Serena & Lily: Serena Dugan and Lily Kanter. They Built a $20M Brand—Then One Investor Almost Destroyed It
Many founders think the hardest thing about business is finding customers. It's not. It's surviving success. When Lily Kanter and Serena Dugan launched a luxury baby linen business, they had no manufacturing experience, no inventory, and barely any capital. But after their first catalog landed just as a major competitor left the market, orders flooded in almost overnight. The problem? They hadn’t made the products yet. Today, Serena and Lily has grown into one of the best known luxury home goods brands in the country. But getting there was a grind. This is one of the most revealing conversations we've ever had about unplanned opportunities, and the hidden cost of taking outside investment. From financing their first inventory with customer deposits... to walking away from a disastrous investment deal... to nearly losing control of the company they built, this episode is a masterclass in what happens when rapid growth collides with the realities of cash flow. You Will Learn: The clever way Serena & Lily financed its first production run How one perfectly timed opportunity launched the business Why "smart money" isn't always smart How investor and founder incentives can be completely misaligned The warning signs hidden inside a term sheet Timestamps: 06:11 – Lily's years at Microsoft, and the money that helped launch a business 11:55 – Serena repaints an old table and discovers people will pay for her designs 24:21 – “No bunnies, ducks or choo choo trains.” Lily and Serena meet, and decide to sell high-end baby linen: 36:01 – $100,000 in orders... for products that didn't exist yet 37:38 – The cash-flow hack that kept the company afloat 46:14 – “They patted us on the head.” Patronizing investors, and a predatory term sheet 51:28 – The financial crisis forces a complete reinvention of the business 58:47 – The lawsuit, the boardroom battle, and the investor who nearly brought Serena & Lily down 1:03:26 – Why acquisition offers couldn't save the company—and the lesson every founder should hear This episode was produced by J.C. Howard, with music by Ramtin Arablouei. Edited by Neva Grant, with research help from Katherine Sypher. Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis X → @HowIBuiltThis Facebook → How I Built This Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz Youtube → guy_raz X → @guyraz Substack → guyraz.substack.com Website → guyraz.com See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.