Tom Lee & Arthur Hayes: How Crypto Flips Wall Street
Tom Lee and Arthur Hayes map how crypto is flipping Wall Street: BTC at fresh highs, ETH’s comeback, and a surge of institutional capital, tokenization, and stablecoin rails.
Tom lays out Bitmine’s big ETH accumulation and bold targets (BTC $200–250k, ETH $10–12k), while Arthur dives into cycles, liquidity, why perps outshine leveraged ETFs, and the looming clash between prediction markets and TradFi. Plus: banks turning into on-chain tech companies and what Tether’s rise signals for the new banking stack.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
0:42 BTC All Time Highs
5:07 ETH Performance & Bitmine
9:32 DATs Market
15:26 4-Year Cycles
25:32 5% Bitmine’s Target
28:00 Tom’s Involvement in Ethereum
32:42 ETH’s Position
38:37 Compute for Finance
40:53 Tether’s $500B Valuation
44:57 USDT Flips BTC?
46:35 Crypto Equities
48:26 Hacks & Exploits
50:39 Financial Entertainment
55:13 Perps
58:38 Price Targets
1:00:45 2026 Wish List
1:03:06 Closing & Disclaimers
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Arthur Hayes
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IG - https://www.instagram.com/cryptohayes/
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Substack - https://cryptohayes.substack.com/
Bitmine
https://bitminetech.io/
Fundstrat
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Maelstrom
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The Chopping Block: Arthur Hayes & Tom Lee; Hyperliquid vs Aster, DATs & ETH - Ep. 917
Arthur Hayes & Tom Lee map the new crypto arms race—Hyperliquid vs Aster, Plasma’s stablecoin rails, and ETH’s DAT-fueled supercycle.
Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. Live at Token2049 Singapore, we’re joined by Arthur Hayes (Maelstrom) and Tom Lee (Bitmine) to map two battles shaping the next cycle: the Perp DEX war—Hyperliquid’s moat vs. CZ-linked Aster, zero-fee experiments like Lighter, and whether ~$500M/year token unlocks can stay “bullish”—and the race to own stablecoin rails, from Tether-affiliated Plasma’s zero-fee USDT chain to distribution plays like Tempo and Codex. We dig into DATs, mNAV compression, and Tom’s “ETH supercycle,” plus prediction markets (Polymarket vs. Kalshi) crossing into the mainstream and a surprise Zcash revival. If crypto’s future is being decided in trading venues and in money itself, this is where the battle lines get drawn.
Show highlights🔹 Perp DEX wars — Hyperliquid vs Aster: Binance-linked Aster surges as Hyperliquid’s moat is stress-tested; CEX tie-ups (Bybit–ApeX, Coinbase–Avantis) escalate the fight.
🔹 Arthur Hayes on Hyperliquid: 126x call but sold ahead of ~$500M/yr token unlocks (starting November); “bullish unlocks” depend on sustained dominance + real fees.
🔹 Lighter’s zero-fee perps: Can post-airdrop volume stick, or do profits migrate to HLP/LLP vault strategies as fees compress?
🔹 DATs & ETH “supercycle” — Tom Lee (Bitmine): Communications flywheel, mNAV compression, ~70 ETH DATs with many below NAV; consolidation/unwinds/ETF conversions amid SEC/Nasdaq scrutiny and ZeroG controversy.
🔹 Plasma stablecoin chain (Tether-affiliated): Zero-fee USDT transfers, heavy incentives, Binance Earn distribution—are flows durable vs Ethereum/Tron?
🔹 Prediction markets — Polymarket vs Kalshi: South Park moment; funds cite PMs for shutdown/Fed odds; 2024 election accuracy pushes PMs mainstream.
🔹 Privacy coins & Zcash revival: ZEC rally, Monero 51%-attack mention, and the ongoing listings/compliance tug-of-war.
🔹 Stablecoins to $4T? — Tom Lee: Micropayments + 24/7 rails expand TAM across multiple chains, not just Ethereum.
Hosts
Disclosures
⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly
⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures
Guest
⭐️ Arthur Hayes, CIO at Maelstrom
⭐️Tom Lee, CIO of Fundstrat Capital & Chairman of Bitmine
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:15 Token 2049 Reflections
03:55 Tom Lee's Role in Ethereum
08:04 Challenges & Future of DATs
13:09 Plasma: Berachain for Stablecoins
20:06 Perp Dex Wars & Hyperliquid
24:26 Fee Compression
29:59 Kalshi vs. Polymarket
39:52 Zcash & Privacy Coins
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The World’s Largest ETH Holder - Tom Lee on Treasuries, Ethereum Dominance, and Wall Street
In this episode, we talk with Tom Lee, chairman of Bitmine, about the rapid growth of his ETH treasury company and its goal to secure 5% of the total ETH supply.
