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(8:54) A day in the life of Cathie Wood
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(30:00) Cathie’s #1 stock pick
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Cathie Wood on How AI Can Double GDP, Bull Case for Bitcoin $1M, Elon's Trillion-Dollar Pay Package
(0:00) Introducing Cathie Wood
(0:47) Cathie Wood on AI's once in a lifetime opportunity: doubling GDP, deflation, and more
(9:23) Cathie's bull case for Bitcoin $1M
(11:38) Opening up access to innovation for retail
(14:32) Cathie explains Ark's strategies for bull and bear markets
(16:01) Thoughts on Elon's trillion-dollar pay package
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Inside Cathie Wood’s Trillion-Dollar Bets: AI, Musk, Robots & Crypto
Cathie Wood is placing some of the boldest bets in investing history, spanning AI, robotaxis, brain chips, crypto, and even space. In this episode of Bankless, the ARK Invest CEO joins Chief Futurist Brett Winton to break down her five highest-conviction technologies - opportunities she believes could unlock over $20 trillion in enterprise value.
You’ll hear why Elon Musk’s empire is at the center of it all, how Tesla’s robotaxis could become the biggest AI project on Earth, and why Neuralink, Starship, and stablecoins are converging to spark a new era of productivity and exponential growth.
This isn’t just tech optimism - it’s Cathie Wood’s vision for the future of innovation.
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5:05 Elon Musk and the Data Flywheel
11:57 The Power of Wright’s Law
19:27 Forecasting AI’s Trillion-Dollar Impact
23:35 Why ARK Owns xAI, OpenAI, and Anthropic
29:04 Google and Apple’s AI Blindspots
35:52 Why X Merged with xAI
44:15 Robotaxis: The Biggest AI Project on Earth
52:02 Robo GDP: AI’s Real-World Economic Boost
55:31 Tesla’s Scaling Advantage
1:01:27 The Humanoid Opportunity
1:10:42 Neuralink: AI, Enhanced
1:15:34 Starlink & SpaceX: The $2.5T Bet
1:22:01 Crypto’s Stablecoin Supercycle
1:33:18 Macro & Trump’s Strategy
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World's No.1 Investing Expert: The Big Shift Is Coming And This Investment Could Be 15x in 5 Years! - Cathie Wood
What if everything you thought you knew about investing is about to change forever? Cathie Wood reveals the best investments to make in 2025 to get rich fast.
Cathie Wood is one of the world’s most influential investors, and the founder and CEO of ARK Invest. She oversees nearly $30 billion in assets under management and is renowned for her bold predictions and investment strategies in technology-driven industries.
She explains:
How there’s only 5 years until everything changes, and what you must do to prepare.
Why she’s betting on Bitcoin hitting $1.5 million by 2030.
The simple strategy that will skyrocket your passive income.
How Tesla’s autonomous taxis and humanoid robots will reshape entire industries.
The number one company that could make you financially free in 5 years.
The information in this episode is for educational purposes only and should not be considered financial advice. Always do your own research or speak to a licensed financial advisor before making any investment decisions.
00:00 Intro
02:28 Investing in the Most Disruptive Industries
05:45 Big Companies Will Crash If They Don’t Adapt Quickly
06:21 Where to Invest to Be Rich in the Next 10 Years
09:04 The Biggest Employer in the World
10:12 Flying Cars and EV Tools Will Shape the Future
11:00 Investing in AI Companies in the Health Care Industry
12:59 Why Tesla Will 10x in the Next 5 Years
15:25 Your Autonomous Car Will Make You Money
18:42 How Humanoid Robots Will Free Our Time
21:41 No Code Will Be Written by Humans
25:37 The Companies That Will Make Money in the AI Era
30:06 Will Unemployment Be Higher in 5 Years?
37:21 Meeting Elon Musk
40:49 Investing in Bitcoin at the Very Start
43:49 How Much of Your Portfolio Is Bitcoin?
46:17 Bitcoin Mining
50:46 Why Invest in Coinbase
55:08 Top 10 Public Investments People Should Consider
58:02 Ads
59:47 Where Would You Invest $1,000?
01:01:59 Investing in Other Cryptocurrencies Apart From Bitcoin
01:03:29 How to Invest in Stablecoins
01:03:59 The Mentality of a Good Investor
01:07:05 Trump’s Tariffs
01:11:50 What Keeps You Up at Night in the Current Situation
01:16:59 How to Hire in the Era of AI
01:25:40 Advice to Young People
01:30:32 Gratitude Letter From Cathie’s Mentor
01:37:02 If Elon Dies, Will It Impact the Progress of Human Evolution?
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Cathie Wood on What Comes Next in AI and Big Tech
Markets have been selling off, with shares of tech companies like Nvidia down almost 20% so far this year. But even before the recent selloff, DeepSeek rattled the AI market and sparked questions over how US platforms will compete and actually monetize their technology. Despite all these hurdles, some investors remain tech optimists. Cathie Wood, the founder, CEO and chief investment officer of ARK Investment Management, is one of the most prominent, with ARK's Innovation Fund heavily invested in companies like Tesla, Coinbase and Roku. In this conversation, recorded live on stage at Bloomberg Invest, we discuss Cathie's view of potential opportunities in the space, and why she's expecting the Trump administration to create a Reagan Era-esque "golden age" for investors.
