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Sharplink, BitMine, and Joe Lubin spent the past ten days launching two new organizations aimed at convincing Wall Street to build on Ethereum, backing them with commitments from more than fifty institutional supporters.
Joseph Chalom, CEO of Sharplink and a board member of the new Ethereum Institutional, joins Laura Shin to make the case that Ethereum's real competition isn't Solana or Canton. It's inertia: the reluctance of the world's largest institutions to touch financial rails they don't already trust.
Chalom walks through how Ethereum Institutional differs from Etherealize and the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance, why Robinhood building on Arbitrum still counts as a win for Ethereum, and what it would take for ETH to capture the value flowing through the network as tokenized real-world assets grow past $31 billion. He pushes back on claims that the Ethereum Foundation's culture is broken, then turns to Strategy's preferred stock drama and says plainly that Michael Saylor is in a pickle.
Host:
Laura Shin, Host / Unchained
Guests:
Joseph Chalom - CEO of Sharplink
Timestamps
🚀 01:33 Why Sharplink, BitMine, and Joe Lubin launched Ethereum Institutional
🧭 05:51 How Ethereum Institutional differs from Etherealize and the EEA
🃏 10:15 Chalom says institutional inertia, not Solana, is Ethereum's real threat
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⚡ 20:54 Does value actually flow back to ETH the token
🏛️ 24:33 Chalom pushes back on the idea that Ethereum's culture is broken
🤝 29:01 Why Chalom says Sharplink's shareholders and Ethereum's ecosystem are aligned
📉 32:18 Chalom says Michael Saylor is in a pickle over Strategy's preferred stock drama
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The last few decades have been marked by a number of megatrends in finance including the extraordinary growth of asset managers, the rising importance of technology, and the ascent of private markets. BlackRock, the world's biggest asset manager, is emblematic of all these developments. On this episode, we talk to BlackRock COO Rob Goldstein about the company's early technological history, the development of its famous risk management technology Aladdin, and how BlackRock is navigating being both a user and major provider of AI. We discuss his view of the 'SaaSpocalypse,' how BlackRock is thinking about token consumption and compute constraint, as well as the future of private markets.
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Joseph Chalom and Danny Ryan discuss the institutional outlook on Ethereum and why it is “the only game in town.”
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The institutions are here and they may have already picked their preferred blockchain.
Sharplink Gaming CEO Joseph Chalom and Etherealize co-founder Danny Ryan discuss the institutional outlook on Ethereum. They say the network is the only chain being discussed by institutions thinking about tokenization, dismissing Solana as a possible contender. They explore what this means for ether and why anticipated upgrades only strengthen the case.
Meanwhile, Danny maintains that L2s are still part of the Ethereum roadmap, albeit agreeing with Vitalik that they need to evolve.
Plus, why Joseph thinks privacy will unlock Ethereum's next DeFi wave and why Danny sees AI agents as the salve to crypto's UX woes, though he calls the current activity “a toy.”
Guest:
Joseph Chalom, President/CEO at SharpLink Gaming Inc.
Danny Ryan, Co-Founder & President of Etherealize
Links:
Unchained:
Vitalik Targets Block Building as Ethereum Prepares Glamsterdam Upgrade
Vitalik Buterin Lays Out Quantum Defense Plan for Ethereum
Can Solana Edge Out Ethereum to Win the AI Agent & RWA Race?
Ethereum Researchers Outline Seven Forks Through 2029 in New “Strawmap”
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BlackRock’s Head of Crypto Robbie Mitchnick joins Ryan to unpack how institutions are actually allocating (and why correlation to “digital gold” matters), what the ETF data says about demand for BTC and ETH, and why the October leverage flush didn’t dent long-term adoption.
We dig into BlackRock’s tokenization roadmap, from the BUIDL-style tokenized money market funds and the Genius Act angle to the stablecoin flywheel, plus what’s still missing: secondary liquidity and pragmatic regulatory clarity.
Robbie lays out a realistic 24–36 month path, a 2026 “show-me” phase for real utility, and candid advice for allocators on sizing and asset selection.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Is It Over?
11:54 Institutional Response to Liquidations
13:57 Bitcoin vs Gold
16:36 Bitcoin’s IPO Moment?
