangers that it entails
What kind of interests should be represented in the council
Whether Maker can create more synthetic assets
The iron law bureaucracy and how it relates to governance
How to design the DAO to be steered in alignment with the token holders
Whether ossification is a feature to be pursued, and where innovation happens
How complexity is very expensive for an organization
Hosts
Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly Capital
https://twitter.com/hosseeb
Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly Capital
https://twitter.com/tomhschmidt
Robert Leshner, founder of Compound
https://twitter.com/rleshner
Hasu
Twitter: https://twitter.com/hasufl
Rune Christensen
Twitter: https://twitter.com/RuneKek
Episode Links
MakerDAO
Hasu’s governance proposal: https://vote.makerdao.com/address/0xafaff1a605c373b43727136c995d21a7fcd08989#delegate-credentials
Rune’s proposal - the endgame: https://forum.makerdao.com/t/the-endgame-plan-parts-1-2/15456
Proposal to add a lending oversight core unit: https://forum.makerdao.com/t/mip39c2-sp33-adding-lending-oversight-core-unit-love-001/15098
Previous Coverage of Unchained:
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 1: How to Keep a Crypto-Collateralized Stablecoin Afloat: https://unchainedpodcast.com/rune-christensen-of-makerdao-part-1-how-to-keep-a-crypto-collateralized-stablecoin-afloat/
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 2: How Dai Stayed at $1 While ETH Crashed From $1,400 to $85: https://unchainedpodcast.com/rune-christensen-of-makerdao-part-2-how-dai-stayed-at-1-while-eth-crashed-from-1400-to-85/
The Rise of MakerDAO: A Personal Journey: https://unchainedpodcast.com/the-rise-of-makerdao-a-personal-journey/
Real World Assets:
Huntingdon Valley Bank (“HVB”) proposal: https://forum.makerdao.com/t/huntingdon-valley-bank-hvb-rwa-collateral-onboarding-risk-assessment/15828
$500 million allocation proposal: https://forum.makerdao.com/t/signal-request-asset-allocation-of-mip65-clydesdale/15922
The stablecoin trilemma: https://fluid.ch/stablecoin-trilemma/#:~:text=A%20deeper%20dive%20into%20the,decide%20on%20the%20stablecoin%20supply.
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The Bull Case for MKR | Sam MacPherson, Niklas Kunkel & monetsupply.eth
MakerDAO is one of the most underappreciated DAOs in DeFi. At least, that's what David thinks. We're bringing on three DAO members to discuss the most bullish elements about MakerDAO. Hear how their recent deal with Tesla (yes, the real-world electric car manufacturer) happened, what it means for their future, how the $MKR tokenomics work, and so much more!
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Resources:
MakerDAO: https://twitter.com/MakerDAO
Sam MacPherson: https://mobile.twitter.com/hexonaut
Niklas Kunkel: https://twitter.com/nomos_paradox
monetsupply.eth https://twitter.com/MonetSupply
Maker Burner www.makerburn.com
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87 - The Future of Maker | Rune Christensen
Rune Christensen is the Founder of MakerDAO and one of the pioneers of the DeFi space. As one of the earliest DeFi protocols, Maker set precedents for tokenomics, governance, and use cases. Maker is setting new precedents with the recent announcement of Société Générale's proposal for a Maker loan using bond tokens.
As a thought leader in Crypto, Rune has had some fascinating takes lately on the plausibility of a multichain future, as well as how incentives can turn DAI into a clean money. From maximalism to environmentalism, this conversation explores it all.
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Rune on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RuneKek?s=20 MakerDAO: https://makerdao.com/en/ The Case for Clean Money: https://twitter.com/RuneKek/status/1445072416598859781?s=20 The L1 Future: https://twitter.com/RuneKek/status/1436454065760788483?s=20
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Mariano Conti | Layer Zero
Mariano Conti is a pillar in the crypto space. Known for revolutionizing smart contracts with Maker, he has built a long resume of building and investing in key projects. He's also a fascinating human being with a unique story.
Tune in to hear Mariano's takes on how the pandemic shaped crypto's narrative, Bull vs Bear markets, finding passion and community, and his musings on going anonymous.
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"Having Legal Tender in a Currency You Cannot Control Means You Cannot Print Problems Away:" Mariano Conti
In this week’s episode I speak with Mariano Conti, the former head of smart contracts at MakerDAO. Mariano knows the value of having permissionless and uncensorable currencies first hand —he started earning in Bitcoin in 2014 in Argentina because pesos would instantly lose value and it was hard to get dollars. When he learned about Ethereum he went all in and started working at Makerdao before DeFi was even a thing in 2016. When Dai was created, he was one of the first to take out a collateralized loan against his ETH and used that loan to buy a car. It must have been the first DeFi loan used to buy an actual physical thing.