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Bitcoin's Path to $1.5M by 2030 | Cathie Wood & Ophelia Snyder
In today's interview, Cathie Wood from ARK Invest and Ophelia Snyder from 21 Shares join Jason to discuss the journey from monetary shock to an innovation-led economic boom. They dive into the importance of wirehouses for crypto adoption, the demand outlook for Bitcoin and Ethereum ETFs, and the likelihood of seeing ETFs for alt coins in the near future. Kathy shares her views on the misallocation of capital post the 2008 financial crisis and why volatility is part of the price paid for exposure to the new asset class of crypto. Ophelia provides insights into running crypto ETFs and the regulatory landscape around getting them approved. Stay tuned for all of this and much more!
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Three Crypto Pioneers on Crypto’s Monolithic vs. Modular Debate - Ep. 589
In this episode of Unchained, Anatoly Yakovenko, co-founder of Solana Labs, Nick White, COO at Celestia, and Chris Burniske, partner at VC firm Placeholder discuss the differences between modular and monolithic, or integrated, blockchains, with Solana epitomizing the monolithic approach and Celestia the modular one. They all agree that both approaches have their merits and will likely coexist, but argue each lends itself to specific use cases and developer preferences.They also discuss what will drive the next crypto bull cycle, and each gives their best predictions for a specific development in the crypto industry in the next few years.
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Pandora, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
Chris’s explanation of the modular vs. monolithic approach in blockchains
What drove Anatoly to prioritize speed in Solana's architecture and its impact on the network
What Celestia is and how it represents the first modular blockchain network
Whether developers and users will gravitate more towards modular or monolithic blockchains
How Solana, as one of the fastest blockchains, is gearing up to handle massive usage and scalability
Why Chris views Celestia as a frontrunner in the data availability sector
How Nick perceives the philosophical similarities and executional differences between Celestia and Solana
Whether there's potential for Solana to transition into a modular blockchain in the future
Why Chris believes that the Solana Virtual Machine (SVM) might surpass the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) in user adoption
What challenges Bitcoin faces in developing actual Layer 2 solutions, especially considering its "doomers storage" issue
What could drive the next crypto bull market
Top predictions for 2024 and beyond
Anatoly’s perspective on how a significant hack could pose a serious setback for the entire industry
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Guests:
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Previous appearances on Unchained:
Anatoly Yakovenko on Solana’s Astounding Recovery and Its Future Plans
Will Solana Be the Execution Layer and Ethereum the Settlement Layer?
Can Solana Seize Marketshare From Ethereum With Serum?
Anatoly Yakovenko on Why Solana Is Building the SAGA
Chris Burniske, partner at Placeholder
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Two VCs on Why This Is the Perfect Time to Invest in Crypto
2022 in Review + How Cobie and Chris Burniske Are Playing the New Year
Cobie and Chris Burniske on How to Navigate a Crypto Bear Market
How To Value A Crypto Asset
Nick White, COO at Celestia Labs
Links
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Alchemy: Modular vs. Monolithic Blockchains
Visa: Monolithic vs. modular blockchain
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“The horrific inefficiencies of monolithic blockchains” by polynya
Blockworks: A spicy salvo launched in the monolithic vs modular debate
Unchained: What Is the Blockchain Trilemma?
Celestia
Celestia’s explanation of modular blockchains
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Data availability sampling
An introduction to sovereign rollups
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Why The Spot Bitcoin ETF Is a Big Deal
Deciding on Bitcoin: Should New Investors Jump In Now or Wait for an ETF?
Ledger ConnectKit incident
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202 - The Year of the Crypto ETF with Cathie Wood
Cathie wood and Ophelia Snyder join us today, their two companies are at the top of the list for ETF approvals slated for early next year.
Is trad-fi excited? Are we underestimating the scale of this? Will Ethereum ever get an ETF? All these answered and more.
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00:00 Start 07:13 Joint Product Partnership 15:21 ETP vs ETF 20:25 Existing Products 33:13 How Much Interest Is There? 39:01 Portfolio Allocation and Risk 42:55 What Makes an ETF So Special 48:28 The Value Of Custody 53:27 How Many ETFs Can Get Approved? 58:07 Ethereum ETF in 2024 01:02:17 Did We Get A Fed Pivot? 01:04:10 Outlook For 2024
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Why AI will spark exponential economic growth | Cathie Wood
Investor Cathie Wood explores this unique moment in technology, which she sees as being marked by the simultaneous evolution of five pivotal innovation platforms — a scenario unparalleled in history. Exploring the role of AI in reshaping economic paradigms, she predicts a surge in global GDP growth and productivity, underscoring the need for businesses and investors to adapt in order to keep up.