19:29 Next Catalyst
24:23 Institutional Growth
26:41 Central Bank Adoption
28:25 BlackRock ETFs
30:21 Ethereum ETFs
32:38 Tokenization Roadmap
35:33 GENIUS-Aligned Money Market Fund
38:08 Progress in Tokenization
43:04 Regulatory Clarity
46:30 Bull Case for Tokenization
48:08 Is Wall Street Convinced?
49:59 Bear Case for Tokenization
52:01 Restructuring Banks
54:16 How Many Stablecoins?
55:10 1-Year Goals
57:37 Advice to Institutional Investors
59:47 Closing & Disclaimers
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RESOURCES
Robbie Mitchnick
https://x.com/robbiemitchnick
Blackrock Digital Assets
https://www.blackrock.com/us/financial-professionals/investments/products/bitcoin-investing
“Bitcoin’s Silent IPO”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoins-silent-ipo-analyst-addresses-144047837.html
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In this episode of Bits + Bips, former BlackRock executive and SharpLink co-CEO Joseph Chalom joins hosts Austin Campbell, Chris Perkins, and Ram Ahluwalia to discuss why the Federal Reserve may move to ease rates despite a “Goldilocks” economy, the growing role of stablecoins in foreign exchange and settlement, and how major banks like JPMorgan and Citi are expanding their use of blockchain.
The conversation also explores Japan’s first yen-backed stablecoin, the implications of AI for the labor market, and the generational shift that could make crypto wallets the default interface for finance.
Plus, the implications of CZ’s pardon and why it’s “bullish” to have Mike Selig chairing the CFTC.
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Hosts:
Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida
Austin Campbell, NYU Stern professor and founder and managing partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting
Christopher Perkins, Managing Partner and President of CoinFund
Guest:
Joseph Chalom, Co-CEO of SharpLink Gaming, Inc.
Links:
Reuters: Fed poised to cut rates this week, with more easing likely on tap
WSJ: Trump Considers Fed Chair Selection by Year-End From Slate of Five Finalists
CoinDesk: Gov. Waller: U.S. Fed to 'Embrace Disruption,' Pitches 'Skinny' Master Account Idea
Reuters: World's first yen-pegged stablecoin debuts in Japan
EF: ERC-8004: Trustless Agents
Bloomberg: JPMorgan to Allow Bitcoin, Ether as Collateral in Crypto Push
Unchained: Trump Pardons Binance Founder CZ
CNBC: Trump names Michael Selig to chair CFTC; Selig cites crypto capital goal
Timestamps:
🎬 0:00 Intro
💸 3:23 Why the Fed will likely still cut rates despite a “Goldilocks” economy
👷♂️ 6:47 Why Joseph says the labor market is at a “moment that matters” as Amazon cuts 30,000 jobs
🏛️ 8:26 What Chris shockingly heard at a recent Fed conference
⚖️ 10:15 What could force the Fed to become hawkish
🚀 12:33 How the Fed is “frontrunning innovation”
💴 14:46 Why Japan’s first fully yen-backed stablecoin, JPYC, is significant
🌍 17:36 Why Chris is so excited about stablecoins disrupting FX markets
🔗 22:55 Why L1 tokens may be the next “strategic commodity”
🏦 26:25 How major banks are joining the stablecoin race
👛 31:33 Why retail adoption could explode in the coming years
🤖 33:37 How AI agents could soon manage our payments
💡 36:34 Why JPMorgan decided to accept bitcoin and ether as collateral
⚖️ 44:04 Was CZ’s pardon fair, and what about “pay to play” concerns
🐂 54:55 Why having Mike Selig chair the CFTC is “bullish” for crypto
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What does BlackRock’s former crypto lead see in Ethereum that others still miss? Joseph Chalom joins Bankless to take us inside the IBIT/ETHA ramp, why BUIDL launched on Ethereum mainnet, and the simple—but powerful—framework he uses to value ETH as “high-octane money.” We break down staking inside ETFs, the tokenization roadmap from stablecoins to the S&P in your wallet, and the real mechanics of ETH treasury companies—mNAV premiums, ATMs, converts, and the transparency metrics that matter. Less hype, more architecture: if security, liquidity, and 24/7 settlement are the future, this is the bridge.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
3:53 Larry Fink’s arc: skeptic to champion
9:15 Joseph’s crypto journey
18:09 Aladdin × Coinbase Prime
20:55 Building IBIT
24:28 ETHA & ETH ETF staking approval
36:04 Tokenization roadmap & magnitude
44:48 SharpLink’s ETH bet
50:13 Ether as “high-octane money”
58:54 Beyond ‘buy and hold’
1:03:11 ETH vs BTC treasuries
1:06:09 Radical transparency
1:10:31 mNAV, ATMs & buybacks
1:19:10 Where’s the price impact?
