Chainalysis

Late last week, U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission chair Gary Gensler said that he was “proud to serve” the agency, which some are taking as a hint at an upcoming resignation. Gensler has faced heavy criticism for his crackdown on crypto, including a recent lawsuit from 18 states, and is likely to be replaced under President-Elect Donald Trump who has vowed to oust Gensler. On Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Trump is meeting with Brian Armstrong, the CEO of crypto exchange Coinbase, to discuss potential personnel appointments.  Today on Equity, we're bringing you an interview between Rebecca Bellan and co-founder and CSO of  blockchain analysis firm Chainalysis, Jonathan Levin. The pair caught up at our Strictly VC event in New York shortly before the Gary Gensler news dropped to discuss:  The imminent change for crypto in the wake of the US election  Trends in crypto crime Chainalysis’s choice to run its operations in the US  How to build trust in crypto Equity is TechCrunch’s flagship podcast, produced by Theresa Loconsolo, and posts every Wednesday and Friday.  Subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify and all the casts. You also can follow Equity on X and Threads, at @EquityPod. For the full episode transcript, for those who prefer reading over listening, check out our full archive of episodes over at Simplecast.   Credits: Equity is produced by Theresa Loconsolo with editing by Kell. Bryce Durbin is our Illustrator. We'd also like to thank the audience development team and Henry Pickavet, who manages TechCrunch audio products. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jonathan Levin

Co-Founder and Chief Strategy Officer

ChainalysisStanford Graduate School of Business

The recent Wall Street Journal article that claimed Hamas raised $130 million via cryptocurrency has sparked considerable debate, especially after Sen. Elizabeth Warren used it as her sole source to ask for tighter regulations around crypto. However, the veracity of this claim has come under scrutiny.  Yaya Fanusie, Jessi Brooks, and Andrew Fierman delve into the veracity of reported figures, the methodology behind them, and the subsequent industry responses that sought to correct the public record. They examine the political implications of cryptocurrency, its use in funding organizations, and the nuanced role of stablecoins in this digital economy. Additionally, they address the broader challenges in regulating crypto to prevent illicit funding, emphasizing the need for factual accuracy and a comprehensive approach to understanding and tackling such complex issues.  Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights: how the Wall Street Journal article claimed that Hamas and other militant groups in Palestine raised $130 million via crypto why Yaya, who spent some time in his career doing research on terrorist financing, found those numbers odd why Jessi believes that there's been a loss of focus on facts and accuracy Andrew's explanation of the post by Chainalysis that corrected the record why it's so difficult to make a confident assessment of how much money is being funneled to terrorist groups whether crypto has become politicized  why is it so important to focus not only on the crypto fundraising but also the other avenues, according to Jessi the role of USDT and other stablecoins in fundraising terrorist organizations how North Korea is a much more sophisticated actor than Hamas in its know-how about crypto how the government has tried to respond to the illicit usage of crypto, such as the OFAC sanctions on Tornado cash the challenges to creating regulations to prevent the use of illicit activity in crypto Thank you to our sponsors! Crypto.com LayerZero Popcorn Network Guests: Yaya Fanusie, Director of anti-money laundering and cyber risk at the Crypto Council for Innovation Previous appearance on Unchained: How Widespread Is Money Laundering in Crypto? Hamas has been experimenting with crypto for years: Yaya Fanusie, appearance on FOX Business Jessi Brooks, CCO and Legal Officer at Ribbit Capital Previous appearance on Unchained: How This DOJ Strike Force Hunts Down Cryptocurrency Criminals Andrew Fierman, Head of Sanctions Strategy at Chainalysis  Links Fundraising report and corrections: WSJ:  Hamas Militants Behind Israel Attack Raised Millions in Crypto Cryptocurrency Feeds Hamas’s Terrorism Questioning Two Senators on Crypto Terrorism Washington Post:  U.S. to warn crypto firms against financing Hamas, terror groups  U.S. Cyber Command helps prosecutors seize stolen cryptocurrency traced to illicit N. Korea nuclear weapons program FT: Israel orders freeze on crypto accounts in bid to block funding for Hamas Fortune: Stricter verification laws in the U.S. won’t stop international terrorists from using crypto DOJ: Global Disruption of Three Terror Finance Cyber-Enabled Campaigns Elliptic:  Setting the record straight on crypto crowdfunding by Hamas How Hamas has utilized crypto, and what may be coming Chainalysis:  Cryptocurrency and Terrorism Financing: Correcting the Record DOJ Takedowns Terrorism Financing with Blockchain Analysis Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yaya Fanusie