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Two VCs on Why This Is the Perfect Time to Invest in Crypto - Ep. 522
Despite the doom and gloom, Placeholder VC partners Chris Burniske and Joel Monegro are highly bullish on the present moment. “We’re all going to look back on this period and remember it as fondly as we remember ‘18 and ‘19,” Monegro tells Laura Shin. The two long-term investors explain why the confluence of macroeconomic factors and crypto-native (and AI) innovations make this the ideal time to invest in a Web3 future. They cut their teeth on Bitcoin, they grew up with Ethereum; hear what they think is next.
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
why Chris says crypto’s four-year cycle will likely play out once again
the role of interest rates in asset valuation
whether the crypto industry has learned its lessons from the “crypto carnage” of 2022
whether there’s a future for KYC’d DeFi
when failing in crypto should be considered a crime, as in the Do Kwon case
what could happen with the rate hikes and how the macroeconomic environment affects the markets
how the ruling in the Ripple case impacts the development of new crypto companies and user adoption
whether Joel felt relieved by the ruling, considering Placeholder has invested in many tokens that were named as securities by the SEC
what Joel thinks of the new crypto bill in Congress and how he wishes that smart contracts were used to self-regulate the industry
what Joel and Chris think of the delicate situations of crypto giants such as Binance and DCG
whether the fat protocol thesis still holds up and whether it colors Placeholder’s current investment thesis
why most of the Layer 1s will become rollups, according to Chris
why Chris is bullish on Solana, despite the massive collapse in value following the FTX debacle
how NFTs will play a significant role in “establishing the provenance of content”
whether AI agents will become crypto power users
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Guests:
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Previous appearance on Unchained:
2022 in Review + How Cobie and Chris Burniske Are Playing the New Year
Cobie and Chris Burniske on How to Navigate a Crypto Bear Market
How To Value A Crypto Asset
Joel Monegro, partner at Placeholder VC.
Placeholder’s Joel Monegro on the Fat Protocols Thesis
Links
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Decred Thesis by Joel Monegro and Chris Burniske
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156 - Investing in Waves with Chris Burniske
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Investing in waves. Are we talking about surfing? Are we talking about capital deployment? The answer is yes.
In today’s episode, Chris unpacks why he uses the term “trashy” to describe many 2022 projects (and their founders), why crypto is like surfing and how you catch a good wave, his rules for staying sober during bull and bear markets (hint: don’t fall in love with your coconuts), and finally his bull case for Solana.
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2022 in Review + How Cobie and Chris Burniske Are Playing the New Year - Ep. 434
What a year. Cobie, crypto investor and host of UpOnly, and Chris Burniske, partner at Placeholder Ventures, sift through 2022’s rubble for clues as to what lies ahead in 2023. The two bright lights of Crypto Twitter weigh in on SBF’s fraud, how to succeed through the bear market, and what remains promising despite the gloom and doom.
Show highlights:
why 2022 is “the hangover of 2021”
why this year’s big meltdowns were different and dispiriting
why it was actually a year to remind us of why we’re all here
how the underlying protocols didn’t skip a beat
how to survive the bear market
what Chris feels guilty about in the wake of Alameda’s collapse
why Cobie hopes SBF spends life in jail
whether people will actually use decentralized alternatives – or if banking-like relationships will prevail
what Chris sees as the 2023 version of proof-of-stake in 2017
why Cobie thinks bitcoin is an area of opportunity over the next few years
whether the multichain thesis (“Solunavax”) will ever rise again
whether the contagion is over
if disgraced figureheads deserve a second chance
a lightning round lookback on 2022
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Guests:
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Erik Voorhees and Cobie on Why FTX Loaned Out Customers’ Assets
Cobie and Chris Burniske on How to Navigate a Crypto Bear Market
Chris:
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Placeholder VC
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Chris Burniske: A Blank Slate of State
Chris Burniske of Placeholder on the Downsides of ICOs
The year in crypto:
FTX
Unchained:
CFTC and SEC File Damning Complaints Against Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX
Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried Arrested Amid US Indictment
FTX Bankruptcy Overseer Says Company’s Collapse Is Worst He’s Ever Seen
Terra:
CoinDesk: The Fall of Terra: A Timeline of the Meteoric Rise and Crash of UST and LUNA
Three Arrows Capital
CNBC’s full interview with Three Arrows Capital’s Kyle Davies on the downfall of the defunct crypto hedge fund
CoinDesk: Three Arrows Capital Files for Bankruptcy in New York Tied to British Virgin Islands Proceeding
DeCrypt: Bankrupt Three Arrows Capital Owes $3.5B to Creditors, Including $2.3B to Genesis
Binance
Unchained: Binance Passes Withdrawal ‘Stress Test’ After $3B in Daily Outflows
Forbes: Kevin O’Leary Points Finger At Binance For FTX Crash In Senate Testimony
Silvergate
The Block: Silvergate CEO seeks to reassure investors over crypto contagion
The Financial Times: Silvergate: from tiny local lender to bank behind the crypto boom
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Genesis Warns of Bankruptcy If Funding Plans Fail: Report
On-chain Analysts ID 432 GBTC Addresses After Grayscale Says No to Proof-of-Reserves
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20VC: ARK Invest's Cathie Wood on Why ARK Has Not Had More Outflows Despite Performance, How the Global Tech Equities Market Will Go From $7Trn to $210Trn in 8-10 Years, The Future for Facebook and How Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey Could Create the Biggest Di
Cathie Wood is the CEO & CIO @ ARK Invest, focusing solely on disruptive innovation, primarily in the public equity markets. ARK has become renowned for opening up its research and becoming a 'sharing economy' company in the asset management space. Prior to ARK, Cathie spent twelve years at AllianceBernstein as CIO of Global Thematic Strategies where she managed over $5 billion. Cathie joined Alliance Capital from Tupelo Capital Management, a hedge fund she co-founded, which managed $800 million in global thematic strategies. Prior to Tupelo Capital, she worked for 18 years with Jennison Associates LLC as Chief Economist, Portfolio Manager and Director.
