Cliff Asness on How Markets Got Dumber in the Last 10 Years
The Odd Lots podcast has been around for 10 years. Unfortunately, markets have gotten less rational over the same time frame. At least this is the contention of Cliff Asness, the co-founder and CEO of AQR Capital Management, a quantitative investing firm that's been around for nearly three decades. Asness' approach to investing is rooted in academic theory, having studied under the legendary Eugene Fama at the University of Chicago. In the world of social media and meme stocks, it's tough out there for the academically minded. And that's forced Cliff to adjust his approach over time. On this episode, we talk about the history of quantitative investing, market efficiency, and the emergence of AI/ML in his process. We also talk about the reality of investing other people's money, and the challenge of sticking with one's convictions at a time when temporary forces are working against you.
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Cliff Asness – The Past, The Present & Future of Quant [Invest Like the Best, EP.111]
My guest this week is Cliff Asness, the managing and founding principal at AQR Capital Management. 20 years after its founding in 1998, AQR manages $226 Billion dollars across a number of quantitatively based investing strategies. Cliff was an original quant researcher and he has long been one of the financial writers and thinkers that I look to for education and for inspiration. I distinctly remember reading one paper in particular—value and momentum everywhere—somewhat early in my career and thinking: this is the kind of research I want to do forever. You can always tell when talking to Cliff or hearing him speak that he just loves researching markets. There is a deep intellectual honesty in his work, and a respect for thinkers at different ends of the market spectrum, from Gene Fama and Ken French, to Jack Bogle, to Dick Thaler and Robert Shiller. Our conversation is about all things quant—past, present, and future. Cliff touches on many of the big issues facing quant investing and tells some great strong along the way. I hope you enjoy our discussion. Let’s dive in.
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Show Notes
1:47 - (First Question) – Favorite superhero
2:43 – Why ‘Ka nama kaa lajerama’ is part of his twitter profile.
3:38 – How portfolios have shifted the way they use factors in a portfolio
10:15 – What are good questions clients are asking right now
13:24 – Contrarian Factor Timing Is Deceptively Difficult
15:40 – Does technology impact investing strategy
22:14 – When to share information vs keep it proprietary for clients sake
26:40 – How their research process is governed
31:14 – How they will incorporate machine learning into their process
34:21 – What they will do when red flags show up
37:01 – Wackiest question from a client
41:47 – The Three Sharpe Ratio Strategy
41:53 – Liquid Alt Ragnarök
48:10 – Does his thinking change when it comes to asset allocation vs portfolio building
50:17 – Parallels Between the Cross-Sectional Predictability of Stock and Country Returns
53:01 – Sin a Little
57:14 – Trends in fees and pricing
1:02:43 – Thoughts on private equity markets
1:11:03 – Common attributes of really good researchers
1:13:21 – What is he most curious about right now
1:15:43 – What excites him outside of finance
1:17:00 – How much he discusses his work with his kids
1:18:35 – The Devil in HML’s details
1:19:36 – Kindest thing anyone has done for him
Learn More
For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.
Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub
Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag