20VC: Why Now is the Time for the Application Layer | Why OpenAI & Anthropic Won't Win the App Layer | Why Startups Should be TokenMaxxing | Why VCs Should Reduce Weighting on Price & Ownership in an Age of AI with Mike Mignano, USV
Mike Mignano is a General Partner at Union Square Ventures, one of the most iconic venture firms in the world, whose investments include Coinbase, Stripe, Etsy, Twilio, Cloudflare. Before joining USV, Mike was a Partner at Lightspeed, where he backed breakout AI companies including Granola and Suno. Prior to investing, he co-founded Anchor, acquired by Spotify.
AGENDA:
00:00 Is Fear of Failure the Secret Weapon Behind Great Founders?
07:20 Why Leave Lightspeed for USV — and Is Thesis-Driven Venture Still Alive?
09:50 Is the Real AI Money Still in Infrastructure, or Are Apps Finally About to Explode?
13:00 Who Wins the AI Model War: OpenAI, Anthropic, Open Source, or the "Rebel Alliance"?
19:00 Are We About to Hand Our Entire Lives Over to AI Agents?
21:00 Can Anthropic Keep Growing Like This — or Will Token Spend Break the Model?
26:00 Can AI Routing Become a $50BN Company, or Is It Just a Commodity Pipe?
30:00 Will the AI Energy Crisis Create the Next Monster Venture Outcomes?
36:00 Can Startups Survive Microsoft, OpenAI, and the Brutal Power of Bundling?
45:00 Should VCs Ignore Price When Backing Generational Companies?
55:30 Is Traditional Media Dead — and Who Becomes the New Tech Kingmaker?
Inside Anchor’s Journey to Product Market Fit and 9-Figure Sale to Spotify with Mike Mignano
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Mike is currently a partner at Lightspeed Venture Partners. Before Lightspeed, he spent five years building Anchor, which he sold to Spotify in 2020, and then led Spotify’s podcast, video, and live products for three years.
It's probably safe to assume every podcast you listen to uses Mike’s product, and we go way back to the very beginning and talk through how the team at Anchor pulled it all off.Mike also shares his frameworks of “Doing the Dumb Thing” and "Super Goals," which are high-stakes, focusing goals with a clear and urgent time frame, open-ended method of achievement, and a single measure of success.
Chapters:
(00:00) Intro
(4:22) Why AI makes consumer investing interesting again
(8:05) Podcasting in the early 2010’s
(14:03) The benefits and drawbacks of RSS
(21:50) Building v1 “Instagram for audio”
(25:53) Advice for building a close-knit community
(29:28) Raising their first small round
(31:38) Inside their splashy launch at SXSW
(39:17) Why the first product failed, but allowed them to raise money to build Anchor
(45:26) What makes a good product founder
(47:39) Re-launching v2 a year later
(53:51) What is a Super Goal
(56:32) Finding Product Market Fit with months of runway left
(59:02) Getting to a million podcast creators
(01:02:09) Launching the first podcast ad network
(01:04:10) Why anchor started sponsoring its own ad network
(01:08:13) Spotify’s acquisition of Anchor
(01:14:22) How Spotify won in podcast market share
(01:16:34) Why the future of podcasts is video
Referenced:
Mike’s Podcast “Generative Now”: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXW6zY9x-gk1oPyjZ_qBCDEYKTbPpGa8S
Mike’s blog posts:
https://mignano.substack.com/p/the-standards-innovation-paradox
https://mignano.substack.com/p/the-power-of-supergoals
https://mignano.substack.com/p/startups-vs-incumbents-the-battle
https://mignano.substack.com/p/all-podcast-roads-lead-to-video
Where to find Mike:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/mignano
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mignano
Where to find Turner:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/TurnerNovak
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/turnernovak/
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(TWTR SPC) The AI Moment With @pt, @miguelisolano & @mignano
Talking this week's big week for AI, with Parker Thompson (@pt) plus@miguelisolano&@mignano
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EP 38: Anchor CEO/Founder, Spotify’s Former Head of Talk and Lightspeed Partner Mike Mignano talks the History/Future of Podcasting, Clubhouse and Web3 for creators
In the 38th episode Founder of Anchor Mike Mignano joins to talk about how he and Logan met, the origins of Anchor, selling to Spotify, what he sees as the future of podcasting, and Web3’s role in the creator economy. Plus Logan talks about his most recent Twitter backlash over being reasonably skeptical.
(0:00) Intro
(1:02) Tennessee vs Alabama
(5:58) Ghostwriter backlash
(10:15) Introducing Mike Mignano
(11:57) How Mike and Logan met
(14:09) Mike’s programming background
(17:37) Advice for kids
(21:37) Left Accenture for a startup
(27:42) Beginning of Anchor
(39:44) Selling to Spotify
(46:03) RSS as an open protocol
(53:11) The future of podcasting
(59:42) Clubhouse
(1:04:15) Apps capturing a moment
(1:06:41) Recommendation media
(1:19:39) Web3 creator economy and monetization
(1:28:36) Wrap up
Show Notes:
Dead Cat Podcast - VC Ghostwriters (w/ Logan Bartlett)
Mixed and edited: Justin Hrabovsky
Produced: Andrew Nadeau and Rashad Assir
Executive Producer: Josh Machiz
Music: Griff Lawson
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A Saturday morning podcast hosted by Logan Bartlett (Partner and Managing Director at Redpoint Ventures) covering the tech news with his friends and other people with industry expertise.