In Today's Episode with Cathie Wood We Discuss:
1.) Entry into Hedge Funds at 20:
How did Cathie get her first role in the world of finance at the tender age of 20?
What is Cathie running from? What is Cathie running towards?
What are some of Cathie's biggest lessons from seeing the dot com bust at Tupelo?
What does Cathie know now that she wishes she had known when she started investing?
2.) Why Benchmarks and Passive Investing are Bad:
Why does Cathie believe that benchmarks and indexes have become dangerous for consumers?
Why does Cathie not believe what everyone else does regarding inflation?
How much of the performance of large-cap tech stocks is tied to the growth of passive investing?
Why does Cathie think the Fed is making a huge mistake?
3.) Time to Pick Companies:
Why does Cathie believe that Facebook is emerging as an attractive value stock?
How does Cathie believe Elon Musk and Jack Dorsey could build the largest universal wallet?
If Cathie were to put all her money into one of their companies, what would it be?
Why does Cathie believe Zoom is one of the most misunderstood companies?
4.) Why Venture: Why Now:
Why did Cathie decide to do a venture fund with ARK now?
Why did Cathie decide to do a no-carry structure with a higher management fee? How does that align incentives with investors?
In venture, the asset chooses the capital, how does Cathie analyze why the best founders in the world will pick and work with ARK over other amazing VCs?
What is the single biggest risk you are underwriting when investing in ARK's venture fund?
Items Mentioned in Today's Episode:
Cathie's Favourite Book: The Emperor of All Maladies: A Biography of Cancer
Uniswap Fee Debate, ARK’s Investment Thesis, DAO Governance | Roundup with Brett Winton
In this episode of Empire's Weekly Roundup, Jason and Santi are joined by Brett Winton, the Director of Research at ARK invest. We discuss the heated Uniswap fee controversy, token business models, DAO governance and the securitization of everything.
We also discuss ARK's unique investment strategy and crypto thesis. This is one special roundup.
Highlights include:
- How to play the current macro market
- The securitization of everything
- Coinbase's opportunity
- Potential business models for Uniswap
- Will DeFi fees go to zero
- The secret to diversification
- Brett's #1 consideration when hiring
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Referenced in the show:
ARK Invest
https://ark-invest.com/
ARK's Bitcoin Monthly Research
https://ark-invest.com/lp-bitcoin-monthly/
Howard Mark's Letter on being Unconventional
https://www.oaktreecapital.com/insights/memo/i-beg-to-differ
Lido Treasury Sale Proposal
https://research.lido.fi/t/treasury-diversification-2-part-2/2657
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(01:47) Where Are Interest Rates Headed?
