Prof. Murray Shanahan - Machines Don't Think Like Us
Murray Shanahan is a professor of Cognitive Robotics at Imperial College London and a senior research scientist at DeepMind. He challenges our assumptions about AI consciousness and urges us to rethink how we talk about machine intelligence.
We explore the dangers of anthropomorphizing AI, the limitations of current language in describing AI capabilities, and the fascinating intersection of philosophy and artificial intelligence.
Show notes and full references: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ICtBI574W-xGi8Z2ZtUNeKWiOiGZ_DRsp9EnyYAISws/edit?usp=sharing
Prof Murray Shanahan:
https://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~mpsha/ (look at his selected publications)
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=00bnGpAAAAAJ&hl=en
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Shanahan
https://x.com/mpshanahan
Interviewer: Dr. Tim Scarfe
Refs (links in the Google doc linked above):
Role play with large language models
Waluigi effect
"Conscious Exotica" - Paper by Murray Shanahan (2016)
"Simulators" - Article by Janis from LessWrong
"Embodiment and the Inner Life" - Book by Murray Shanahan (2010)
"The Technological Singularity" - Book by Murray Shanahan (2015)
"Simulacra as Conscious Exotica" - Paper by Murray Shanahan (newer paper of the original focussed on LLMs)
A recent paper by Anthropic on using autoencoders to find features in language models (referring to the "Scaling Monosemanticity" paper)
Work by Peter Godfrey-Smith on octopus consciousness
"Metaphors We Live By" - Book by George Lakoff (1980s)
Work by Aaron Sloman on the concept of "space of possible minds" (1984 article mentioned)
Wittgenstein's "Philosophical Investigations" (posthumously published)
Daniel Dennett's work on the "intentional stance"
Alan Turing's original paper on the Turing Test (1950)
Thomas Nagel's paper "What is it like to be a bat?" (1974)
John Searle's Chinese Room Argument (mentioned but not detailed)
Work by Richard Evans on tackling reasoning problems
Claude Shannon's quote on knowledge and control
"Are We Bodies or Souls?" - Book by Richard Swinburne
Reference to work by Ethan Perez and others at Anthropic on potential deceptive behavior in language models
Reference to a paper by Murray Shanahan and Antonia Creswell on the "selection inference framework"
Mention of work by Francois Chollet, particularly the ARC (Abstraction and Reasoning Corpus) challenge
Reference to Elizabeth Spelke's work on core knowledge in infants
Mention of Karl Friston's work on planning as inference (active inference)
The film "Ex Machina" - Murray Shanahan was the scientific advisor
"The Waluigi Effect"
Anthropic's constitutional AI approach
Loom system by Lara Reynolds and Kyle McDonald for visualizing conversation trees
DeepMind's AlphaGo (mentioned multiple times as an example)
Mention of the "Golden Gate Claude" experiment
Reference to an interview Tim Scarfe conducted with University of Toronto students about self-attention controllability theorem
Mention of an interview with Irina Rish
Reference to an interview Tim Scarfe conducted with Daniel Dennett
Reference to an interview with Maria Santa Caterina
Mention of an interview with Philip Goff
Nick Chater and Martin Christianson's book ("The Language Game: How Improvisation Created Language and Changed the World")
Peter Singer's work from 1975 on ascribing moral status to conscious beings
Demis Hassabis' discussion on the "ladder of creativity"
Reference to B.F. Skinner and behaviorism
#93 Prof. MURRAY SHANAHAN - Consciousness, Embodiment, Language Models
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Professor Murray Shanahan is a renowned researcher on sophisticated cognition and its implications for artificial intelligence. His 2016 article ‘Conscious Exotica’ explores the Space of Possible Minds, a concept first proposed by philosopher Aaron Sloman in 1984, which includes all the different forms of minds from those of other animals to those of artificial intelligence. Shanahan rejects the idea of an impenetrable realm of subjective experience and argues that the majority of the space of possible minds may be occupied by non-natural variants, such as the ‘conscious exotica’ of which he speaks. In his paper ‘Talking About Large Language Models’, Shanahan discusses the capabilities and limitations of large language models (LLMs). He argues that prompt engineering is a key element for advanced AI systems, as it involves exploiting prompt prefixes to adjust LLMs to various tasks. However, Shanahan cautions against ascribing human-like characteristics to these systems, as they are fundamentally different and lack a shared comprehension with humans. Even though LLMs can be integrated into embodied systems, it does not mean that they possess human-like language abilities. Ultimately, Shanahan concludes that although LLMs are formidable and versatile, we must be wary of over-simplifying their capacities and limitations.
YT version: https://youtu.be/BqkWpP3uMMU
Full references on the YT description.
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:08:51] Consciousness and Consciousness Exotica
[00:34:59] Slightly Consciousness LLMs
[00:38:05] Embodiment
[00:51:32] Symbol Grounding
[00:54:13] Emergence
[00:57:09] Reasoning
[01:03:16] Intentional Stance
[01:07:06] Digression on Chomsky show and Andrew Lampinen
[01:10:31] Prompt Engineering
Find Murray online:
https://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~mpsha/
https://twitter.com/mpshanahan?lang=en
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?user=00bnGpAAAAAJ&hl=en
MLST Discord: https://discord.gg/aNPkGUQtc5
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