Palmer Luckey on Hardware, Building, and the Next Frontiers of Innovation
Recorded live at our Founders Summit, a16z general partner Chris Dixon speaks with Palmer Luckey, founder of Anduril and Oculus VR. They talk about what it takes to build hardware at scale, where the biggest technological bottlenecks are today, and why optimism is still warranted despite geopolitical turmoil and regulatory constraints. They also cover crypto, stablecoins, modern warfare, the U.S.–China technology race, AI and manufacturing, and frontiers like fusion and quantum computing—plus lessons from Oculus, the founding of Anduril, and how to build mission-driven teams.
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Palmer Luckey - Inventing the Future of Defense - [Invest Like the Best, CLASSICS]
Welcome to this classic episode. Classics are my favorite episodes from the past 10 years, published once a month. These are N of 1 conversations with N of 1 people. Palmer Luckey is a relentless builder and original thinker. He founded Oculus, bringing virtual reality to the mainstream, and is now reshaping the future of defense and technology with Anduril. I hope you enjoy this conversation.
Palmer is the founder of Anduril, which makes next-generation military technology for the US and its allies. Since bringing the company to life in 2017, Palmer and Anduril have disrupted the established order in the Defense industry. Prior to Anduril, Palmer founded Oculus VR, a virtual reality business that he sold to Facebook for $2 billion.
Palmer is only in his early 30s, but he has already experienced more than most people will in a 40-year career. We talk about innovation, invention, differentiated thinking, and so much more. Please enjoy this great discussion with Palmer Luckey.
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Show Notes
(00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best
(00:01:15) Meet Palmer Luckey
(00:02:03) The importance of synthetic long-chain hydrocarbon fuel
(00:08:12) Ranking America's potential for innovation
(00:11:18) Why there aren't more Thiel Fellowships
(00:13:31) The principles that motivate and drive him
(00:16:56) What it has been like working in the world of defense after the attack on Israel
(00:19:09) Surprising lessons learned when building a large company
(00:22:37) How to approach a new field initially
(00:27:20) Meeting other out-of-the-box thinkers
(00:31:46) Inventors working backward from existing systems versus forward from their ideals
(00:33:26) The most pressing issue in national security
(00:39:36) What matters most for America from a defense perspective
(00:42:33) How to determine which problems to prioritize
(00:48:59) Lessons learned from working with AI
(00:55:56) How Apple is shaping the future of VR
(01:00:11) Which videogame a prospective employee should excel at
(01:02:41) Why Oculus was so successful in marketing
(01:09:48) The kindest thing
Why Silicon Valley Turned Against Defense (And How We’re Fixing It)
Palmer Luckey got fired from Meta for backing the wrong candidate—now he's the hero saving American defense, and that shift tells you everything about how fast the ground moved beneath Silicon Valley's feet. For decades, tech and defense were allies, then came 15 years of hostility so visceral that Google employees revolted over a Pentagon AI contract, and when leadership caved, only three people showed up to hear what border security actually involves. But something broke: COVID exposed our inability to make things, Ukraine revealed wars now iterate in days not decades, and suddenly the Harvard dorm room generation realized the people building satellites and drones weren't just necessary—they were the future, while legacy defense contractors still operate on Soviet-style five-year plans that guarantee cost overruns and obsolescence. Now the question isn't whether Silicon Valley returns to its Cold War roots, but whether America wins by becoming more like China's centralized system or doubles down on the chaotic creativity that built nine of the world's ten most valuable companies in 25 years—and the founders flooding into defense, energy, mining, and manufacturing suggest the second American century is just getting started.
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The AI arsenal that could stop World War III | Palmer Luckey
AI in warfare is no longer hypothetical; it's inevitable, says Palmer Luckey, an inventor and founder of the defense technology company Anduril Industries. He takes us inside the high-tech arms race to build AI-powered weapons, "killer robots" and autonomous fighter jets at scale — and makes the counterintuitive case for why this may be the surest path to deterrence and lasting peace. (Followed by Q&A with technologist Bilawal Sidhu)
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Navigating the Frontier: Jack McCauley's Journey into AI, VR, and Gaming
In this episode, we navigate the frontier alongside Jack McCauley, co-founder of Oculus, as we explore the uncharted territories of AI, VR, and gaming.