(08:38) An Inevitable Movie Towards Financial Transparency
(12:00) Three Revolutions Catalyzed by Bitcoin
(27:52) Ava Labs Core
(29:20) Coinbase and the Securitization of Everything
(41:48) Uniswap fee switch and token business models
(53:16) DAO governance and capital allocation
(59:12) How ARK assesses new investments
(1:06:01) Has inflation peaked, BTC as the reserve asset and more
(1:10:58) Why curiosity is Brett's #1 hiring criteria
(1:17:08) What ARK believes that many others don't (yet)
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Cobie and Chris Burniske on How to Navigate a Crypto Bear Market - Ep.355
Cobie, co-founder of Lido and UpOnlyTv, and Chris Burniske, partner at Placeholder Ventures, talk about surviving a crypto bear market, the Terra collapse, lessons they’ve learned from their mistakes, and much more. Show highlights:
whether Chris and Cobie think crypto is in a bear market
why Chris says these are the times to buy
what effect the Terra debacle will have on the crypto industry
why Chris was expecting UST to blow up
why Chris thinks there is going to be another massive liquidation event
whether an algo stablecoin could work
why bear markets are sometimes a good thing
how USDT was stress tested and proved its resilience
how macro is affecting the crypto space and what the role of the Fed is
when will we see the bottom of this bear market
how meme coins are the symptoms of a broken system
why this crypto cycle is different
whether regulations are helping VCs rather than the retail investors
why risky assets are the ones that could increase 10,000x
whether the future of crypto is multichain or not
how developers signal what ecosystem is going to win in the next expansion cycle
whether Cobie thinks staking is dying
how Chris judges market bottoms and tops
what lessons Cobie and Chris have learned from their mistakes
what innovations will catalyze the next bull cycle
what needs to happen in the future for crypto to succeed
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Episode Links
Cobie
Twitter: https://twitter.com/cobie
UpOnlyTv: https://uponly.tv/
Substack: https://cobie.substack.com/
L1 trading: https://cobie.substack.com/p/trading-the-metagame?s=r
Death of staking: https://cobie.substack.com/p/apecoin-and-the-death-of-staking?s=r
Token unlocks: https://cobie.substack.com/p/on-the-meme-of-market-caps-and-unlocks?s=r
Cycle Tweets:
Why “the next cycle” reasoning scares him
https://twitter.com/cobie/status/1524965475813568512
What projects will survive the bear
https://twitter.com/cobie/status/1469253171885318146
His call to “buy” on March 12 2020
https://twitter.com/cobie/status/1238282793244860417
Which VCs will win
https://twitter.com/cobie/status/1515667977118826500
Chris Burniske
LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/burniske/
Twitter
https://twitter.com/cburniske
Previous Unchained episode
https://unchainedpodcast.com/chris-burniske-a-blank-slate-of-state/
https://unchainedpodcast.com/chris-burniske-of-placeholder-on-the-downsides-of-icos/
https://unchainedpodcast.com/want-to-diversify-your-portfolio-try-bitcoin-say-arks-chris-burniske-and-coinbases-adam-white/
https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-to-value-a-crypto-asset/
Cycle Tweets
Feb 2022 bear call
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1495468570708426754
March 2022 bear call
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1523021991619428352
November 2021 top call
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1457884538806308868
DCA advice
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1525906152881459200
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1500593438433021952
What could knock the market further down
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1525157945079496705
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1524260987787902978
2017 ATH calls
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1524838447784947712
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1524524188366635008
Trying to time the bottom
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1523573129431240710
Chris x Cobie
Luna
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1524280637431164929
Feeling sorry for people who have lost $
https://twitter.com/cburniske/status/1524267901456248832
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ARK Analysts call $1M BTC, $180K ETH | Bullish Crypto Price Predictions
In their seminal 'Big Ideas' report for 2022, the ARK team predicts the prices of $1M for Bitcoin and over $180K for Ether. These numbers may seem outrageous in a short time frame, but with a broader perspective about the total addressable market for cryptoassets over the next decade, these ambitious predictions sharpen into something more than exuberance.
With paradigm shifts underway, we're bringing on ARK analysts Frank Downing and Yassine Elmandjra to discuss the why, how, and when of these hot price predictions–and why it's more than just the price that matters.
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82 - Investing in the Future | Cathie Wood, Chris Burniske, Yassine Elmandjra
Cathie Wood is Founder, CEO and CIO of Ark Invest, the investment management firm specializing in disruptive sectors. Yassine Elmandjra is an analyst at Ark, and Chris Burniske is the former blockchain lead at Ark and is now a partner at Placeholder VC. We’re incredibly excited to bring Cathie on the podcast for her industry-leading insights and perspective on the innovative investing space.
The thesis is simple: invest in the future. As a society, we are entering a new age of exponential and unprecedented growth, afforded by compounding technological advancements and a turning point of innovation. Ark Invest is poised to capitalize on these opportunities and has eyed cryptoassets as an important vehicle for this substantial, societal change. Dive in and learn about Wright’s Law, managing haters, Ark’s thoughts on the triple point asset, and DeFi.
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Cathie on Twitter https://twitter.com/CathieDWood?s=20 Chris On Twitter https://twitter.com/cburniske?s=20 Yassine on Twitter https://twitter.com/yassineARK?s=20 Episode with Chris https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/p/-ethereum-opportunity-chris-burniske Cryptoassets https://www.amazon.com/Cryptoassets-Innovative-Investors-Bitcoin-Beyond/dp/1260026671
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Chris Burniske on the Original Sins of Crypto
Chris Burniske is a co-founder of Placeholder, a New York venture firm that specializes in cryptoassets, and co-author of the book, Cryptoassets: The Innovative Investor's Guide to Bitcoin and Beyond. He joins us to talk about crypto's past, and the implications that has for its future.
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ARK's Head of Research on How They Find the Next Huge Winner
In a world dominated by passive investing on one end and retail YOLO traders on the other, there aren't many star fund managers these days. There's one big exception though. Cathie Wood, the head of the ARK family of funds, has become a celebrity due to the incredible performance of her stock picks. So how do they do it? On this episode, we speak with Brett Winton, ARK's Head of Research, who explains the process they use to find disruptive technologies, and the companies that will win from them.
