Reverie

In this deep dive episode, Brandon Curtis (Rio), Myles O'Neil (Reverie), and Ryan West (Blockworks Research) unpack the emerging world of restaking on Ethereum. The conversation starts with a detailed look at the restaking supply chain, from ETH deposits in LRTs to securing AVSs. The group discusses the key differences between LRTs and LSTs, yield strategies, and fragmented user preferences. They also explore the dynamics between LRTs and AVSs, including the leverage AVSs currently have and the challenges with off-chain "handshake" agreements. Thanks for tuning in! - - Follow Myles: https://twitter.com/MylesOneil Follow Brandon Curtis: https://twitter.com/bcmakes Follow Westie: https://twitter.com/WestieCapital Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santiago: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - Arbitrum is a game-changer for daily Ethereum's users and developers, offering top applications and lower fees. As the leading scaling solution with 600+ apps, explore Arbitrum’s Portal to find your perfect fit. Interact with the home of DeFi, a flourishing NFT and creator ecosystem, and a rapidly growing Web3 gaming hub – Arbitrum has it all.  Get started at: portal.arbitrum.io  - - Monad is a fully EVM compatible Layer 1 blockchain that can support 10,000 real transactions per second. Monad aims to open up the design space for the EVM to support high fidelity defi, consumer facing applications, and more generally allow crypto to scale to the masses. If you are interested in participating in Monad's journey, follow: https://twitter.com/monad_xyz and join: https://discord.gg/monad - - SKALE is a modular, AppChain network that offers zero gas fee transactions and instant finality. Tailored for ease of development and onboarding, SKALE's configurable EVM chains enable next-gen use cases in gaming, AI, DePin, and others. With over 20,000,000 users having saved over $6 Billion on gas fees, SKALE is the blockchain for mass adoption. Bridge to SKALE at portal.skale.space and stay up to date with the gasless blockchain at @skalenetwork - - Marinade is the leading Solana staking service that spreads your stake across 100+ top validators, distributes MEV rewards, and provides automatic downside protection with new Protected Staking Rewards. Choose to liquid stake for mSOL for use in DeFi, or delegate your stake through Marinade Native, which gives you full custody of your SOL and no smart contract risk. Max performance for you, max performance for Solana. https://blckwrks.co/Marinade - - Timestamps: 00:00 intro 02:37 Restaking Supply Chain 10:56 Restaking Today 18:11 LRTs & AVS Dynamics 30:54 LRT Selection Process 41:21 AVS Leverage Advantage 45:21 Arbitrum Ad 46:09 Monad Ad 47:07 Marinade Ad 48:12 Skale Ad 49:28 AVS Security 55:09 LRTs vs LSTs 01:07:06 LRT Risk & Yield Strategies 01:17:07 Native vs External Staking 01:26:26 Eigen Layer Competitors - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Brandon Curtis

Founder

Rio Network

Myles O'Neil

Founder

Reverie

In this episode of Empire, Jason and Santi are joined by Sunny Aggarwal (Osmosis co-founder) and Derek Hsue (Reverie co-founder & "I Pledge Allegiance" co-host) to discuss the future of Osmosis, appchains and protocol governance. Show highlights include: - Learnings from the CeFi fallout - How protocols should re-think token incentives - Thoughts on dYdX moving to Cosmos - Why applications should launch their own chain - One of the biggest shortfalls of rollups - Osmosis as the interchain DEX - Mars protocol on Osmosis - Why Cosmos governance is so active - Experimenting with a DAO's org structure - Osmosis exploit and learnings - The Osmosis roadmap - What Sunny and Derek are looking forward to - - Follow Sunny: https://twitter.com/sunnya97 Follow Derek: https://twitter.com/derek_hsue Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw - - Referenced in the show: "I Pledge Allegiance" podcast co-hosted by Derek https://tinyurl.com/493vrmpp - - ParaSwap: If you want to make a swap at the best price across the DeFi market, check out paraswap.io. ParaSwap’s state-of-the-art algorithm beats the market price across all major DEXs and brings you the most optimized swaps with the best prices and lowest slippage. Visit paraswap.io/beta to learn more about Paraswap's new app. - - Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ -- (00:00) Introduction (00:50) Lessons Learned From CeFi Fallout (03:04) Rethinking Capital Spend (06:17) Osomosis Incentive Structure (08:04) dYdX Moves to Cosmos (10:27) The Downside of Rollups Today (15:38) Why Projects Should Launch Their Own Appchain (18:56) The Cosmos Hub and Shared Security (22:09) Appchains Will Expand Their Scope (26:38) Paraswap Ad (27:48) Applications on Osmosis (31:00) The Fat Application Thesis (33:47) Active Governance in Cosmos (37:54) Governance Is Not the Goal (40:22) What Should DAOs Be Used For? (42:41) DAO Org Structures (47:30) Osmosis Exploit & Learnings (50:35) The Osmosis Exploit & Learnings (1:00:55)The Osmosis Vertical Integration Bet (1:05:40) The Future of DeFi (1:14:40) Web of Trust & zk Applications -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