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Palmer Luckey - Inventing the Future of Defense - [Invest Like the Best, EP.350]
My guest today is Palmer Luckey. Palmer is the founder of Defense company Anduril Industries, which makes next-generation military technology for the US and its allies. Since bringing the company to life in 2017, Palmer and Anduril have disrupted the established order in the Defense industry. Prior to Anduril, Palmer founded Oculus VR, a virtual reality business that he sold to Facebook for $2 billion.
Palmer is only in his early 30s, but he has already experienced more than most people will in a 40-year career. We talk about innovation, invention, differentiated thinking, and so much more. Please enjoy this great discussion with Palmer Luckey.
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Show Notes:
(00:03:28) - The importance of synthetic long-chain hydrocarbon fuel
(00:09:37) - Ranking America's potential for innovation
(00:12:43) - Why there aren't more Thiel Fellowships
(00:14:56) - The principles that motivate and drive him
(00:18:21) - What it has been like working in the world of defense after the attack on Israel
(00:20:34) - Surprising lessons learned when building a large company
(00:24:02) - How to approach a new field initially
(00:28:45) - Meeting other out-of-the-box thinkers
(00:33:11) - Inventors working backward from existing systems versus forward from their ideals
(00:34:51) - The most pressing issue in national security
(00:41:01) - What matters most for America from a defense perspective
(00:43:58) - How to determine which problems to prioritize
(00:50:24) - Lessons learned from working with AI
(00:57:21) - How Apple is shaping the future of VR
(01:01:36) - Which videogame a prospective employee should excel at
(01:04:06) - Why Oculus was so successful in marketing
(01:11:13) - The kindest thing anyone has ever done for Palmer
194 - How Crypto Saves The Internet | Li Jin & Eugene Wei
Many of our listeners are familiar with Li Jin, an investor and co-founder of Variant Fund and is one of our favorite thinkers on crypto and the creator economy. Li is also joined by Eugene Wei. He’s a web2 product visionary. Listeners may be familiar with some of his incredible blog posts such as, “Status as a Service”, “Invisible Asymptotes”, “Why Information Grows” and more.
In today’s episode, these two gigabrains, one from web2 social, one from web3 crypto, talk about the future of status as a service, psychological ownership, and the future ties between social and crypto.
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Eugene Wei https://twitter.com/eugenewei https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2019/2/19/status-as-a-service https://www.eugenewei.com/blog/2018/5/21/invisible-asymptotes
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Palmer Luckey (Founder, Oculus and Anduril): How He Got Fired For Making a $9,000 Donation in Support of Trump
Palmer Luckey is the founder of Oculus (VR headset maker that sold to Facebook for $2.3B) and Anduril (an autonomous military technology company valued at $8.5B).
In the episode, Palmer uncovers the real story of why he was famously fired from Facebook in 2017. He also shares his thoughts about the virtual reality industry and discusses why building these autonomous military defense systems leads to more ethical wars.
This discussion originally happened in September 2022. Thanks to all of the engaging details, we’ve decided to reshare it!
(0:00) Intro
(1:43) Welcome Palmer Luckey
(2:19) Being misrepresented by the media
(7:39) Choosing advancement of the VR industry over personal views
(11:24) Palmer’s donation to a pro-Trump group and the fallout
(16:42) Game studios “not” working with Oculus
(23:17) What the Facebook PR team got wrong
(31:27) Palmer's biggest takeaways from the firing
(38:14) Palmer’s background and founding Oculus
(41:09) Why you should follow your talents over your passions
(48:31) Selling Oculus
(53:15) Founding Anduril after being fired from Facebook
(1:06:51) What does Anduril do?
(1:12:38) Knowing a little about a lot
(1:14:05) Autonomous military systems
(1:16:16) How AI can improve war ethics
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The Declining Half-Life Of Social Media — With Eugene Wei
Eugene Wei is a tech analyst and product veteran, with time spent inside Meta, Amazon, and Hulu. He joins Big Technology Podcast for a discussion of social media's longevity, considering how the decay of mainstay platforms changes the incentives to participate. Tune in for a in-depth discussion of social media's longterm trajectory, examining the TikTok algorithm, Threads, Twitter under Musk, and the puzzling persistence of Facebook. In the second half, listen to an engaging lightening round, where Wei comments on the state of his former employers and his longtime friendship with Amazon CEO Andy Jassy.