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Why Bitcoin Now: Bitcoin Under a Biden Administration - Ep.198
In this episode, Dan Tapiero, founder of 10T Holdings and Gold Bullion International, and Cathie Wood, CEO and CIO at ARK Invest, discuss the long election week in the U.S. and how they believe Bitcoin will behave in a post-election world. They also talk about:
how a changeover from a Trump to a Biden administration could affect Bitcoin
how the prospect of legal challenges from the Trump administration might affect Bitcoin
whether they think the presidential election influenced Bitcoin’s precipitous price jump in the first week of November
what it takes to change the mind of a Bitcoin skeptic in the investment world
whether gold investors are becoming more resistant or more embracing of Bitcoin
whether Democratic control of the Senate would affect Bitcoin
how they expect the new wave of rising coronavirus cases and lockdowns to affect economies and Bitcoin
the new inflation policy introduced by Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell and how it will affect Bitcoin
the recent Bitcoin halving and how they expect Bitcoin to perform over the next year
how banking will change over the next few years and how that will affect Bitcoin
their thoughts on central bank digital currencies and how an increase in CBDCs might affect Bitcoin
what factors they are looking at right now when thinking about what could happen with Bitcoin over the next year
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Dan Tapiero: https://twitter.com/DTAPCAP
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Unchained with Brian Brooks: https://unchainedpodcast.com/acting-comptroller-of-the-currency-brian-brooks-on-crypto-banks/
Jerome Powell speech on targeting inflation of 2%: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/27/powell-announces-new-fed-approach-to-inflation-that-could-keep-rates-lower-for-longer.html
Bitcoin-gold correlation: https://coinmetrics.io/correlation-charts/#assets=btc-gld
Bitcoin-S&P 500 correlation: https://coinmetrics.io/correlation-charts/#assets=btc-s&p
Forbes profile on Cathie Wood: https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2020/10/05/how-cathie-wood-beat-wall-street-by-betting-tesla-is-worth-more-than-1-trillion/?sh=12d44f813d45
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ARK Invest's crypto analyst says bitcoin market cap could hit $3 trillion by 2025
Yassine Elmandjra, crypto asset analyst at ARK Invest, published a white paper recently that argues Bitcoin could reach three trillion dollars in market cap by 2025. On this week's episode of The Scoop, he broke down how he arrived at that conclusion.
ARK began looking into digital assets in 2015, when BTC was trading around $250. At that time, the firm published a white paper arguing BTC was unique and didn't fall into a traditional asset class. Now, it's published a part two to that early paper aimed at institutions.
"In addition to sizing that opportunity for institutions, we really tried to look at what the liquidity and volume profile of Bitcoin are relative to other asset classes and whether or not we're at we're at a place where Bitcoin can support the institutional flow that we so desire," he said. "With that...indeed, we think that over the next five years, Bitcoin presents a multi trillion dollar opportunity."
Elmandjra detailed the path to the moon on this week's episode, as well as:
The relationship between Bitcoin, the S&P and gold and what that means for strategic allocation
What increasing volumes means for Bitcoin's maturity as an institutional asset
What the main pain points are for institutional adoption of Bitcoin, like the lack of primer brokerage firms and large custodians
What it would take for Ark to gain spot exposure of bitcoin in the future
20 - The Ethereum Opportunity | Chris Burniske
Episode: #20 July 6, 2020
We sit down in this episode with Chris Burniske to talk about crypto, DeFi, and the Ethereum opportunity. Why are we here? How will crypto make the world better? Where are we going next? Oh...and is ETH money?
Chris has the incredible ability to drill deep into intricate analysis one moment then zoom out across history to tell us what is means for the future of humanity. Enjoy this conversation with our favorite crypto analyst-philosopher.
We cover:
Evolution of token valuations
Fixing the inequality of capital
Is DeFi a better system for the world?
Balancer as a case study
Have his views on governance changed?
Tribalism!
The reason we're here
Going west toward the Infinite Whitespace
The Ethereum opportunity!
Bullish ETH?
Chris's next book
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The Likely Fate of Ethereum Killers
Protocols As Minimally Extractive Coordinators
Value Capture & Quantification: Cryptocapital vs Cryptocommodities
Cryptonetworks Are Not Companies
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Why Nothing Is More Viral Than a Store of Value - Ep.168
Cathie Wood, CEO and CIO of ARK Invest, and Yassine Elmandjra, ARK's thematic analyst, discuss their investment strategy with disruptive innovation, and how blockchain technology, especially Bitcoin, plays a major role in it. They explain why the unique market circumstances due to the coronavirus have led to more correlation between crypto and the traditional financial markets, but also why, in the long-term, it will ultimately be uncorrelated. We cover why they think crypto in the age of COVID-19 will see new opportunity, and when there will be a recovery of the larger economy. They also share, from an investor standpoint, their growing conviction in Bitcoin due to its long-term value proposition compared to other chains like Ethereum. Plus, we talk about the future outlook for central bank digital currencies, and how Libra will launch, albeit differently, than expected.
