The Man Who Wrote the AI Textbook Says We're Heading For Extinction - The Story
How close are we to human extinction because of AI? Leading AI expert Professor Stuart Russell believes we’re much too close for comfort and has been raising the alarm for a few years. Ironically, Stuart himself wrote the book that laid the foundation for AI research back in the 1990s. And he was the only AI expert Elon Musk’s team called upon during their trial with OpenAI.
Stuart joins Oz to discuss what changed his mind about pursuing AI superintelligence and makes the argument that human extinction is being treated as an external liability in favor of shareholders.
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The Man Who Wrote The Book On AI: 2030 Might Be The Point Of No Return! We've Been Lied To About AI!
AI Expert STUART RUSSELL, exposes the trillion-dollar AI race, why governments won’t regulate, how AGI could replace humans by 2030, and why only a nuclear-level AI catastrophe will wake us up
Professor Stuart Russell O.B.E. is a world-renowned AI expert and Computer Science Professor at UC Berkeley. He holds the Smith-Zadeh Chair in Engineering and directs the Center for Human-Compatible AI, and is also the bestselling author of the book “Human Compatible: AI and the Problem of Control".
He explains:
◼️What the “gorilla problem” reveals about our future under superintelligent AI
◼️How governments are outfunded by Big Tech
◼️Why current AI systems already lie and self-preserve
◼️The radical solution he’s spent a decade building to make AI safe
◼️The myth of ‘pulling the plug’ and why AI won’t be that easy to stop
[00:00] You've Been Talking About AI for a Long Time
[02:54] You Wrote the Textbook on AI
[03:29] It Will Take a Crisis to Wake People Up
[06:03] CEOs Staying in the AI Race Despite Risks
[08:04] They Know It's an Extinction-Level Risk
[10:06] What Is Artificial General Intelligence (AGI)?
[13:10] Will We Reach General Intelligence Soon?
[16:26] How Much Is Safety Really Being Implemented
[17:29] AI Safety Employees Leaving OpenAI
[18:14] The Gorilla Problem — The Most Intelligent Species Will Always Rule
[19:34] If There's an Extinction Risk, Why Don't They Stop?
[21:02] Can't We Just Pull the Plug if AI Gets Too Powerful?
[22:49] Can We Build AI That Will Act in Our Best Interests?
[24:09] Are You Troubled by the Rapid Advancement of AI?
[26:48] Do You Have Regrets About Your Involvement?
[27:35] No One Actually Understands How This AI Works
[30:36] AI Will Be Able to Train Itself
[32:24] The Fast Takeoff Is Coming
[34:20] Are We Creating Our Successor and Ending the Human Race?
[38:36] Advice to Young People in This New World
[40:52] How Do You Think AI Would Make Us Extinct?
[42:33] The Problem if No One Has to Work
[45:59] What if We Just Entertain Ourselves All Day
[48:43] Why Do We Make Robots Look Like Humans?
[56:44] What Should Young People Be Doing Professionally?
[59:56] What Is It to Be Human?
[01:03:34] The Rise of Individualism
[01:05:34] Ads
[01:06:39] Universal Basic Income
[01:08:41] Would You Press a Button to Stop AI Forever?
[01:15:13] But Won't China Win the AI Race if We Stop?
[01:18:40] Trump's Approach to AI
[01:19:06] What's Causing the Loss in Middle-Class Jobs
[01:21:02] What Will Happen if the UK Doesn't Participate in the AI Race?
[01:23:31] Amazon Replacing Their Workers
[01:29:00] Ads
[01:30:54] Experts Agree on Extinction Risk
[01:38:01] What if Aliens Were Watching Us Right Now
[01:39:35] Can We Make AI Systems That We Can Control?
[01:43:14] Are We Creating a God?
[01:47:32] Could There Have Been Advanced Civilisations Before Us?
[01:48:50] What Can We Do to Help?
[01:50:43] You Wrote the Book on AI — Does It Weigh on You?
[01:58:48] What Do You Value Most in Life?
