Bitcoin's 2024 Revolution: L2s & Beyond | Eric Wall
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------ What’s the Endgame for Bitcoin Scaling? That’s what we asked bitcoin builder and researcher Eric Wall.
We start by exploring the evolution of Bitcoin and the genesis of scaling solutions on top of it. We then get into the intricacies of the BitVM, what exactly is a Bitcoin L2 and what’s coming next.
Eric is the perfect guest to explore this frontier of Bitcoin Rollups, he tells it like it is and he understands both Ethereum and Bitcoin.
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0:00 Intro 5:47 Eric Wall 9:48 The Evolution of Bitcoin 21:31 The Genesis of Bitcoin L2s 36:40 Runes 46:22 BitVM 1:04:45 Why Bitcoin L2s are Inevitable 1:09:07 Stacks 1:11:37 Bitcoin L2 Endgame 1:17:39 Scams 1:23:13 Bitcoin’s Direction 1:27:25 Closing & Disclaimers
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The Future of Bitcoin with Nic Carter, Eric Wall, & Udi Wertheimer
Taproot was the trojan horse that opened the door to a new wave of Bitcoin innovation and culture. At the forefront of this culture are Udi, Eric, and Nic, the taproot wizards causing a shift in the world of Bitcoin.
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----- Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 6:19 Introducing the Taproot Wizards 12:00 Rejected From Bitcoin Conferences 17:17 Meme and Culture Layer of Bitcoin 23:55 Taproot Was a Trojan Horse 30:28 Are Ordinals Good For Bitcoin Bags? 35:11 How Ordinals Have Changed Public Perception 41:27 A Bitcoin Civil War 47:14 "We Broke Bitcoin" 53:42 Addressing Bitcoin Media 1:04:15 Are David and Ryan Bitcoiners? 1:05:27 Closing and Disclaimers
------ Resources:
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Eric Wall https://twitter.com/ercwl
Udi Wertheimer https://twitter.com/udiWertheimer
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The Chopping Block: Wizards vs. Laser Eyes for the Future of Bitcoin - Ep. 495
Welcome to “The Chopping Block” – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, and Robert Leshner, chop it up about the latest news. In this episode, Taproot Wizards instigator Eric Wall joins the show to discuss the rise of Ordinals and what it means for the future of Bitcoin. Will inscriptions and BRC-20 tokens bring a slew of Ethereum-style problems to the original blockchain?
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
how Eric has set up a “war” between the “laser-eye tribe” and the “magicians”
how the Bitcoin maxi community is different from the normal Bitcoin user base
whether Ordinals fixes the lack of demand for Bitcoin block space
what Taproot is and what it enabled on the Bitcoin network
the MEV problem that could arise in Bitcoin now that demand for block space is going up
whether Bitcoin’s values resemble a religion
whether the increased demand for Bitcoin block space is good for the network, even if it’s fueled by JPEGs and “shitcoins”
why so many people got worried about Ledger Recover
why Robert thinks that Ledger’s new service is “terrifying” and why Haseeb is not so concerned
whether Bitcoin is becoming a unit of account once again
Hosts
Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly
Robert Leshner, founder of Compound
Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly
Guest
Eric Wall, cofounder of Taproot Wizards
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Eric Wall and Udi Wertheimer on Why Bitcoin Maximalism Is 'Like a Shitcoin Community'
Is Bitcoin Doomed to Fail? Eric Wall and Justin Bons Face Off
Why Terra Collapsed and Whether an Algo Stablecoin Can Ever Succeed
Disclosures
Links
CoinDesk:
Ledger Bats Back Criticism of New Wallet Recovery Service
The Blocksize Wars Revisited: How Bitcoin's Civil War Still Resonates Today
Nic Carter: There's No Such Thing as High Fees on Bitcoin
Unchained:
‘Backdoor’ for Seed Phrases? Ledger’s New Recovery Feature Spooks Users
‘Technically’ Possible to Extract User Keys? Ledger Addresses Deleted Tweet
Haseeb Qureshi’s thread on Ledger Recover
Previous coverage of Unchained on Ordinals and BRC-20s:
Bitcoin’s BRC-20 Mania: Is It Sustainable?
Bitcoin Ordinal NFTs Are Hot and Getting Hotter. What's the Hype About?