Crypto Policy Researcher

Center for a New American SecurityFoundation for Defense of Democracies

Jessi Brooks

Researcher

Chainalysis

Andrew Fierman

Researcher

Chainalysis

Earlier this week, Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin and four co-authors published a paper describing a smart contract protocol called privacy pools that would enable crypto users to associate their funds with those being used for legitimate purposes versus those being used in criminal activity such as hacks or money laundering. The protocol addresses one of the main shortcomings of coin mixer Tornado Cash, which has been sanctioned by the U.S. government.  Chainalysis chief scientist Jacob Illum, one of those co-authors, discusses the impetus for the paper, the technology behind privacy pools and how they would work in practice, who would provide some of the necessary organization to operate the pools, and some of the early criticisms of the paper. Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights: what the current state of crypto privacy is and what the motivation was to write this paper what privacy pools are and how they work how zero-knowledge proofs are the key technology behind privacy pools what the role of association set providers is in making this new technology work what would happen in different potential scenarios, such as a "bad address" being discovered after a transaction has been made how the protocol would protect the privacy and identity of the users how law enforcement, credit score agencies and other organizations could have "special viewing privileges" of transactions, according to Jacob how the community has been reacting to the recently published paper Jacob’s response to criticisms the paper has received from industry players why Chainalysis participated in the paper given that many people see them as 'anti-privacy' Thank you to our sponsors! Crypto.com Arbitrum Foundation Thales DAO Toku Guest Jacob Illum, chief scientist at Chainalysis Links Unchained: Tornado Cash Cofounder Arrested, Another Sanctioned by U.S. Government CoinDesk: Crypto-Mixing Service Tornado Cash Blacklisted by US Treasury Blockchain Privacy and Regulatory Compliance: Towards a Practical Equilibrium Matt Corallo’s tweet Crypto lawyer Preston Byrne’s tweet Previous coverage of Unchained on Tornado Cash: The Chopping Block: 'Code Is Law' Is 'Obviously Not How Anything Works Ever' The Chopping Block: Why DeFi May Be Over-Complying With Tornado Cash Sanctions Preston Van Loon on Ethereum’s Merge and His Lawsuit Against TreasuryGiven the Sanctions on Tornado Cash, Is Ethereum Censorship Resistant? The Chopping Block: Did OFAC Overstep by Sanctioning Tornado Cash? Tornado Cash Sanctioned. Did the Government Overstep Its Bounds? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jacob Illum

Chief Scientist

Chainalysis

Jon Levin has been teaching at Stanford for more than 20 years, and has been the dean of the famous Graduate School of Business since 2016. Although teaching at Stanford puts him in contact with some of the most promising future entrepreneurs in tech, he says he hasn’t yet been tempted to leave academia for a startup because “I actually love being part of an institution that’s gonna be around for hundreds of years.” As public trust in institutions has eroded in recent years, Jon and his colleagues have had to make changes. For example: Proactively challenging GSB students to think about “What does it mean to be a leader of an organization in today’s world?” In this episode, Jon and Joubin discuss honorific names, applying research in the real world, matching med school students, the “endless frontier,” the globalization of innovation, the entrepreneurial “itch,” the erosion of trust in institutions, US-China relations, students from Ukraine and Russia, what the GSB admissions staff looks for, self-awareness, the “Touchy Feely” class, and the serendipity of in-person classes.  In this episode, we cover: The John Bates Clark Medal, and researching economic topics like auction design (01:56) Nobel Prize winners at the Stanford GSB and the uniqueness of the US university system (10:15) Teaching entrepreneurial students and the value of institutions (16:30) Being affirmative vs. reactive and how Jon measures success (23:07) International MBA students and the importance of geographic diversity (27:27) Growing up in an academic family and how Jon’s theory of teaching (34:47) The qualities that “great” GSB alumni have in common, and the gradual changes to business school cohorts (39:12)  The qualities of “great” faculty and what was lost when classes moved to Zoom during COVID (47:06) Links: Connect with JonLinkedIn Connect with JoubinTwitter LinkedIn Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com  Learn more about Kleiner Perkins This episode was edited by Eric Johnson from LightningPod.fm