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#312 — The Trouble with AI
Sam Harris speaks with Stuart Russell and Gary Marcus about recent developments in artificial intelligence and the long-term risks of producing artificial general intelligence (AGI). They discuss the limitations of Deep Learning, the surprising power of narrow AI, ChatGPT, a possible misinformation apocalypse, the problem of instantiating human values, the business model of the Internet, the meta-verse, digital provenance, using AI to control AI, the control problem, emergent goals, locking down core values, programming uncertainty about human values into AGI, the prospects of slowing or stopping AI progress, and other topics.
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#364 - Stuart Russell - The Terrifying Problem Of AI Control
Stuart Russell is a Professor of Computer Science at the University of California and an author.
Programming machines to do what we want them to is a challenge. The consequences of getting this wrong become very grave if that machine is superintelligent with essentially limitless resources and no regard for humanity's wellbeing. Stuart literally wrote the textbook on Artificial Intelligence which is now used in hundreds of countries, so hopefully he's got an answer to perhaps the most important question of this century.
Expect to learn how AI systems have already manipulated your preferences to make you more predictable, why social media companies genuinely don't know what their own algorithms are doing, why our reliance on machines can be a weakness, Stuart's better solution for giving machines goals and much more...
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Achieving provably beneficial, human-compatible AI
AI legend Stuart Russell, the Berkeley professor who leads the Center for Human-Compatible AI, joins Chris to share his insights into the future of artificial intelligence. Stuart is the author of Human Compatible, and the upcoming 4th edition of his perennial classic Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach, which is widely regarded as the standard text on AI. After exposing the shortcomings inherent in deep learning, Stuart goes on to propose a new practitioner approach to creating AI that avoids harmful unintended consequences, and offers a path forward towards a future in which humans can safely rely of provably beneficial AI.
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Show Notes:
Stuart Russell on Wikipedia
Stuart Russell’s TED Speaker profile
Center for Human-Compatible AI
Stuart Russell on how to make AI ‘human-compatible’
AI could be a disaster for humanity. A top computer scientist thinks he has the solution.
Leading AI Luminary Has An Idea To Ensure Humans Remain In Control
Books
“Artificial Intelligence” by Stuart Russell and Peter Norvig
“Human Compatible” by Stuart Russell
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Controlling AI
AI can do a lot of specific tasks as well as, or even better than, humans can — for example, it can more accurately classify images, more efficiently process mail, and more logically manipulate a Go board. While we have made a lot of advances in task-specific AI, how far are we from artificial general intelligence (AGI), that is AI that matches general human intelligence and capabilities?
In this podcast, a16z operating partner Frank Chen interviews Stuart Russell, the Founder of the Center for Human-Compatible Artificial Intelligence (CHAI) at UC Berkeley. They outline the conceptual breakthroughs, like natural language understanding, still required for AGI. But more importantly, they explain how and why we should design AI systems to ensure that we can control AI, and eventually AGI, when it’s smarter than we are. The conversation starts by explaining what Hollywood's Skynet gets wrong and ends with why AI is better as "the perfect Butler, than the genie in the lamp."
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#153 — Possible Minds
Sam Harris introduces John Brockman's new anthology, "Possible Minds: 25 Ways of Looking at AI," in conversation with three of its authors: George Dyson, Alison Gopnik, and Stuart Russell.
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Stuart Russell: Long-Term Future of AI
Stuart Russell is a professor of computer science at UC Berkeley and a co-author of the book that introduced me and millions of other people to AI, called Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach. Video version is available on YouTube. If you would like to get more information about this podcast go to https://lexfridman.com/ai or connect with @lexfridman on Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, or YouTube where you can watch the video versions of these conversations.
3 principles for creating safer AI | Stuart Russell
How can we harness the power of superintelligent AI while also preventing the catastrophe of robotic takeover? As we move closer toward creating all-knowing machines, AI pioneer Stuart Russell is working on something a bit different: robots with uncertainty. Hear his vision for human-compatible AI that can solve problems using common sense, altruism and other human values.
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#53 — The Dawn of Artificial Intelligence
Sam Harris speaks with computer scientist Stuart Russell about the challenge of building artificial intelligence that is compatible with human well-being.
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