The crypto space has come a long way since with an entire financial system built out of money legos and this week with a huge milestone of El Salvador becoming the first country to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender. Mariano talks about this historical moment and why it’s significant that it was a Latin American country to take this step.
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STATE OF THE NATION #12 - Tuesday, September 1, 2020 State of the Bankless Nation is....POSITIONING! The bankless boys discuss why. Special Guest...Mariano Conti. Follow Mariano here: https://twitter.com/nanexcool/
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STATE OF THE NATION #12 - Tuesday, September 1, 2020
The State of the Bankless Nation is....POSITIONING! The bankless boys discuss why.
Special Guest...Mariano Conti.
Follow Mariano here:
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TOPICS:
1) YEARN DEEP DIVE (yETH is HUGE)
2) ETHEREUM GOLDEN AGE
3) SUSHI VS UNISWAP
4) ETH P/E IS HILARIOUS
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5) YFI governance staking - https://ygov.finance/staking
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El Auge de MakerDAO: Un Viaje Personal - Ep.171
Hi everyone, this is an essay by Mariano Conti of MakerDAO that was so popular, personal and relatable, especially to those living in Latin America, that we decided to have Mariano translate it and read it in Spanish. Share it with your Spanish-speaking friends who still don’t understand what crypto is about, to show how it solved real-world problems for at least one person.
Mariano Conti, jefe de contratos inteligentes de MakerDAO, nos lee su ensayo sobre su experiencia personal con criptomonedas, desde el punto de vista de un Argentino cuya familia ha experimentado períodos de hiperinflación, y de un freelancer que recibe pagos por su trabajo desde varios países. Mariano describe la evolución de Maker desde Dai de Colateral Único (ahora Sai) hasta Dai Multi Colateral, y también brinda su perspectiva de los eventos del Jueves Negro y las subastas de deuda subsecuentes que el protocolo debió llevar a cabo para regularizar su situación.
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9 - Going Bankless with Maker | Mariano Conti
Episode: #9 April 27, 2020
Ryan & David talk with Mariano Conti about Dai, Maker, & his epic bankless journey. Learn how Maker can help you go bankless through this conversation with Mariano.
We talk:
Mariano's life in midst of Argentina's capital controls
Why Mariano moved from Bitcoin to DAI and Ether
The components of Maker including: DAI (stability)
Vault/CDP (credit)
Dai Savings Rate (interest)
Governance (MKR token)
Centralization risks of Maker
Is Maker the last say on decentralized stablecoins?
What's it going to take to see 1m people into DAI?
This is our first of three episodes in the "King Money Protocols Series" where we talk through the three most important DeFi protocols. Stay tuned for the next two episodes! Before the episode begins we also talk about: The Lendfme hack & what it implies
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The Rise of MakerDAO: A Personal Journey - Ep.167
Mariano Conti of MakerDAO, head of smart contracts at MakerDAO, reads from his essay about his personal experience with cryptocurrency, particularly as an Argentine whose family has experienced periods of hyperinflation, and as a freelancer accepting payment from foreign countries. He describes the evolution of Maker from single-collateral Dai (now Sai) to multi-collateral Dai, and also gives his perspective on the events of Black Thursday and the subsequent debt auctions the protocol undertook to right itself.
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MakerDAO Founder Rune Christensen On DeFi's Biggest Test Yet
In this week’s episode we speak with Rune Christensen, the founder of MakerDAO, the largest lending platform by assets in decentralized finance and the issuer of the Dai stablecoin. Rune has been in crypto since 2011 and is no stranger to volatility and crazy market conditions. Still, last month was the most shocking for him yet. On March 12th, MakerDAO’s mechanism to heal loans that become under-collateralized broke down amid the market crash, allowing one trader to run off with more than $4 million in free ether. He calls it Maker’s toughest test yet, and he believes the protocol passed it.
Key things we talked about:
MakerDAO’s plan to hand control to its community and dissolve the Maker Foundation
MKR auction and token whales
The decision to add centralized collateral to back Dai
Whether Maker will add Bitcoin as collateral and create a euro-pegged Dai
Collateral holders who lost 100% of their funds in the March 12 crash
Rune’s long-term vision for DeFi and Maker, as an enabler for financial inclusion
Think a DAO Will Automate Things? Think Again - Ep.141
Mariano Conti, the head of smart contracts for MakerDAO and creator of SelloutDAO, and Peter Pan, the summoner for Metacartel DAO, discuss all things DAOs, including how Peter started Metacartel DAO after being rejected from MolochDAO, and why Mariano initially voted against Peter joining. (Peter eventually joined.) They also discuss how they came to form YangDAO, why Mariano almost rage quit MolochDAO after the YangDAO formed, and how other MolochDAO members felt about SelloutDAO, which Mariano describes as an experiment in "on-chain corruption." We discuss how DAOs are actually heavily built on trust and why they require a lot of social coordination off-chain. They also discuss funding for LAOs, which have a legal entity such as an LLC affiliated with them, why Metacartel is launching a LAO, and which types of projects should be funded by DAOs vs traditional corporate structures. We also cover governance issues at MakerDAO, why it has a CEO, and what role leadership in general plays in a DAO.