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NFTs Attacking Bitcoin? with Eric Wall & Casey Rodarmor
In today’s show, we’re talking about NFTs on Bitcoin. Yes, you read that right. NFTs are now part of Bitcoin. Ever since the launch of the Ordinals protocol, NFTs on Bitcoin are all anyone can talk about.
We brought on the man behind Ordinals and open source Bitcoin developer, Casey Rodarmor, and also Eric Wall, our Bitcoin expert to chat about all things NFTs on Bitcoin and what it might mean for Bitcoin’s future.
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------ Timestamps:
0:00 Intro 9:30 Ordinals 12:29 Ethereum vs. Bitcoin NFTs 14:28 Bitcoin Feature Timeline 17:55 Hard vs. Soft Forks 19:16 Bitcoin’s Segregated Witnesses 22:45 Ordinals Origin 32:11 Violating Bitcoin’s Core Philosophy 38:40 Illegitimate Bitcoin Transactions 41:13 Legitimate Bitcoin Transactions 53:55 Eric Prediction & Miner Game Theory 58:31 Bitcoin Fee Market 1:01:31 Fixed Bitcoin Fee Structure? 1:03:58 No Bloat Problem 1:10:38 Summary 1:16:21 Inscription 466 1:19:33 Bitcoin is Fun Again 1:23:50 Closing & Disclaimers
----- Resources:
Eric Wall https://twitter.com/ercwl
Casey Rodarmor https://twitter.com/rodarmor
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Alpha Leak | The Bull Case for zkBTC
In this episode, David is joined by John Light of Sovryn and Eric Wall, who moonlights David on the Bitcoin technical details throughout the interview.
The three go over the bull case for ZK-Rollups on Bitcoin. It’s undoubtedly the frontier.
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0:00 Intro 5:10 John’s Background 8:24 How zkBTC Works? 11:00 Eric’s Interest 15:43 A Better Lightning Network? 21:33 Rollups on ETH vs. Lightning Network 25:50 Rollup Potential 29:24 Optimism 32:15 Expressivity 43:53 Limitless Bitcoin Applications 46:29 Layer 3 Protocols 50:25 What Needs to Happen 52:05 Forks & Flippening Effects 58:00 Proof Systems & Recursive Covenants 1:09:40 Next Steps 1:12:00 Research 1:14:12 Eric’s Thoughts on Bitcoin 1:16:50 Closing & Disclaimers
------ Resources:
John Light https://twitter.com/lightcoin
Eric Wall https://twitter.com/ercwl
Validity Rollups on Bitcoin https://bitcoinrollups.org/
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Eric Wall and Udi Wertheimer on Why Bitcoin Maximalism Is 'Like a Shitcoin Community' - Ep. 412
Eric Wall, crypto blogger and investor, and Udi Wertheimer, a recovering Bitcoin maxi, discuss everything about Bitcoin Maximalism, whether BTC can survive, and whether Ethereum constitutes a threat for Bitcoin.
Show highlights:
how Eric and Udi got involved with Bitcoin
what Bitcoin was like in the first days
how Bitcoin maxis appear to have a script to engage in discussions
the philosophy behind Bitcoin maximalism
why Eric believes Bitcoin maximalism is like a “weird cult”
how Eric thinks that the BTC community has an unspoken rule forbidding criticisms
whether Bitcoin has lost intellectual power
why people have recently been turning away from Bitcoin maximalism
why the poor Bitcoin culture doesn't mean it's the end for Bitcoin, according to Eric
the perception of the Lightning network and how people are not interested in faster blockchains
whether Bitcoin should increase the use cases of the blockchain, like DeFi, NFTs, and stablecoins
El Salvador's adoption of BTC and whether it had an impact
what happens to internet subcultures and how the behavior of Bitcoiners could be predicted
whether Ethereum is a threat to Bitcoin
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Episode Links
Previous Coverage of Unchained:
Is Bitcoin Doomed to Fail? Eric Wall and Justin Bons Face Off
Arthur Hayes, Former Ethereum Skeptic, on Why the Merge Makes Him Bullish on ETH
With the Merge, Will Ethereum Take Over Bitcoin’s Title as Digital Gold?
Bitcoin Culture and Security
The Rise and Fall of Bitcoin Culture by Paul J. Dylan-Ennis
Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths in subculture evolution by David Chapman
Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary by Peter Todd
Justin Bond’s thread on BTC security model
A (brief and incomplete) history of censorship in /r/Bitcoin
Ultra sound money
El Salvador:
Previous Coverage of Unchained: Bitcoin in El Salvador: Why Would Cypherpunks Support Government-Mandated Bitcoin Adoption?
