Sequoia's Roelof Botha: Why Venture Capital is Broken & How Great Companies Are Built
(0:00) Introducing Roelof Botha
(1:08) Sequoia's Scout program and its best-performing funds ever
(3:38) State of Venture Capital: Why it's broken, too much capital, not enough great companies
(9:01) Why Sequoia separated from its China business, how they adapt to changing macro landscapes
(13:05) Sequoia's culture, picking partners, investment decision-making, The Sequoia Capital Fund and holding winners
(20:18) What makes a great founder, what Roelof learned from Doug Leone and Michael Moritz
(26:06) Investing in biotech, importance of expertise in VC
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Sequoia’s Roelof Botha on “Crucible Moments” and the state of VC | E1804
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(14:31) Pre-IPO vs. Post-IPO market values
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#618: Roelof Botha — Investing with the Best, Ulysses Pacts, The Magic of Founder-Problem Fit, How to Use Pre-Mortems and Pre-Parades, Learning from Crucible Moments, and Daring to Dream
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Roelof Botha (@roelofbotha) has spent over 20 years building companies in Silicon Valley. He began within the walls of nascent PayPal, which he joined in March of 2000 while completing his MBA at Stanford. He became CFO in 2001 and led the company through both its IPO in early 2002 and subsequent acquisition by eBay. Roelof joined Sequoia Capital in 2003 to help founders build enduring businesses. He leads the US/Europe business as Managing Partner and serves as Senior Steward of the global Sequoia Partnership. Roelof is a director of 23andMe, Bird, Ethos, Evernote, Inside.com, Landis, mmhmm, MongoDB, Natera, Pendulum Therapeutics, Square, and Unity Technologies. Previously, he was a director of companies that include YouTube, Tumblr, Xoom, Assurex, and Eventbrite. He also led Sequoia’s investment in Instagram.
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[07:25] What’s the right way to say Roelof Botha?
[08:14] 10 to the ninth: motivation in the margins of a Monday meeting notebook.
[11:16] The Ulysses Pact.
[13:38] Who was Roelof’s grandfather?
[15:47] What is actuarial science, and why did Roelof choose it as his major?
[20:05] Advice for young, aspiring entrepreneurs.
[21:44] Don Valentine and his 2×2 matrix.
[24:59] The founder-problem fit.
[27:33] Don Valentine’s succinctness writ green.
[29:46] Pre-mortems and pre-parades.
[32:40] Why Sequoia is aptly named.
[36:38] Keeping the team small can be such a big deal.
[41:34] Book recommendations.
[44:07] Finding balance in the relentless pursuit.
[46:37] What it was like for Roelof to finally achieve his “10 to the ninth.”
[47:40] The Sequoia Capital Fund.
[49:40] How Sequoia’s fee structure maximizes value for clients and keeps the company strong.
[58:15] Failure? It all depends on the scale of your ambition.
[1:01:37] How Roelof guides founders who wants to sell too soon and for too little.
[1:06:48] Founders Roelof considers influential.
[1:09:39] Growing up Afrikaner.
[1:12:43] How Roelof set his sights on graduating school in first place.
[1:14:24] Silkworms.
[1:16:40] What Roelof’s TED Talk about a secondary interest would entail.
[1:18:05] Rugby.
[1:21:26] Roelof’s physical routines for staying in shape.
[1:24:17] Crucible moments.
[1:27:18] How Roelof wound up in the world of Silicon Valley startups.
[1:34:01] Early days (and challenges) at PayPal.
[1:38:05] Memorable failures and the lessons they imparted.
[1:44:32] Coping with VC’s high rate of failure as someone who hates to lose.
[1:48:01] In case of doldrums, please present homemade pesto.
[1:49:15] What Peter Thiel taught Roelof about changing his mind.
[1:56:01] How professionalization in VC has developed over time.
[2:02:25] Roelof’s billboard.
[2:04:58] Parting thoughts.
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Roelof Botha - Sequoia’s Crucible Moment - [Invest Like the Best, EP. 250]
My guest today is Roelof Botha, a partner at one of the world’s oldest and most successful venture firms, Sequoia Capital. A few days ago before I sat down with Roelof, he announced Sequoia’s boldest innovation since the firm was founded by Don Valentine in the early 1970s. Going forward, the firm will break from the traditional VC mould of fund cycles and instead restructure around a single, open-ended, permanent structure named The Sequoia Fund.
In our conversation, we first discuss the details of this change from all different angles and then dive into Roelof’s career. We talk about what’s changed over the past twenty years, his days at PayPal, what legendary investors he’s worked with have had in common, and what he’s learned from being involved in businesses like Square, YouTube, and Unity.