Tom believes Ethereum could surpass Bitcoin in value, forecasting potential prices between $4,000 and $15,000. We discuss market dynamics, risks of excessive leverage, and his insights on valuing Ethereum and NFTs like Pudgy Penguins.
Tune in for key insights into Ethereum’s future and Wall Street’s role in crypto.
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
2:57 The Rise of ETH Treasuries
8:27 The 5% ETH Strategy
12:08 The Role of Ethereum in Wall Street
17:57 Accumulating More ETH
26:39 Wall Street's Misunderstanding of Crypto
29:41 Ethereum's 2017 Moment
37:09 The Potential for 100x
45:52 Estimating ETH's Value
50:08 Navigating Market Risks
59:36 Closing Thoughts on Ethereum
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Is AI Actually Saving The Stock Market? — With Tom Lee
Tom Lee is the chief investment officer at Fundstrat Capital and head of research at FSInsight. He joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss whether generative AI wave is actually holding up the stock market and what would happen if it stalled or fell apart. We discuss what an AI 'Black Swan' event would look like, whether the bubble would pop, and what happens if AI gets too good. Tune in for the second half where we discuss how Lee predicts stock market movements, why the market is holding up well, and whether bitcoin has room to grow.
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Macro Expert Tom Lee | What's Next For Markets?
In today’s episode, we tackle the big question: with the massive sell-off earlier this week, is the bull market over? Our guest, Tom Lee, doesn’t think so.
We aim to answer several key questions: Why did markets take a hit on Monday? Is there more pain to come? Is the bull market truly over? What about the possibility of a recession? What are the arguments for both the bear and bull cases?
And finally, Tom's Price Predictions.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro 04:51 Welcome Tom Lee 09:39 How Bad Was This Really? 13:12 Is It Over? 19:22 What Happens Next? 22:22 Carry Trade Risk 23:52 The Recession Case 28:00 Comparing To The Past 31:35 Why Tom Was Right 36:05 Wall St Temp Check 40:42 BTC And ETH Price Predictions 43:14 Election Impact
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Why Tom Lee Thinks We Could See S&P 15,000 by 2030
The stock market has had a torrid run in 2024 despite the fact that interest rate cuts haven't materialized in the way people had expected at the start of the year. In fact, outside of a few blips here and there (like spring 2020), US stocks have been phenomenal performers for years. Tom Lee, the founder of Fundstrat and FS Insight has been bullish for a long time, having caught the correct side of this lengthy trend. On this episode, we speak to the former JPMorgan strategist about how he thinks about the market, what he sees happening right now in macro and demographic trends, and why he thinks it’s plausible that the market could roughly triple in the next six years.
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Fundstrat's Tom Lee on why boomers are buying gold while millennials are trading bitcoin
Bitcoin and gold have both climbed higher in recent weeks, but any correlation between the two is still too slight to take seriously, according to CoinMetrics. Fundstrat managing partner Tom Lee offered a different explanation on this week's episode of The Scoop — that boomers and Millenials are taking sides.
Lee pointed out that it's likely an older generation piling into gold with huge cash positions. For those who missed the market rally, gold likely became a more attractive position as inflation rose.
As boomers load up on gold, members of Generation X and Millenials are buying up tech stocks. As tech stocks become more attractive and cash less so with concerns surrounding the coronavirus pandemic, the perception towards bitcoin is shifting as well, according to Lee.
"Because of coronavirus, I think we're seeing businesses essentially go cashless and therefore digital money is making it easier to understand the value of Bitcoin, which is essentially a settlement network that isn't denominated in dollars," he said.
Research from JPMorgan seems to agree with Lee. An August 4 note from the bank's strategists said millenials seem to prefer tech stocks while older investors are selling shares and buying bonds.
However, this doesn't mean the institutions are likely to jump in any time soon. As Bitcoin's value rises, Lee said that there might be more parallels to gold. On this week's episode, Lee broke down his other takes on current market conditions, including:
Why the negative impact of COVID-19 on markets has waned
How the virus has affected Fundstrat's so-called granny shots list, a list of easy-win stocks
The relationship between traditional markets and bitcoin price volatility
The impact of election cycles on traditional and digital assets and how the winner will effect the market's movements
Why he hates being called a perma-bull
Listen to this week's episode on Apple, Spotify, Google Play, Stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts.
A Conversation with Tom Lee, Managing Partner & Head of Research at Fundstrat Global Advisors
Tom Lee is one of the great luminaries of crypto and finance Twitter. The former chief equity analyst at JP Morgan made headlines during the bitcoin boom of 2017 with his calls that the cryptocurrency would soar to it's price target of $25,000. Fast forward to today; Lee isn't making anymore price targets on bitcoin but he still makes calls on the market -- leading Fundstrat, a market research shop covering both equities and crypto. On this episode of The Scoop, Lee shared his thoughts on how the research business has evolved over the last 2 decades, why he doesn't think bitcoin is a macro-hedge and the largest roadblocks keeping big investors out of the market. We hope you enjoy the episode.