Jonathan Levin

Co-Founder and Chief Strategy Officer

ChainalysisStanford Graduate School of Business

Chainalysis' Director of Research, Kim Grauer joins Jon Krohn to explore the state of economic-data analysis on the blockchain. This episode is brought to you by Datalore (datalore.online/SDS), the collaborative data science platform. Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Visit JonKrohn.com/podcast for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: • Kim's role as Director of Research [5:02] • The unique real-time economic-data analytics of the blockchain [13:07] • How ML can predict patterns of criminal activity on the blockchain [18:56] • Interesting use cases of ML for crime investigation [29:37] • The tools and approaches Kim uses daily [47:44] • The future of crypto, blockchains, and data science [50:54] • Why a data science bootcamp helps people break into data science [53:42] Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/625

Kim Grauer

Director of Research

Chainalysis

Cryptocurrency and blockchain take center stage this week as we welcome Chief Economist at Chainalysis, Philip Gradwell, to discuss the data science applications in this exciting field. This episode is brought to you by Datalore (datalore.online/SDS), the collaborative data science platform, by Zencastr (zen.ai/sds), the easiest way to make high-quality podcasts, and by Bunch (superdatascience.com/bunch), the AI driven leadership coach. Interested in sponsoring a SuperDataScience Podcast episode? Visit JonKrohn.com/podcast for sponsorship information. In this episode you will learn: • What the role of a chief economist entails [5:50] • What are blockchains and cryptocurrency? [8:23] • How analyzing cryptocurrencies differs from established fiat currencies [12:48] • Philip's work at Chainalysis [26:07] • Philip's crypto data analytics pipeline [34:48] • How Philip develops data products for a wide range of users [46:18] • How the blockchain facilitates innovative computing and machine learning technologies [51:52] • What Philip looks for in the data scientists he hires [1:04:59] Additional materials: www.superdatascience.com/621

Philip Gradwell

Chief Economist

Chainalysis

Crypto winter isn’t a disaster, it's an opportunity. That’s how Michael Gronager, CEO of $8 billion crypto data company Chainalysis, describes the crashing prices and bankruptcies that have roiled the cryptocurrency sector. Gronager offers an insider’s perspective on operating in a volatile marketplace, providing lessons on dreaming too big in boom times and on leaning into building and creating when lulls emerge. Chainalysis helps track financial flows on blockchains, including crypto criminals from North Korea and Russia. Despite current risks, Gronager argues, the still-emerging crypto sector is maturing, and he’s as confident as ever about its future. Read a transcript of this episode: www.mastersofscale.com Subscribe to the Masters of Scale weekly newsletter: https://mastersofscale.com/subscribe See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Michael Gronager

CEO

Chainalysis

Gurvais Grigg, Chainalysis public sector CTO, and Kim Grauer, director of research at Chainalysis, review the ransomware landscape. Show Highlights: their backgrounds and roles at Chainalysis how a ransomware attack works what types of businesses are usually targeted in ransomware attacks why ransomware as a service (RAAS) is a booming business why Kim and Gurvais believe the hacking group REvil is becoming more sophisticated what characteristic of REvil hints that the group could be affiliated with Russia how the RAAS business model works how ransomware payments can be tracked why ransomware reporting has a data problem why Bitcoin is the preferred method of payment amongst ransomware attackers what two factors makes BTC preferable to privacy coins how ransomware groups teach victims to transfer BTC how ransomware groups cash out of their BTC how counter-terrorism tactics can help fight ransomware attacks how the Department of Justice may have partially recovered part of the Colonial Pipeline ransomware payment what tools and strategies governments can and will use to battle ransomware Thank you to our sponsors! Crypto.com: https://crypto.onelink.me/J9Lg/unchainedcardearnfeb2  Tezos: https://tezos.com/discover?utm_source=laura-shin&utm_medium=podcast-sponsorship-unconfirmed&utm_campaign=tezos-campaign&utm_content=hero  Conjure: https://conjure.finance    Episode Links   People Kim Grauer - Director of Research at Chainalysis https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimberly-grauer-a9501144 Gurvais Grigg - Global Public Sector Chief Technology Officer at Chainalysis https://www.linkedin.com/in/gurvais-grigg-b1027a153/    Chainalsysis Ransomware Data https://go.chainalysis.com/rs/503-FAP-074/images/Ransomware-2021-update.pdf   https://go.chainalysis.com/rs/503-FAP-074/images/Chainalysis-Crypto-Crime-2021.pdf   https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/applying-counterterrorism-strategies-to-ransomware   https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/eastern-europe-cryptocurrency-market-2020    Ransomware Attacks Kaseya https://decrypt.co/75246/what-the-revil-ransomware-attack-means-for-crypto https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-03/ransomware-attack-us-revil/100265656  Colonial Pipeline https://ciphertrace.com/ransomware-seizure-blockchain-analytics-helps-us-authorities-seize-over-2-million-in-darkside-ransom-paid-by-colonial-pipeline/  https://www.elliptic.co/blog/us-authorities-seize-darkside  JBS Holdings https://www.wsj.com/articles/jbs-paid-11-million-to-resolve-ransomware-attack Other Chainalysis  Twitter: https://twitter.com/chainalysis Website: https://www.chainalysis.com/ Who is REvil?  https://fortune.com/2021/07/07/what-is-revil-ransomware-attack-kaseya/ https://unit42.paloaltonetworks.com/revil-threat-actors/  Combating ransomware: https://securityandtechnology.org/ransomwaretaskforce/report/  Why Gurvais joined Chainalysis: https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/gurvais-grigg-chainalysis  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Gurvais Grigg