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Episode links:
Mariano Conti: https://twitter.com/nanexcool
Peter Pan: https://twitter.com/pet3rpan_
MakerDAO: https://makerdao.com/en/
https://chat.makerdao.com
Metacartel DAO: https://www.metacartel.org/
https://twitter.com/meta_cartel
SelloutDAO: https://selloutdao.com/
Unchained interview with Ameen Soleimani of MolochDAO: https://unchainedpodcast.com/molochdao-could-this-decentralized-autonomous-organization-help-ethereum-scale-faster/
Unchained interview with Santiago Siri: https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-blockchains-can-help-create-little-democracies-everywhere/
DAO Revival: https://www.coindesk.com/in-berlin-a-dao-renaissance-begins
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-10-05/crypto-rebels-trip-over-each-other-en-route-to-financial-utopia
Andy Milenius’s account of MakerDAO’s change from a decentralized to a centralized project: https://www.scribd.com/document/407743542/Zandy-s-Story
CoinDesk story on the rift: https://www.coindesk.com/darkest-days-yet-purple-pill-tell-all-details-years-long-rift-at-heart-of-makerdao-stablecoin-project
Two most recent MakerDAO votes: https://vote.makerdao.com/executive-proposal/keep-the-stability-fee-set-to-a-total-of-105-per-year
https://vote.makerdao.com/executive-proposal/lower-the-stability-fee-by-2-to-a-total-of-85-per-year
https://vote.makerdao.com/polling-proposal/qmpem83sxjjwe1jvn2csdtetn4r3j95ejuzpbmtxef4lu5
Unchained interviews with Rune Christensen of MakerDAO: Part 1: https://unchainedpodcast.com/rune-christensen-of-makerdao-part-1-how-to-keep-a-crypto-collateralized-stablecoin-afloat/
Part 2: https://unchainedpodcast.com/rune-christensen-of-makerdao-part-2-how-dai-stayed-at-1-while-eth-crashed-from-1400-to-85/
MakerDAO vulnerabilities:
ETH could have been stolen: https://hackerone.com/reports/684092
https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/10/03/makerdao-security-vulnerability-ethereum-dai-stablecoin-collapse-theft-cryptocurrency/
The LAO: https://medium.com/openlawofficial/the-lao-a-for-profit-limited-liability-autonomous-organization-9eae89c9669c
Critique of the LAO: https://prestonbyrne.com/2019/09/03/the-lao-demystified/
MakerDAO launching multi-collateral Dai: https://www.coindesk.com/makerdaos-multi-collateral-dai-token-is-launching-nov-18
https://blog.makerdao.com/breaking-launch-date-of-multi-collateral-dai-announced-at-devcon-5/
Are DAO’s legal? https://www.coindesk.com/new-interest-in-daos-prompts-old-question-are-they-legal
Unconfirmed interview with Uniswap: https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-uniswap-quickly-became-one-of-the-most-popular-dexes/
Unconfirmed episode with Ryan Zurrer about resurrecting the DAO: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-ryan-zurrer-would-like-to-see-a-new-dao/
Unchained interview with Aragon: https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-aragon-hopes-to-improve-on-democracy/
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Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 2: How Dai Stayed at $1 While ETH Crashed From $1,400 to $85 - Ep.105
Rune Christensen, CEO and cofounder of MakerDAO, explains how multicollateral Dai will work, what happens if one type of collateral fails, and what happens when someone's collateralized debt position with multicollateral Dai needs to be liquidated. He also discusses who gets to participate in the various levels of governance with the MKR token, who owns those tokens and what the purpose of the Maker Foundation is. We also cover whether the CFTC would consider collateralized debt positions to be derivatives and therefore under its purview, how Dai is being used and how much education is required for people to use the system.
