Amanda Brock

Explore the complex intersection of AI and open source with insights from experts in this illuminating discussion. Amanda Brock, CEO of OpenUK, reveals the challenges in labeling AI as open source amidst legal ambiguities. The dialogue, led by TNS host Alex Williams, delves into the evolution of open source licensing, its departure from traditional models, and the complications arising from applying open source principles to AI, which encompasses sensitive data governed by privacy laws. The focus turns to "Llama 2," a contentious example where Meta labeled their language model as open source, sparking confusion. Notable guests Erica Brescia, Managing Director at Redpoint Ventures, and Steven Vaughan-Nichols, founder of Open Source Watch, weigh in on this topic. Brock emphasizes that AI's complexity prevents it from aligning with the Open Source Definition, necessitating a clear distinction between open innovation and open source. Amidst these debates, the Open Source Initiative (OSI) is crafting a new definition tailored for AI, sparking anticipation and discussion about its implications. The necessity for an evolved understanding of open source and its licenses is underscored, as the rapid evolution of technology challenges established norms. The journey concludes with reflections on vendors transitioning from open source licenses to Server Side Public License (SSPL) due to cloud-related considerations, raising questions about the future of open source in a dynamically changing tech landscape. Learn more from The New Stack about open source and AI: Open Source May Yet Eat Google's and OpenAI's AI Lunch Open Source Movement Emerging in AI To Counter Greed How AI Can Learn from the Struggles of Open Source

Amanda Brock

CEO

OpenUK

Erica Brescia

COO

GitHubBitnamiRedpoint Ventures

In this episode of The New Stack’s On the Road show at Open Source Summit in Austin, Amanda Brock, CEO and founder of OpenUK, talked with The New Stack about revenue models for open source and how those fit into building a sustainable project. Funding an open source project has to be part of the sustainability question — open source requires humans to contribute, and those humans have bills to pay and risk burnout if the open source project is a side gig after their full time job. That’s not the only expenses a project might accrue, either — there might be cloud costs, for example. Brock says there are essentially eight categories of funding models for open source, of which really two or three have been proven successful. They are support, subscription and open core. So how do we define open core, exactly? “You get different kinds of open core businesses, one that is driven very much by the needs of the company, and one that is driven by the needs of the open source project and community,” Brock said. In other words, sometimes the project exists to drive revenue, sometime the revenue exists to support the project — a subtle distinction, but it’s easy to see how one or the other orientation could change a company’s relationship with open source. Are both types really open source? For Brock, it all comes down to community. “It’s the companies that have proper community that are really open source to me,” she said. “That’s where you’ve got a proper project with a real community, the community is not entirely based off of your employees.”

Amanda Brock

CEO

OpenUK