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Episode links:
Cathie Wood: https://twitter.com/cathiedwood?lang=en
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Yahoo Finance interview on ARK’s big ideas for 2020: https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cathie-wood-talks-ark-invests-222723696.html
Keynote on State of Digital Assets at Volt Capital summit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2729&v=c50TMCKsktA&feature=emb_logo
ARK’s Q&A video conference on COVID-19: https://ark-invest.com/research/bis2020?utm_campaign=BIS%202020&utm_medium=email&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--kCZDJ0VuIxNViHjN7KR7qOryEusndZqMfNp7JMkD4AIZJCv8otUtZm8YgPdmVYTZb3ylv4ysbxt8fRIUvngkRLcyvIw&_hsmi=85729999&utm_source=hs_email&utm_content=85729999&hsCtaTracking=14ee7e75-5bf4-46f8-8c8c-f5aeb84b32a7%7C5f5d3a43-f10e-4792-92de-96ef495eb5c6
Feature on Cathie Wood: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-02-18/cathie-wood-s-tesla-bet-puts-ark-invest-in-spotlight
Her views on Zcash: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/12660/cathie-wood-on-the-block-the-crypto-revolution-is-coming-jump-on-or-get-out-of-the-way
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Chris Burniske: A Blank Slate of State - Ep.163
In this essay, Chris Burniske of Placeholder Capital talks about what kind of world crypto entrepreneurs are creating and want to be creating with the systems they build. He talks about different kinds of values, the dangers of only pursuing market values, and why crypto has a unique opportunity now to recalibrate those market values and incorporate more of the societal virtues we hold dear. Then he dives into which values he hopes to imbue into crypto networks and how that informs his thinking as a VC in the space.
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a16z Podcast: Cryptonetworks as Emerging Economies (Done Right?)
with Chris Burniske (@cburniske), Joel Monegro (@jmonegro), Denis Nazarov (@Iiterature), and Jesse Walden (@jessewldn)
When designing cryptonetworks -- really, emerging economies -- how do we avoid some of the monetary and fiscal policy failings of "real-world" economies? Like not separating currency and capital, which accelerated and spread economic growth through the former... but also concentrated the latter into the hands of a few? Yet how can we empower users to access capital while also managing risk?
If the promise of cryptonetworks is to better align incentives and value capture, then we can't make the same mistakes as we did in traditional economies. We also have the chance to do novel things not possible in the physical world, through software. So this episode of the a16z Podcast -- featuring voices from Placeholder VC and a16z Crypto -- goes deep into the nuances and mechanisms of cryptonetworks, tokens, and decentralized applications at every layer of the "stack". Chris Burniske (who has written a lot about financial modeling-influenced frameworks for analyzing crypto) and Joel Monegro (who has written about "fat protocols", and once managed the Digital Economy Department at the Ministry of Industry and Commerce of the Dominican Republic) of Placeholder VC discuss and debate all of the above -- and more! -- with a16z crypto's Denis Nazarov and Jesse Walden (co-founders of Mediachain, which was acquired by Spotify).
Throughout the history of information technology, we've gone from hardware to software, and software to data. So what's next, what's the layer above data? The answer is governance -- which gives more people a way to participate in decision making around a given network -- but the answer for how to implement the best governance isn't so clear.
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Cathie Wood – Investing in Innovation - [Invest Like the Best, EP.97]
My guest this week is Cathie Wood, the founder of ARK invest. Cathie and her team believe that disruptive innovation is the key to long-term growth and, therefore, alpha in the public markets.
Because their style of investing is entirely contingent on what will happen and change in the future, it is about as different a style as exists from the quantitative approach to investing, which relies on what is currently knowable about stocks and businesses.
The future is notoriously hard to predict, so I am always interested to hear about investing approaches which try to model or handicap the future and build portfolios against that work.
In this conversation, we explore all the most interesting and exciting technology trends at play in the world today—and how those trends may play out for investors. We discuss genome sequencing, blockchain, software 2.0, mobility as a service, automation, and more.
We also discuss Cathie’s take on building a bridge between the worlds of finance and Silicon Valley, and why starting with a benchmark is anathema to their process.
It is hard to deny Cathie’s passion and enthusiasm, and I credit her for building a unique firm culture that emphasizes openness and collaboration. Please enjoy our conversation on investing in innovation.
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Show Notes
2:30 - (First Question) – Cathie’s idea of bringing open source to Wall Street
4:47 – Deep dive into the platform
6:09 – White Paper on Bitcoin – Could Bitoin serve as the role of money
7:43 – Why disruptive innovation is so inefficiently priced
10:04 – How well does the market discount cash flow of disruptive businesses
14:09 – A look at their investing strategies, starting with top-down.