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Rune Christensen: https://twitter.com/RuneKek
Previous Unchained episode on stablecoins with Rune and Philip Rosedale of High Fidelity: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-its-so-hard-to-keep-stablecoins-stable/
Unconfirmed episode with Rune on Andreessen Horowitz’s $15 million investment: https://unchainedpodcast.com/rune-christensen-of-makerdao-on-its-15-million-from-andreessen-horowitz-ep-039/
Part 1 of my interview with Rune: https://unchainedpodcast.com/rune-christensen-of-makerdao-part-1-how-to-keep-a-crypto-collateralized-stablecoin-afloat/
Digital Asset Research report on MakerDAO: https://www.digitalassetresearch.com/our-products/#in-depth-research
CFTC smart contracts primer prohibiting derivatives contracts that are traded on exchanges that are supposed to be registered with the CFTC and are not. https://www.cftc.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/LabCFTC_PrimerSmartContracts112718.pdf
Nice recap of how Dai has performed as ETH has dropped in price: https://medium.com/@mikeraymcdonald/single-collateral-dai-9-months-in-review-b9d9fbe45ab
MKR Tools website: https://mkr.tools/tokens/dai
Description of Maker Tools: https://medium.com/@mikeraymcdonald/announcing-the-new-mkr-tools-e32466f1c3db
Maintaining its peg as ETH dropped:
https://medium.com/makerdao/volatile-times-dai-as-a-safe-haven-2f017453e9f1
MakerDAO and Wyre partnership: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/makerdao-and-wyre-give-businesses-immediate-access-to-dai-stablecoin-in-over-thirty-countries-including-usa-300696400.html
ETH in DeFi projects: https://mikemcdonald.github.io/eth-defi/
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Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 1: How to Keep a Crypto-Collateralized Stablecoin Afloat - Ep.104
Rune Christensen, CEO and cofounder of MakerDAO, explains the intricacies of the MakerDAO system, which includes the stablecoin Dai, which is pegged to $1, backed by collateral, and whose governance is managed by holders of the MKR token. He describes how the current version of "single-collateral" Dai, is backed by ether, how Dai is created with a collateralized debt position and what happens when the value of the collateral falls too low. He also talks about the roles of various players in the system, such as keepers, oracles and MKR token holders. We also cover how the system handles black swan events or other emergencies. The MakerDAO system is so complex, however, that we will reconvene for a part 2 to describe the rest of the system and how a multi-collateral Dai will function.
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Unconfirmed episode with Rune on Andreessen Horowitz's $15 million investment: https://unchainedpodcast.com/rune-christensen-of-makerdao-on-its-15-million-from-andreessen-horowitz-ep-039/
MakerDAO white paper: https://makerdao.com/en/whitepaper/
Decreasing the stability fee: https://medium.com/makerdao/decreasing-the-stability-fee-1f9fe50cf582
Unchained episode on generalized mining with Jake Brukhman and Tushar Jain: https://unchainedpodcast.com/coinfunds-jake-brukhman-and-multicoins-tushar-jain-on-generalized-mining-ep-92/
Laura's TEDx talk: https://unchainedpodcast.com/lauras-tedx-talk-how-crypto-could-allow-more-people-to-be-their-own-boss-ep-047/
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TrueUSD's trust companies and their correspondent banks: https://blog.trusttoken.com/who-are-the-correspondent-banks-and-trustee-partners-for-trueusd-e12508f0d5a2
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Why It's so Hard to Keep Stablecoins Stable
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO and Philip Rosedale, founder of Second Life and High Fidelity, discuss why stablecoins are called crypto's holy grail, why they may be what's necessary for mainstream adoption, and all the ways a stablecoin can be constructed. Philip brings in his experience with Second Life's Linden dollars, often called the first true virtual currency, to describe how it was constructed and how he's planning to disseminate the cryptocurrency of his new virtual world, High Fidelity. Plus, we talk about why a digital USD wouldn't be a threat to stablecoins and whether collateralized stablecoins resemble fractional reserve banking or not.
Maker DAO: https://makerdao.com/
High Fidelity: https://highfidelity.com/
HFC: https://docs.highfidelity.com/high-fidelity-commerce/basics/hfc
More info on Linden dollars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Second_Life
The Hacker Noon post by Haseeb Qureshi: https://hackernoon.com/stablecoins-designing-a-price-stable-cryptocurrency-6bf24e2689e5
IMF SDRs: http://www.imf.org/en/About/Factsheets/Sheets/2016/08/01/14/51/Special-Drawing-Right-SDR
Episode with Bill Tai: http://unchainedpodcast.co/maitai-globals-bill-tai-on-why-blockchain-is-the-6th-wave-of-technology
Vitalik's post on collateralized debt obligations for issuer-backed tokens: https://ethresear.ch/t/collateralized-debt-obligations-for-issuer-backed-tokens/525
Other stablecoins:
Tether: https://tether.to/
Basecoin: http://www.getbasecoin.com/
Havven: https://havven.io/
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