Public Sector CTO

Chainalysis

Kim Grauer

Director of Research

Chainalysis

Jonathan Levin, co-founder and CSO of Chainalysis, and Kim Grauer, head of research, discuss the company's 2020 Crypto Crime Report, which explores how cryptocurrency criminals, who perpetrate hacks and scams and send out ransomware and more, cash out. We cover how criminals are turning their illicit crypto into fiat currency, why exchanges are a prime avenue for money laundering, and how over-the-counter brokers are playing a large role. They talk about a group of OTC brokers they describe as the Rogue 100, what their transactions look like, and what can be done to help stop criminals from cashing out. Jonathan and Kim talk about the PlusToken scam, the largest Ponzi scheme in crypto and how Chainalysis determined that it was likely driving down the price of Bitcoin. They also explain the trends in exchange hacks and how the most prolific hackers have grown more sophisticated, giving some examples of how the Lazarus Group, a cybercriminal syndicate linked to the North Korean government has become more advanced. Finally, we also discuss ransomware and terrorism financing and what trends they are seeing there. Thank you to our sponsors!  CipherTrace: https://ciphertrace.com/unchained Kraken: https://www.kraken.com Crypto.com: https://crypto.com Episode links:  Chainalysis: https://www.chainalysis.com/ Jonathan Levin: https://twitter.com/jony_levin Kim Grauer: https://twitter.com/KimberlyGrauer Previous Unchained interview with Jonathan: https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-chainalysis-helps-solve-crimes-jonathan-levin-tells-all-ep-62/ Unconfirmed episode on how Bitcoin led to the demise of the largest child porn site: https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-bitcoin-led-to-the-demise-of-the-largest-child-porn-site/ Money laundering report: https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/money-laundering-cryptocurrency-2019  https://fortune.com/2020/01/15/crypto-criminals-brokers-launder-billions/ Exchange hacks report: https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/cryptocurrency-exchange-hacks-2019 Unchained interview with Priscilla Moriuchi on why North Korea is interested in cryptocurrency: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-north-korea-is-interested-in-cryptocurrency/ Plus Token report: https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/plustoken-scam-bitcoin-price Terrorism financing report: https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/terrorism-financing-cryptocurrency-2019 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jonathan Levin

Co-Founder and Chief Strategy Officer

ChainalysisStanford Graduate School of Business

Kim Grauer

Director of Research

Chainalysis

Jonathan Levin, cofounder and chief operating officer for blockchain analytics company Chainalysis, describes how the company was born out of questions he had while a grad student, how they began mapping the Bitcoin blockchain to certain entities, and how their customers, which include government agencies such as the FBI, DEA, IRS, Europol and others, use Chainalysis to help solve Bitcoin crimes. He also reveals what level of detail the software tracks, how privacy coins could affect their work, and what new developments in the technology could decrease current crimes, such as physical extortion of crypto holders. Plus, he answers the question of whether or not Chainalysis's work destroys the fungibility of Bitcoin. Chainalysis: http://chainalysis.com/ Jonathan Levin: https://twitter.com/jony_levin Chainalysis report on the changing nature of crypto crime: https://www.chainalysis.com/static/Cryptocrime_Report_V2.pdf Forbes article on Chainalysis: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2018/04/05/snooping-on-bitcoin-is-big-business/#234e6792d198 Usage of Chainalysis by IRS: https://www.thedailybeast.com/irs-now-has-a-tool-to-unmask-bitcoin-tax-cheats Threats of violence against bitcoin and other crypto holders: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/technology/virtual-currency-extortion.html Thank you to our sponsors! Blockchain Warehouse: https://www.blockchainwarehouse.com/ Keepkey: https://www.keepkey.com/ Preciate: https://preciate.org/recognize/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jonathan Levin

Co-Founder and Chief Strategy Officer

ChainalysisStanford Graduate School of Business