Leveling up JavaScript with Deno 2
Jerod is joined by Ryan Dahl to discuss his second take on leveling up JavaScript developers all around the world. Jerod asks Ryan why not try to fix or fork Node instead of starting fresh, how Deno (the open source project) can avoid the all too common rug pull (not cool) scenario, what’s new in Deno 2 & their pragmatic decision to support npm, they talk JSR, they talk Deno KV & SQLite, they even talk about Ryan’s open letter to Oracle in an attempt to free the unused “JavaScript” trademark from the giant’s clutches.
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Show Notes:
Node.js: The Documentary - YouTube
From Node.js to Deno: How It All Began - YouTube
10 Things I Regret About Node.js - YouTube
JSR: the JavaScript Registry
rusty_v8: Rust bindings for the V8 JavaScript engine
JavaScript™ (Dear Oracle)
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Leveling up JavaScript with Deno 2 (Interview)
Jerod is joined by Ryan Dahl to discuss his second take on leveling up JavaScript developers all around the world. Jerod asks Ryan why not try to fix or fork Node instead of starting fresh, how Deno (the open source project) can avoid the all too common rug pull (not cool) scenario, what’s new in Deno 2 & their pragmatic decision to support npm, they talk JSR, they talk Deno KV & SQLite, they even talk about Ryan’s open letter to Oracle in an attempt to free the unused “JavaScript” trademark from the giant’s clutches.
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Show Notes:
Node.js: The Documentary - YouTube
From Node.js to Deno: How It All Began - YouTube
10 Things I Regret About Node.js - YouTube
JSR: the JavaScript Registry
rusty_v8: Rust bindings for the V8 JavaScript engine
JavaScript™ (Dear Oracle)
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
815: Deno 2 with Ryan Dahl
In this episode of Syntax, Wes and Scott talk with Ryan Dahl about Deno 2.0, its new features and use of web standards, and how it seamlessly integrates with popular frameworks like Next.js. Ryan shares insights on the motivations behind Deno’s creation, its emphasis on simplicity and security, and offers his take on the evolving JavaScript ecosystem.
Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax!
00:34 What is Deno?
05:08 Deno 2.0
07:49 NPM compatibility
09:40 What parts of Node aren’t doable in Deno?
11:22 Do we need a hard break from Require?
13:51 Package management
16:25 Security and performance benefits of Deno
20:57 Brought to you by Sentry.io
20:57 Thoughts on Bun and Node additions
26:25 Ryan’s favorite Deno projects Lume
Fresh
webgpu-examples
gpucraft minecraft clone + deno + webgpu
gpucraft example
Shaderplay
Orillusion
28:42 Will we ever see a unified file system API?
31:49 Typescript
36:12 Jupyter Notebooks with Deno Polars
39:11 AI and WASM in JavaScript
42:01 Deno 2.0 features and future
43:08 Sick Picks & Shameless Plugs
Sick Picks Ryan: McCarren Park
Shameless Plugs Ryan: https://deno.com/enterprise
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Ryan Dahl explains why Deno had to evolve with version 2.0
If you’ve never seen it, check out Ryan’s classic talk, 10 Things I Regret About Node.JS, which gives a great overview of the reasons he felt compelled to create Deno.
You can learn more about Ryan on Wikipedia, his website, and his Github page.
To learn more about Deno 2.0, listen to Ryan talk about it here and check out the project’s Github page here.
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Why the creator of Node.js® created a new JavaScript runtime
Node.js® is an open-source JavaScript runtime environment.
Deno is an open-source JavaScript, TypeScript, and WebAssembly runtime. Explore the quick start or check out Deno by example, a collection of annotated examples of how to use Deno.
JSR is an open-source package registry for JavaScript and TypeScript.
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Chapters:
00:00: Introduction and Background
01:08: Creating Node.js
05:00: JavaScript on the Server Side
07:23: Impact of Node.js
09:18: Edge Function System
12:13: Protecting Against Malicious Use
16:02: JSR: Alternative to NPM
31:01: JSR and its Stage
34:20: Future of JavaScript
36:19: Closing and Shoutouts
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Big news in Deno Land
Deno creator Ryan Dahl goes one-on-one with Jerod to discuss their new npm support, why he’s so excited about JavaScript containers, Deno Deploy’s present & future, what he thinks about alternative runtimes like Bun, WinterCG, how Wasm fits into the story & more!
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Show Notes:
Ryan on The Changelog #443
Deno 1.28 announcement
JavaScript ShadowRealms
JavaScript Containers
WinterCG
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Supper Club × Ryan Dahl and Deno
In this supper club episode of Syntax, Wes and Scott talk with Ryan Dahl about Deno. Why was Deno created? What is Deno written in? How is Deno so much faster? And what’s the future of Deno?