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(IHP) Eugene Wei On How Amazon Won
No joke, this is one of my favorite episodes we've ever done. Eugene Wei was an early employee at Hulu, so we get some details on that company for the first time, and he also worked at Flipboard and Oculus, so we get some important context especially on the future of VR and the like. But the most fascinating stories you'll hear will be about Amazon, where Eugene was the first analyst in the strategic planning department. As you'll hear, Eugene had a unique perspective on Amazon's early strategy and business structure, almost a historically unique perspective... he could see month to month, how Amazon was built, what Amazon was trying to do, and why. This is such an amazing perspective on such an important company.
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Palmer Luckey's Ambitions For The Metaverse And AI Warfare — With Palmer Luckey
Palmer Luckey is the founder of Oculus VR and the founder of Anduril, a military technology company. Luckey joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss Meta’s Metaverse ambitions, whether they’re misguided, and how Apple is poised to compete. Stay tuned for the second half, where we discuss the prospects — and advisability — of AI warfare, how the technology might spill over to police departments, and what a just war is. We discuss the prospects of sentient AI's threat to humanity at the very end.
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Rebooting the Arsenal of Democracy with Palmer Luckey
Starting in the 1960s, technology companies, funded by the U.S. Department of Defense, were essential for creating the processors that would eventually launch satellites and guide missiles. Half a century later, today’s tech companies can — and need — to move even faster and smarter, as international adversaries scale up their aggressions. In this episode, Anduril Industries Founder Palmer Luckey will discuss how Silicon Valley is using new technologies to build new tools, systems, and companies to defend our nation and its interests.
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Oculus & Anduril Founder Palmer Luckey: From Flipping iPhones On Ebay To Selling For $2Bn To Facebook
Episode 378: Sam Parr (@TheSamParr) and Shaan Puri (@ShaanVP) talk with billionaire Palmer Luckey (@PalmerLuckey), founder of Oculus and Anduril, about what he's done with his money since selling Oculus to Facebook, his ideas for a new prison system and sewer food, as well as his take on national security and why he flies coach.
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Show Notes:
(07:05) - How much did you make from the Oculus sale?
(13:55) - Palmer's journey from minimum wage to millionaire
(18:55) - What did you do with your money when you sold Occulus?
(26:30) - Palmer's crypto investment
(29:15) - What are the online forums that people should be hanging out in?
(37:45) - What ideas were you pursuing after you sold Oculus (prisons, food)?
(54:40) - What does Anduril do?
(01:15:15) - Jason Calacanis vs. Palmer
(01:23:25) - Flying coach
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EP 34: Interview w/ Oculus & Anduril Founder Palmer Luckey + Jon Sakoda Predicts Record VC Investments
In the 34th episode, Palmer Luckey discusses founding Oculus VR, the controversy that got him fired from Facebook, and having to fight lies in the media. Plus his current success with Anduril and what the job of a CEO really entails. Decibel’s Jon Sakoda also makes an appearance to talk about his prediction of record VC investments and the revival of startup funding in the coming years.
(0:00) Intro
(1:02) Welcome Jon Sakoda
(6:13) Jon’s charts
(14:49) Internet Bubble
(20:34) Public vs private market valuations
(32:58) Other takeaways and predictions
(35:45) Welcome Palmer Luckey
(36:21) Journalism school
(39:10) The Oculus story
(41:41) Choosing VR over personal issues
(45:26) Donating to pro-Trump group
(50:44) Game studios “not” working with Oculus
(57:19) Facebook leadership’s intent
(1:05:29) The takeaway from Facebook controversy
(1:12:16) Founding Oculus
(1:15:11) Following talents vs passion
(1:22:33) Selling Oculus
(1:27:17) Founding Anduril
(1:40:54) What Anduril does
(1:46:40) Knowing a little about a lot
(1:50:18) Morality in war
(1:53:42) Building technology before war occurs
(1:57:15) Going to Ukraine
(2:00:51) Being a CEO
(2:05:21) An executive’s actual job
(2:07:51) Wrap up
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https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Hyn4FWHSNRrWJeddi0BMEQIMlmXy2SNj50T8jJcrKbw/edit#slide=id.g1273c4d3e67_15_0
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Tiktok's Algorithm and Creativity Network Effects
What does the success of TikTok's algorithmically-driven product tell us about the future of creators and the creator economy, product design, and innovation within video?
In this cross-over archive episode from our tech news podcast, 16 Minutes on the News, we go deep into the what, why, and how of TikTok's algorithm, which lies at the heart of the product and drives its "creativity network effects." The conversation features Eugene Wei (former head of product at Hulu, Flipboard, and video at Oculus), in conversation with host Sonal Choksi. This episode originally aired in September 2020, when there was talk of U.S. ownership/partnership for the American version of TikTok, which is from Chinese company ByteDance.