1:25:32 How many treasuries win?
1:29:25 Closing thoughts
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RESOURCES
Joseph Chalom
https://x.com/joechalom
Sharplink
https://www.sharplink.com/
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Gm! This week we're joined by Samara Cohen to discuss BlackRock's crypto strategy in 2025. We deep dive into the success of the Bitcoin ETP launches, investor demand for crypto, why Samara is bullish on tokenization, how to bridge traditional assets onchain & much more. Enjoy!
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Timestamps:
(0:00) Introduction
(07:48) What Are ETFs vs ETPs?
(12:00) A New Regime For Markets
(14:31) Ads (Aptos, Zenrock)
(15:51) Active vs Passive Investing
(18:44) BlackRock's Bitcoin ETP Launch
(24:53) Why Was The IBIT Launch So Successful?
(29:00) Ads (Aptos, Zenrock)
(30:20) Investor Demand For Bitcoin
(33:34) How Does Bitcoin Trade During A Market Sell Off?
(37:37) Who Is Actually Buying The Bitcoin ETP?
(39:04) Was The Ethereum ETP Launch Successful?
(41:19) Investor Demand For Crypto
(46:27) Ads (Falcon x, Token.com)
(47:54) Why BlackRock Is Bullish On Tokenization
(53:46) How To Bridge Assets Onchain
(01:00:34) BlackRock's 10 Year Vision For Crypto
(01:07:24) Does Speculation Drive Adoption?
(01:09:16) Final Thoughts
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In this episode of Bankless, Samara Cohen, BlackRock's Chief Investment Officer of ETFs and Index Investments, discusses how ETFs and blockchain are revolutionizing finance. We explore Bitcoin and Ether ETFs as bridges between crypto and TradFi, blockchain's role in market modernization, and how ETFs enhance transparency and diversification. Cohen also shares insights on upcoming regulations and the importance of education in driving crypto adoption.
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00:00:00 Intro 00:06:59 Role of Market Modernizer 00:09:12 Blockchains and ETFs Future 00:12:54 "Blackrock" Blockchain? 00:16:09 ETF Progress Check 00:19:22 Bitcoin & Ether ETFs Updates 00:24:08 Blackrock on Cryptos/ETPs 00:27:47 Blackrock's Research Audience 00:29:26 2025 ETF Predictions 00:33:21 Blackrock's Effect on Options 00:36:06 Options Unlock Opportunities 00:40:28 "Price is Best Marketing" 00:42:42 Upgrading ETF Protocols 00:44:49 Blackrock’s Other ETFs Plan 00:54:11 New Administration Impact 00:58:11 Blackrock's 2025 Outlook 01:00:30 Digital Assets & ETF Teams 01:03:33 Samara's Next Guest 01:05:55 Samara on 2025 Excitement 01:09:02 Closing & Disclaimers
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Black Rock Research Paper https://www.blackrock.com/institutions/en-us/strategies/diversified-strategies
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BlackRock’s entry into crypto through its bitcoin ETF (and later on the spot ether ETF) has rewritten the record books, driving massive inflows and reshaping the narrative for institutional crypto adoption.
Robbie Mitchnick, head of digital assets at BlackRock, unpacks the story behind this monumental shift. He shares the journey from skepticism to success, how BlackRock’s ETF has changed the market, and the surprises even he didn’t expect.
Plus, he explains why he believes people mistake bitcoin for a risk-on asset, what the investment case is for Ethereum, and what’s next for crypto in 2025.