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Show Notes 00:36 Welcome
Tinyclouds.org
Ry on GitHub
Deno
Deno Discord
01:18 The introduction of Node
02:51 Why are you still betting on JavaScript for the web?
05:34 Why did you make Deno?
09:04 How does TypeScript fit into the landscape?
11:40 How is Deno so much faster?
13:28 Sponsor: Sanity
14:17 What is Deno written in?
15:56 Should developers be learning Rust?
18:27 Will libraries that work on npm eventually work in Deno?
21:52 Are we going to use Node API’s or web spec?
24:31 Sponsor: Sentry
25:31 What is tooling like for Deno?
WinterCG
Deno VS Code Extension
29:27 What is Deno deploy?
Deno Deploy
34:01 Deno’s framework Fresh
38:56 Client side vs server side rendering
41:27 Sponsor: Gatsby
42:28 What’s the future of Deno?
43:39 Supper club questions
53:30 SIIIIICK ××× PIIIICKS ×××
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Deno's Ryan Dahl is an Asynchronous Guy
Ryan Dahl is the co-founder and creator of Deno, a runtime for JavaScript, TypeScript, and WebAssembly based on the V8 JavaScript engine and the Rust programming language. He is also the creator of Node.js.
We interviewed Dahl for The New Stack Technical Founder Odyssey series.
"Yeah, so we have a JavaScript runtime," Dahl said. "It's pretty similar in, in essence, to Node. It executes some JavaScript, but it's much more modern. "
The Deno project started four years ago, Dahl said. He recounted how writing code helped him rethink how he developed Node. Dahl wrote a demo of a modern, server-side JavaSript runtime. He didn't think it would go anywhere, but sure enough, it did. People got pretty interested in it.
Deno has "many, many" components, which serve as its foundation. It's written in Rust and C++ with a different type of event loop library. Deno has non-blocking IO as does Node.
Dahl has built his work on the use of asynchronous technologies. The belief system carries over into how he manages the company. Dahl is an asynchronous guy and runs his company in such a fashion.
As an engineer, Dahl learned that he does not like to be interrupted by meetings. The work should be as asynchronous as possible to avoid interruptions.
Deno, the company, started during the pandemic, Dahl said. Everyone is remote. They pair program a lot and focus on short, productive conversations. That's an excellent way to socialize and look deeper into problems.
How is for Dahl to go from programming to CEO?
"I'd say it's relatively challenging," Dahl said. I like programming a lot. Ideally, I would spend most of my time in an editor solving programming problems. That's not really what the job of being a CEO is."
Dahl said there's a lot more communication as the CEO operates on a larger scale. Engineering teams need management to ensure they work together effectively, deliver features and solve problems for developers.
Overall, Dahl takes it one day at a time. He has no fundamental theory of management. He's just trying to solve problems as they come.
"I mean, my claim to fame is like bringing asynchronous sockets to the mainstream with nonblocking IO and stuff. So, you know, asynchronous is deeply embedded and what I'm thinking about. When it comes to company organization, asynchronous means that we have rotating meeting schedules to adapt to people in different time zones. We do a lot of meeting recordings. So if you can't make it for whatever reason, you're not in the right time zone, you're, you know, you're, picking up your kids, whatever. You can go back and watch the recording. So we basically record every every meeting, we try to keep the meeting short. I think that's important because nobody wants to watch hours and hours of videos. And we use, we use chats a lot. And chat and email are forms of asynchronous communication where you don't need to kind of meet with people one on one. And yeah, I guess I guess the other aspect of that is just keeping meetings to a minimum. Like there's there's a few situations where you really need to get everybody in the room. I mean, there are certainly times when you need to do that. But I tried to avoid that as much as possible, because I think that really disrupts the flow of a lot of people working."
Exploring Deno Land 🦕 (Interview)
This week we’re joined by Ryan Dahl, Node.js creator, and now the creator of Deno - a simple, modern and secure runtime for JavaScript and TypeScript that uses V8 and is built in Rust.
We talk with Ryan about the massive success of Node and how it impacted his life, and how he eventually created Deno and what he’s doing differently this time around. We also talk about The Deno Company and what’s in store for Deno Deploy.
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Featuring:
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Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
10 Things I Regret About Node.js - Ryan Dahl @ JSConf EU 2019
deno.land
deno.land/manual
Announcing the Deno Company
The Changelog #155: The Future of Node.js with Scott Hammond
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