Sunny Aggarwal

Co-Founder

Osmosis LabsOsmosis

Derek Hsue

Co-founder

Reverie

Derek Hsue, cofounder at Reverie, discusses the recent controversial decisions by Solend DAO and Bancor, the importance of establishing processes for black swan events, and whether decentralized governance truly exists. Show highlights: what situation prompted Solend to feel it was in jeopardy what Solend DAO’s response was to that situation why Derek views it as “the nuclear option” why the proposal sparked an outcry from the crypto community whether this issue could have been prevented or managed differently if the protocol was built on a blockchain other than Solana why, a day later, the DAO reversed its first decision to take over the whale’s account whether Derek thinks the DAO made the right decision to not take over the whale’s account what is Impermanent Loss Protection, a feature offered by Bancor why Bancor decided to pause Impermanent Loss Protection whether Celsius and 3AC had anything to do with Bancor’s problem how Bancor’s decision was made unilaterally how DAOs should deal with black swan events     Thank you to our sponsors!   Crypto.com: https://crypto.onelink.me/J9Lg/unconfirmedcardearnfeb2021  Ava Labs: https://www.avax.network/     EPISODE LINKS   Derek Twitter: https://twitter.com/derek_hsue   Reverie Website: https://www.reverie.ooo/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/hi_reverie   Solend DAO Situation Covered on Monday’s Unchained Newsletter: https://unchainedpodcast.com/does-this-dao-deserve-emergency-power%e2%81%89%ef%b8%8f/ Proposal to invalidate the first one: https://decrypt.co/103330/solana-lending-dao-overturns-vote-to-take-over-at-risk-whale-wallet The whale moved $25 million from Solend: https://www.theblock.co/post/153207/solana-whale-shuffles-25-million-to-reduce-risk-to-defi-protocol-solend   Bancor Pausing Impermanent Loss Protection Bancor’s post: https://blog.bancor.network/market-conditions-update-june-19-2022-e5b857b39336 Anthony Sassano’s reaction: https://twitter.com/sassal0x/status/1539082583832526848?s=20&t=OzTV6M5bCH4fxJIJUtLA4Q   DAO Governance issues: Lido DAO proposes to reduce the existing scope of governance of its token holders: https://research.lido.fi/t/ldo-steth-dual-governance/2382 Jack Niewold 's thread: https://twitter.com/JackNiewold/status/1539307339928457217?s=20&t=OzTV6M5bCH4fxJIJUtLA4Q Unchained Coverage: How Soulbound Tokens Could Reduce Speculation and Improve DAO Voting – Ep.360: https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-soul-bound-tokens-could-reduce-speculation-and-improve-dao-voting-ep-360/     Main tweet On this Friday’s Unchained, Derek Hsue explains: * why the first Solend DAO vote was the “nuclear option” * whether Solana’s history of downtime spurred the proposal * Bancor’s decision to stop Impermanent Loss Protection * what this all means for DAO governance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Derek Hsue

Co-founder

Reverie