AI is smarter than you think with Shane Legg of Google DeepMind
For decades, Shane Legg has anticipated the arrival of “artificial general intelligence” or AGI.
In other words: an artificial agent that can do all the kinds of cognitive tasks that people can typically do, and possibly more...
Now as the Chief AGI Scientist and a co-founder of Google DeepMind, he stands by that prediction and is calling on the world to prepare.
This week on How I Built This Lab, Shane’s path to becoming an early AI expert and the work he and his team are doing to prepare for the technological revolution ahead.
This episode was produced by Sam Paulson with music composed by Ramtin Arablouei. It was edited by John Isabella with research help from Carla Esteves. Our audio engineer was Cena Loffredo.
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2028 AGI, New Architectures, and Aligning Superhuman Models with Shane Legg, Deepmind Founder, on The Dwarkesh Podcast
We're sharing a few of Nathan's favorite AI scouting episodes from other shows. Today, Shane Legg, Cofounder at Deepmind and its current Chief AGI Scientist, shares his insights with Dwarkesh Patel on AGI's timeline, the new architectures needed for AGI, and why multimodality will be the next big landmark. If you need an ecommerce platform, check out our sponsor Shopify: https://shopify.com/cognitive for a $1/month trial period.
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00:00) - Episode Preview with Nathan’s Intro
(00:02:45) - Conversation with Dwarkesh and Shane begins
(00:14:26) - Do we need new architectures?
(00:17:31) - Sponsors: Shopify
(00:19:40) - Is search needed for creativity?
(00:31:46) - Impact of Deepmind on safety vs capabilities
(00:32:48) - Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky
(00:37:10) - Timelines
(00:45:18) - Multimodality
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The transformative potential of AGI — and when it might arrive | Shane Legg and Chris Anderson
As the cofounder of Google DeepMind, Shane Legg is driving one of the greatest transformations in history: the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI). He envisions a system with human-like intelligence that would be exponentially smarter than today's AI, with limitless possibilities and applications. In conversation with head of TED Chris Anderson, Legg explores the evolution of AGI, what the world might look like when it arrives — and how to ensure it's built safely and ethically.
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Shane Legg (DeepMind Founder) — 2028 AGI, superhuman alignment, new architectures
I had a lot of fun chatting with Shane Legg - Founder and Chief AGI Scientist, Google DeepMind!
We discuss:
* Why he expects AGI around 2028
* How to align superhuman models
* What new architectures needed for AGI
* Has Deepmind sped up capabilities or safety more?
* Why multimodality will be next big landmark
* and much more
Watch full episode on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any other podcast platform. Read full transcript here.
Timestamps
(0:00:00) - Measuring AGI
(0:11:41) - Do we need new architectures?
(0:16:26) - Is search needed for creativity?
(0:19:19) - Superhuman alignment
(0:29:58) - Impact of Deepmind on safety vs capabilities
(0:34:03) - Timelines
(0:41:24) - Multimodality
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