Show highlights:
01:31 What and who is driving this massive amount of activity in bitcoin trading
05:05 Why Robbie offers some caution about the future of digital asset regulation
08:35 What about crypto captivated Robbie
13:32Whether Robbie was the one who “orange pilled” BlackRock CEO Larry Fink
14:37 Why Robbie thinks that bitcoin is not a risk-on asset
18:08 The backstory of how BlackRock ended up filing for a spot bitcoin ETF
20:15 How inflows into ETFs surprised Robbie, even considering fairly optimistic projections
24:14 Why BlackRock’s clients always ask about bitcoin’s correlation with other assets
27:22 Robbie’s take on the critique that BlackRock could centralize a decentralized ecosystem
29:34 What his thesis is on stablecoins, payments, and tokenization
31:25 The reasons why Ethereum ETFs have not been as successful as bitcoin
34:14 How Robbie pitches the ether ETF to clients
35:26 Why BUIDL is built on Ethereum, a public blockchain, rather than on a private one
36:48 Why DeFi’s potential is “immense,” according to Robbie
41:56 How bitcoin ETF options will impact the behavior of investors
43:57 What features BlackRock would love to see under a new SEC regime
45:32 What it’ll take for regulators to approve staking in ether ETFs
46:33 Why Robbie is not sure which crypto ETFs might come next
48:16 Whether BlackRock will develop proof of reserves for its ETFs
52:21 Robbie’s outlook for the markets in 2025
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Links
Previous coverage of Unchained on Bitcoin ETFs:
Why Bitcoin ETF Options Could Unlock Massive Amounts of Capital for Crypto
How, in 7 Weeks, Bitcoin ETFs Reached Inflows That Took Gold ETFs 3 Years
Bitcoin’s Price Is Way Up. And $48 Trillion in Wealth Just Got Access
How Small Bitcoin ETF Issuers Will Compete With the Likes of BlackRock
Unchained: BlackRock’s Spot Bitcoin ETF Eclipses Firm’s Gold ETF in Net Assets
CNBC: BlackRock CEO Larry Fink: I believe bitcoin is a legit financial instrument
CoinDesk: BlackRock Sees Sovereign Wealth Funds, Pensions Coming to Bitcoin ETFs
Forbes: A Trump U.S. Strategic Bitcoin Reserve ‘Game-Changer’ Is Suddenly Hurtling Toward The Bitcoin Price
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That’s right, Bankless Nation, BlackRock on the podcast today.
BlackRock is the world’s largest asset manager, a company that manages over $10 trillion dollars in assets around the world, to put it in perspective, that’s 5 times the crypto market cap. Let’s just say what they do has ripple effects in global markets.
But here at Bankless we wanted to figure out what they’re doing in crypto. That’s why we brought Robbie Mitchnick, BlackRock’s Head of Digital Assets.
We explore Crypto narratives in TradFi, how they measure the risk profile of Crypto, their plans for the future of ETFs, Tokenization and even DeFi.
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0:00 Intro 5:36 What is BlackRock? 7:33 BlackRock’s Crypto Arc 14:42 Digital Assets Team 17:01 BlackRock Bitcoin ETF 20:33 Investor Education 22:48 Narratives 24:58 Risk Management 34:04 Regulatory Environment 38:27 The Future of ETFs 42:30 Tokenization 51:00 What Needs to be Built 54:26 The State of DeFi 57:03 BlackRock’s Crypto Mission 1:00:44 Closing & Disclaimers
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Blackrock https://x.com/BlackRock
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My guest this week is Khe Hy. Khe has a very interesting, two-part story. We start with Khe's career at Blackrock, where he rose to be one of the youngest MDs at the firm, specializing in quantitative hedge funds. Khe shares his perspective on how the hedge fund landscape has changed and what investors should look for in hedge fund managers in the future.
The second part of the story is about Khe's attempt to understand himself. We get into fear, joy, and all that he has learned across several years of introspection and exploration. His lessons coalesce around four key pillars--compassion, stillness, uncomfortable introspection, and finding truth. We explore what he means by each of these ideas in detail. I don’t think that Khe is capable of lying. He is one of the most honest people I've met, for better or worse, and was kind to share both his struggles and moments of clarity on investing and life.
With Deep questions about purpose and deep questions about how to evaluate a quant hedge fund, This was my kind of conversation. Please enjoy
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