16:10 – How they picked their 5 categories of technological change, starting with foundational
19:42 – Changes in energy
21:53 – Robotics
24:17 – Excitement over deep learning
28:03 – How they express their top-down ideas from the bottom up
36:06 – Mobility as a service as a key area of focus
45:25 – The power of public mistakes
46:39 – What she looks for when hiring
51:14 – her philosophy on building and maintain a portfolio
56:38 – Behind the growth of the company
1:04:01 – Most exciting area for her right now
1:07:52 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Cathie
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Chris Burniske - How to Value a Cryptoasset - [Invest Like the Best, EP.62]
This episode is a continuation of the Hash Power series. It is the first of what we will call a Hash Power single—a series of conversations each with a single guest on a specific topic. In this case my guest is Chris Burniske, and the topic is cryptoasset valuation. This conversation is loaded with information, I think you are going to love it.
Chris recently released book called Cryptoassets, which is a must read for those interested in this field. Chris was at one point the only tradintional buy side analyst covering bitcoin, and is now a partner at a new crypto firm called Placeholder. Chris has developed new frameworks for evaluating and valuing cryptocurrencies, marrying techniques and ways of thinking for several different asset classes to assess the newest asset class. Chris prefers the term cryptoassets because as you’ll hear, several of these tokens aren’t really currencies at all. We discuss the differences between cryptocurrencies, cryptocommodities, and cryptotokens. We begin our conversation with a deep dive into the equation of exchange, which Chris has been using as a starting point for understanding utility value.
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Books Referenced
Cryptoassets: The Innovative Investor's Guide to Bitcoin and Beyond
Links Referenced
Hash Power Podcast Documentary
Nic Carter (twitter)
Cryptoasset Valuations (Medium)
Show Notes
4:58 - (First Question) – Chris’s overall method for evaluating cryptocurrencies
5:14– Cryptoassets: The Innovative Investor's Guide to Bitcoin and Beyond
6:47 – The equation exchange
11:19 – Bonding
12:35 – How bonding may represent a more efficient way of representing consensus over proof of work
14:29 – Why the amount being bonded and held should be taken out of the float
16:58 – Using bitcoin as an example to figure out remittances in the PQ side
18:31 – Looking at the velocity of various crypto-assets
21:04 – Chris’s impression of the different way of categorizing various crypto assets
24:37 – Explaining Auger as an example of a cryptotoken
25:38 – How could these networks be impacted by not having any censorship
27:57 – Exploring the gap between expectation vs reality in the value of crypto currency
30:43 – Other ways of valuing these crypto assets
30:50 – Hash Power Podcast Documentary
33:32 – Explaining the idea of billion dollar a day onchain transactions
36:05 – How to measure the value of the underlying network
36:37 – Nic Carter (twitter)
37:13 – What are the variables that matter when investing in cryptocurrency on a long-term horizon
39:24 – Determining when it’s better for a network to be centralized vs decentralized
42:03 – Networks that Chris is most excited about
44:06 – Understanding the consumption side of the steam marketplace
46:01 – Deep dive into the Aragon network
47:27 – How does Chris evaluate existential risk of networks
51:09 – Could these assets really ever go to zero?
54:07 – Is there a scenario in which velocity gets so high that it negatively effects the price
56:10 – What are the unknowns of cryptocurrency that Chris is most interested in
56:24 – Cryptoasset Valuations (Medium)
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How To Value A Crypto Asset
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Chris Burniske of Placeholder Ventures has recently come out with a new book, "Cryptoassets: The Innovative Investors' Guide to Bitcoin and Beyond" that dives into what crypto assets are, what makes them a new asset class, and how you calculate a valuation for such a network. He applies what is known as the equation of exchange (MV = PQ) to crypto assets and describes why the velocity of crypto assets -- the frequency with which they change hands during a particular time frame -- is likely to be much higher than for traditional assets, and discusses why he gives crypto assets much higher discount rates, which are used to determine what you should pay now for something will be worth more later. Plus, we talk about why the financial incumbents are in for a rude awakening from public blockchains.
Show notes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2017/10/17/how-to-value-a-crypto-asset/
Book: https://www.bitcoinandbeyond.com/
Chris's Medium post on crypto asset valuations: https://medium.com/@cburniske/cryptoasset-valuations-ac83479ffca7
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Inside The Booming World of Initial Coin Offerings
By now everyone's heard of Bitcoin, and probably has an opinion on it. But the world of cryptocurrencies has a new object of fascination: ICOs. Whereas the tech boom in the 90s was characterized by an obsession with IPOs, these ICOs (initial coin offerings) are cryptographic tokens being sold onto the market for hungry investors eager to get in on new ventures. And while some ICOs are connected to companies, others are connected to "protocols" that aren't even recognizably corporations. Confused? You're not alone. On this week's episode, we talk to Chris Burniske of asset management company Ark Invest to talk about this fascinating new world.
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Want to Diversify Your Portfolio? Try Bitcoin, Say ARK's Chris Burniske And Coinbase's Adam White
Invest in oil and gold? In this episode, the co-authors of a compelling white paper explain the four reasons why they believe you may soon be investing in digital oil and digital gold instead. Find out why their analysis prompted Burniske to say of bitcoin, "That's an investor's dream," why White mentioned the saying, "On the blockchain, no one knows you're a refrigerator," and how well ARK's investment in bitcoin has performed.
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