El Salvador’s Bitcoin Paradise Is a Mirage by Nelson Rauda
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Is Bitcoin Doomed to Fail? Eric Wall and Justin Bons Face Off - Ep. 398
In a heated debate, Eric Wall, crypto blogger and investor, and Justin Bons, founder and chief investment officer of Cyber Capital, discuss Bitcoin’s security model, whether there are fundamental flaws in its design, and which is the best consensus mechanism.
Show highlights:
why Justin stopped believing in Bitcoin and why he calls it “technically one of the worst cryptocurrencies”
how Eric’s views on Bitcoin changed over time
the problems they see with Bitcoin’s security
why Eric attacks BTC maximalism, even when he is a Bitcoiner
how the Bitcoin community will change in the next decades, and why the security problem is a challenge that could be solved
whether BTC should increase its inflation and whether that would break the store of value proposition
why Justin thinks that BTC fails as money and won’t play a relevant role in the future
what happened around the time of the blocksize debate back in 2015-2017
whether there’s something wrong with Bitcoin’s culture and why Eric compares it to a doomsday cult
why Ethereum has external dependencies that can impose systemic risks, according to Eric
whether proof of stake or proof of work is a better consensus mechanism
whether Ethereum is more censorship resistant than Bitcoin
why BTC is a speculative asset and what Justin believes is needed for crypto to finally flourish
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Previous Coverage of Unchained:
Arthur Hayes, Former Ethereum Skeptic, on Why the Merge Makes Him Bullish on ETH
With the Merge, Will Ethereum Take Over Bitcoin’s Title as Digital Gold?
Bitcoin’s Security, Blocksize and Culture
Surprisingly, Tail Emission Is Not Inflationary by Peter Todd
Justin’s thread that kicked off the debate
A (brief and incomplete) history of censorship in /r/Bitcoin
Theory On Bitcoin Governance; Three Stage Model by Justin Bons
Centralization:
Ethereum Post-Merge Centralization
Lido’s validators
BTC Centralization
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Why Terra Collapsed and Whether an Algo Stablecoin Can Ever Succeed - Ep.352
Nic Carter, general partner at Castle Island Venture, Eric Wall, former Chief Investment Officer of Arcane Assets, and Erik Voorhees, founder of ShapeShift, discuss what happened with the TerraUSD (UST) and LUNA fiasco, Do Kwon’s responsibility, the impact on the crypto ecosystem, and much more. Show highlights:
how Erik used to feel that algo stablecoins were impossible and why he changed his mind
why Eric considers that the demand for UST was tied to a sh*tcoin
why Nic didn’t think LUNA would work
how a stablecoin could theoretically be decentralized
whether Nic, Eric, and Erik think this was a deliberate attack
why they think whether or not there was a deliberate attack is not even relevant
how the de-peg started with a liquidity issue on Curve
why Nic thinks that Terra’s biggest mistake was the 19.5% APY on Anchor
whether pursuing a decentralized stablecoin is a worthy goal
what aspects of UST were decentralized, according to Erik
whether algo stablecoins are dead or whether in the future, death spirals of algo stablecoins can be avoided
why Erik believes that everything in the crypto space is an experiment, even BTC
what it says that the VCs behind Terra knew were so reputable
why Do Kwon's arrogance and inexperience might have caused this chaos
whether Terra can be rebuilt
whether this collapse imposes risks on other blockchains and other assets
why the Luna Foundation Guard’s purchase of Bitcoin might have made the UST collapse even worse
what Erik thinks about the global financial system and the US dollar
how this event could trigger more regulation in the crypto space and why it might hurt the entire ecosystem
how regulators might use the Terra case to impose CBDCs.