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Logan Bartlett is a Software Investor at Redpoint Ventures - a Silicon Valley-based VC with $6B AUM and investments in Snowflake, DraftKings, Twilio, and Netflix. In each episode of The Logan Bartlett Show, we sit down with the people behind today’s most important startups and extract the tactics, lessons, and frameworks they’ve learned the hard way. Conversations span hiring to GTM, product, growth, fundraising and everything in between - collectively forming the ultimate playbook to make you a better CEO, investor or board member.
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20VC News: Anchor Founder, Mike Mignano Joins Lightspeed as Partner: The Future of Social Media | Why Clubhouse Has a Challenging Model | Why TikTok Could be a $2TN Company | Why BeReal is Defensible | What Happens To OpenSea in a New World for NFTs
Mike Mignano is a Partner @ Lightspeed, one of the most successful venture firms of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Snap, Affirm, Epic Games, Mulesoft and more. As for Mike, prior to venture, he was Head of Talk for Spotify where he led the podcast, live, and video businesses for the world's leading audio streaming platform. Michael came to Spotify through their acquisition of Anchor, a company he co-founded and is credited for democratizing podcasting globally. Mike has also been a prolific angel investor with a portfolio including Cameo, Pipe, Sandbox VR and Stir.
In Today's Episode with Mike Mignano We Discuss:
1.) Exclusive News:
What exclusive news does Mike have to share today?
What would Mike most like to change about the way founders experience the product of venture capital? How can VCs be better?
What is Mike most nervous about in the new role?
2.) The World of Social is Changing Forever:
Why does Mike believe there has never been a better time for the next social media giant to be born?
Why are the largest social giants leaving behind the social graph?
What is recommendation media? Why is it a better business model?
How does the shift from social graph to recommendation media change the way large social giants operate and interact today?
3.) Startups: Risers, Fallers and Is There Room For Another Giant?
What does Mike believe Clubhouse did well? What was their undoing?
Does Mike believe BeReal is defensible? What features make it both sticky and defensible?
Will TikTok be a $2 trillion dollar company? Will Meta catch TikTok or have they gone too far ahead?
Will OpenSea be able to sustain and make the market for NFTs, despite crypto crashing?
Should startups be concerned about large social giants "copying" their features?
What does true defensibility look like in consumer social today?
4.) Angel Investing: Hits, Misses and Lessons:
From writing over 50 angel checks, what are the single biggest lessons Mike has learned?
What has been his biggest hit? How did that change the way he thinks about investing?
What has been his biggest miss? In what way did that change how he invests?
What advice does Mike give to all angel investors looking to invest today?
Revolutionizing podcasting + standards vs. innovation with Anchor Co-Founder Mike Mignano | E1520
Today's show is a CLASSIC TWiST founder interview. Anchor Co-Founder Mike Mignano joins to tell Anchor's founding story (1:40), break down what it's like getting acquired by Spotify (15:32), and talk about how RSS standards might be stunting innovation in the podcasting space. (33:17)
0:00 Jason intros today's guest: Anchor Co-Founder Mike Mignano
1:40 Mike explains why he started Anchor, the original inspiration and first versions, finding PMF, building the nuts and bolts of a great podcast publishing experience
14:23 Helpware - Go to https://helpware.com/TWIST to get $1000 off your first invoice
15:32 Why Anchor sold to Spotify, the Series B term sheet they were considering at the time of acquisition, getting courted by Spotify CEO Daniel Ek, Anchor's first check story
24:44 LinkedIn Jobs - Post your first job for free at https://linkedin.com/twist
25:58 Why Apple hasn't innovated in podcasting, paid podcasts vs. advertising
31:59 Babbel - Save up to 60% off your language learning subscription at https://babbel.com/twist
33:17 Why Mike wrote his recent article: “The Standards Innovation Paradox”, evolving standards to increase innovation, the Substack example
Read Mike's article:
https://mignano.medium.com/the-standards-innovation-paradox-e14cab521391
20VC: Why It Is All Still About User Growth and How To Address Retention For A Consumer Social App with Mike Mignano, Co-Founder & CEO @ Anchor
Mike Mignano is the Co-Founder & CEO @ Anchor, the app that allows you to share and engage with your network via audio, essentially radio for the people. Prior to founding Anchor, Mike was Head of Product @ Aviary, prior to it's acquisition by Adobe. Anchor was one of the hottest products at SXSW this year and has received funding from our good friends at Homebrew, SV Angel, Betaworks, Eniac Ventures, Scott Belsky and many more. In Today's Episode You Will Learn: 1.) How did Mike come to found one of the hottest new audio startups, Anchor?
2.) Why have we seen such a renaissance of podcast listening? Will this continue in the long term future and if so, what will drive the long term future growth?
3.) How did Mike use the beta testing phase to learn and iterate on customer behaviour? Following this, how did he implement this feedback to create a community that could be harnessed on launch?
4.) When examining alongside Sarah Tavel's hierarchy of engagement, how does Mike address retention and the creation of virtuous loops within Anchor?
5.) How does Mike fundamentally attempt to menthes Anchor? At what level of growth can the cash taps be turned on? How can Anchor be made to be revenue generating for both the platform and content creators?
Items Mentioned In Today's Episode:
Mike's Fave Blog: The Skimm
Mike's Fave Book: Cat's Cradle
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