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Show Notes
[00:02:53] - [First question] - What led Sequoia to change their structure
[00:05:53] - Parallels between their approach and the problem Square set out to solve
[00:07:36] - The mechanics of the new fund and how it’ll affect their clients
[00:13:11] - What the future looks like and how public securities could be a dominant force
[00:15:02] - Benefits and value-unlocks that the new fund offers that weren’t available before
[00:16:55] - Comparing their structure to the current crossover funds we see emerging
[00:18:21] - What alignment looks like in this new structure for LPs
[00:22:02] - Cost of capital, interest rates, and their impacts on rates of return
[00:25:39] - Changes in the industry and founders that he’s noticed
[00:28:56] - What matters to him when meeting with young companies for the first time
[00:31:47] - The importance placed on value creation over value capture in the early days
[00:33:09] - Things that would dissuade him from partnering with a company
[00:34:18] - What the growth and leadership at Square has taught him over the years
[00:35:44] - Things he’s most excited about for payments looking forward
[00:37:34] - How often a company lowering friction with technology appeals to him
[00:38:38] - Thoughts on Unity and its role in the growing trend of the metaverse
[00:40:28] - Why the open and decentralized nature of the future is so beneficial
[00:42:05] - Lessons learned about content and internet from working with YouTube
[00:44:08] - The landscape of developers today and MongoDB's role in it
[00:49:26] - Learning to identify and hunt for crucible moments
[00:50:50] - Curiosity is the key ingredient of a great investor
[00:52:05] - What makes for a fantastic investment memo
[00:53:20] - The most memorable investment memo he’s ever read
[00:54:07] - Honing his leadership as his role has changed at Sequoia these past years
[00:55:51] - Thoughts on Sequoia’s brand and the scope of his ambition
[00:58:05] - What he’s most curious about in the world today
[00:58:46] - What technology wants most from people today
[01:01:13] - The difference between an accountant and an actuary's mindset and when each one is appropriate to inhabit
[01:02:38] - Differences between talent and genius
[01:04:12] - Closing principals about business building he finds important to consider
[01:06:17] - The kindest thing anyone has ever done for him
20VC: Sequoia's Roelof Botha on His Biggest Lessons Working Alongside Don Valentine, Mike Moritz and Doug Leone, Leading Sequoia's US Business and What Sequoia Do To Retain Their Edge at the Top & The Crucible Moments That Define Startup Success
Roleof Botha is a Partner @ Sequoia Capital, one of the world's leading venture firms with a portfolio including the likes of Airbnb, Instacart, Stripe, UiPath, Zoom, the list goes on. As for Roelof, at Sequoia he has led rounds into the likes of YouTube, Instagram, Eventbrite, Square, MongoDB, 23andMe and Unity Technologies to name a few. Before joining the world of venture, Roelof was the CFO @ Paypal playing a key role in their hyper-growth from 2000-2003.
In Today's Episode You Will Learn:
1.) How did Roelof go from actuary in South Africa to CFO @ Paypal? What were his biggest lessons from seeing Paypal burn $10M per month? How did Paypal lead to his joining Sequoia as a Partner?
2.) Market Evaluation: Does Roelof agree that the market is crazy today? How does today compare to prior vintages? How does Roelof assess the compression of fundraising timelines? With compressed timelines, how does he build relationships of trust with founders?
3.) Founder Evaluation: What were Roelof's lessons on founder assessment from Don Valentine? What matrix did Don teach Roelof to assess founders on? How does Roelof feel about the rise of competitive rounds? When should founders take them vs remain heads down on execution?
4.) Investment Mentality: How did Roelof prevent becoming too confident when early investments went well? How does Roelof prevent relying on past failures as a reason for turning down opportunities today? What can investors do to retain a very flexible mind? Why does Roelof believe you are only as good as your next investment?
5.) Sequoia's Edge: How does Roloef think about what it takes for Sequoia to retain it's edge at the top? How does Roloef measure the success of the Sequoia scout program? How did they structure it? How has the structure changed? What do they plan to do moving forward?
6.) Board Membership: How would Roloef evaluate his current style of board membership? How has that style changed over time? What elements did he find challenging? What advice would Roelof give to new board members adopting their first board seats?
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Adapting Episode 2: Sequoia’s Black Swan Memo (with Roelof Botha)
On March 5th 2020, Sequoia Capital published a Medium post entitled ‘Coronavirus: The Black Swan of 2020’. The memo minces no words, admonishing founders & CEOs to “question every assumption about your business”, and portends that “as Darwin surmised, those who [will] survive ‘are not the strongest or the most intelligent, but the most adaptable to change.’” We’re joined by longtime Sequoia partner and head of the firm’s US business Roelof Botha to discuss on what Sequoia saw leading up to the memo and why they decided to publish it, how they and their portfolio companies are adapting to the new world it warned of, and what lasting changes might come to Sequoia itself from this moment. For anyone facing hard decisions and/or looking for ways to think about opportunity, this is not one to miss.
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