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Twitter: https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees
Eric Wall
Twitter: https://twitter.com/ercwl
Nic Carter
Twitter: https://twitter.com/nic__carter
Previous Unchained Coverage of Terra
Do Kwon on backing UST with BTC
https://unchainedpodcast.com/do-kwon-is-backing-ust-with-bitcoin-and-heres-what-else-he-is-building/
Kevin Zhou on the risk of UST’s death spiral
https://unchainedpodcast.com/heres-why-usdn-de-pegged-from-the-dollar-and-why-ust-might-too/
Jon Wu on how Terra got de-pegged:
https://unchainedpodcast.com/did-someone-deliberately-attack-terra-luna-to-kick-off-a-death-spiral/
Terra
Twitter: https://twitter.com/terra_money
UST Mechanics: https://angelprotocol.medium.com/how-does-ust-work-ec7b2f6e2c2c
Luna Foundation Guard: https://lfg.org/team/
UST Bank Run: https://www.wsj.com/articles/crash-of-terrausd-shakes-crypto-there-was-a-run-on-the-bank-11652371839
Speculation of a deliberate attack: https://onchainwizard.substack.com/p/how-to-make-800m-in-crypto-soros?s=r
Do Kwon’s Proposed Terra’s Revival: https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/05/13/do-kwon-proposes-restart-of-terra-blockchain-as-ust-luna-plummet/
Terra Blockchain Halted: https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/05/12/luna-issuer-terra-halts-blockchain-after-week-of-losses/
Upcoming Regulation
https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/terra-stablecoin-loses-peg
https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/146583/yellen-says-the-stablecoin-market-is-still-too-small-to-pose-systemic-risk
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Eric Wall of Arcane Assets: "Bitcoiners Protect BTC Against 'Shitcoinism' But They're Also Keeping it From Valid Technical Ideas"
In this week’s episode I speak with Eric Wall, chief investment officer at Arcane Assets. He used to be known as the Altcoin Slayer, thanks to his brutal takedowns of non-bitcoin tokens in the 2017 ICO era, which made him popular among Bitcoin maximalists. But he’s not a maximalist anymore, and sees value in other blockchains as he has recognized they can fulfill use cases that Bitcoin can’t. He even argues Bitcoin risks being overtaken by Ethereum if it doesn’t adopt some ETH’s own features and developments, such as a fee-burning mechanism and a more expressive scripting language.
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67 - The Altcoin Slayer | Eric Wall
Eric Wall is a prominent thinker and contrarian in the crypto space. He has an independent mind and is unafraid to bust through groupthink and act as an ideological razor for the crypto community.
In this episode, Eric dives deeply into a variety of profound takes on Bitcoin, Ethereum, and his approach to the community.
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------ Bankless Podcast #66: The Altcoin Slayer Guest: Eric Wall
Eric Wall is CIO of Arcane Assets, and a well-known (and often infamous) writer and thinker in the crypto space. He has engaged in arguments with camps and tribes throughout the space, remaining unapologetically independent and committed to his values. Though a Bitcoiner at heart, Eric has come around on Ethereum as the ecosystem has matured.
In this episode, we dive into values and the ethos of crypto that Eric fights for. As a principled believer in trustless systems and decentralization, Eric walks through many of the big-picture obstacles and accomplishments of the crypto space. Viewing this landscape with a digital biologist's lens, we address these projects as digital organisms, following many of the same laws we see in nature. Wherever organisms exist, Darwin is nearby.
Eric brings a refreshing and unfiltered set of takes to the Bankless Podcast, reminiscent of other independent thinkers we've had on like Hasu. Regardless of your opinions on Eric, he represents an important part of the blockchain conversation. He serves as an ideological razor, giving no one the benefit of the doubt and prioritizing accountability and earned legitimacy.
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Topics Covered:
0:00 Intro 4:45 Eric Wall, the Altcoin Slayer 7:45 The Term “Trustless” 16:58 Eric’s Approach to Crypto 22:50 Networks are Organisms 31:50 Survival of the Fittest 41:50 Bitcoin vs Layer 2 59:15 Tribes vs Facts 1:06:30 Eric’s ETH Journey 1:21:43 Thoughts on Proof of Stake 1:31:14 Is ETH Money? 1:40:58 What ETH Gets Wrong 1:53:55 Navigating the Frontier 2:01:00 Closing & Disclaimers
------ Resources:
Eric on Twitter https://twitter.com/ercwl?s=20 Proof of Stake is Less Wasteful https://ercwl.medium.com/proof-of-stake-is-less-wasteful-b2854a191766#:~:text=Image%20of%20a%20diesel%20generator,ever%20had%20on%20the%20platform. ETH is Irreplaceable https://newsletter.banklesshq.com/p/eth-is-irreplaceable
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