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#AIS: Palmer Luckey on Anduril
This talk was recorded LIVE at the All-In Summit in Miami and included slides. To watch on YouTube, check out our All-In Summit playlist: https://bit.ly/aisytplaylist
0:00 Jason intros today's episode
2:31 Palmer Luckey on Anduril, national defense & the current thing
25:24 Bestie Q&A with Palmer
53:13 Jason gives closing thoughts
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20VC: Eugene Wei on "Status as a Service", Why Networks Grow and Stop Growing, The Worst Design Choices Social Media Incumbents Have Made & The Next 10 Years of Media and the Metaverse
Eugene Wei is one of my favorite thinkers, writers, and strategists in tech today. Having spent the majority of his professional career at consumer internet companies, Eugene started his career with a 7-year stint at Amazon with a focus on product. He then joined Hulu leading the product, design, editorial, and marketing teams. Post Hulu, Eugene co-founded Erly, later acquired by Airtime, and then joined Flipboard as Head of Product. Finally, Eugene's last position was with Oculus as Head of Video. You have to check out Eugene's blog and can find his writing here.
In Today's Episode with Eugene Wei You Will Learn:
1.) How Eugene made his way into the world of tech and startups with his first position at Amazon? What did Eugene do differently that made him stand out to the recruiters at Amazon?
2.) Decision-Making: Why does the process and medium by which decisions are made matter so much? How has Euegene's decision-making process changed over time? Where do many people go wrong in constructing and optimising their decision-making process? What are Eugene's biggest takeaways and lessons from Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs on messaging?
3.) The World of Social: What does Eugene believe is the graph design problem for so many social apps today? What does Eugene believe are the best and the worst design choices social media incumbents have made? How does Eugene encourage the next generation of consumer social founders to think through design decisions?
4.) Status as a Service: What does the concept of "Status as a Service" mean to Eugene? What is the biggest misunderstanding people have with the concept? What has fundamentally changed this concept in the last 2-3 years? How does the rise of crypto and NFT's impact the notion of "status as a service"? How does Eugene believe this will look in 10 years?
5.) The World of Media: How does Eugene think through the attention economy today? Why is media and content harder than ever today? Why does Eugene believe media has now become zero-sum? What does Eugene believe will be the future business model for media?
Item's Mentioned In Today's Episode with Euegene Wei
Eugene's Favourite Book: The Sound and the Fury, The Visual Display of Quantitative Information
20VC: Anduril Founder, Palmer Luckey: "I Am Here To Build a $50Bn Company", How Palmer Evaluates His Relationship To Money Pre & Post Oculus' $2.3Bn Exit & Why The US DOD Needs To Be More Like China in It's Approach
Palmer Luckey is the Founder @ Anduril Industries, founded on the premise of radically transforming the defence capabilities of the United States and its allies by fusing artificial intelligence with the latest hardware advancements. To date, Palmer has raised over $385M with Anduril from Founders Fund, a16z, Elad Gil, Spark Capital, Lux Capital, General Catalyst and 8VC to name a few. Prior to changing the world of defence, Palmer founded Oculus VR where he designed the Oculus Rift. Oculus VR was acquired by Facebook for $2.3Bn in 2014.
In Today's Episode You Will Learn:
1.) How Palmer made his way into the world of startups, made his way from trailer to selling Oculus for $2.3Bn to changing the defence industry with Anduril today?
2.) How does Palmer evaluate his own relationship to money? How has that changed since his $2.3Bn Oculus exit? How does Palmer assess his relationship to risk? How does Palmer approach the correlations between money, risk and happiness?
3.) What were some of Palmer's biggest takeaways from his time scaling Oculus? How have they informed his mindset with Anduril? What worked? What did not work? How has Palmer changed as a leader? How does Palmer approach personal development? How does he optimise for it?
4.) Palmer scaled Oculus to 1,400 people in 1 year, where do organisations break with scale? Why does Palmer believe, "you never want to play yourself"? Where does he feel his biggest weakness is as a scaling leader? How does Palmer approach hiring at scale yet maintaining culture?
5.) From a defence standpoint, why does Palmer feel the US needs to be more like the Chinese? Why is the DoD so poor at investing in innovation? What does it take to sell into the DoD really effectively? Why have the only 2 successful defence companies been founded by billionaires?
Items Mentioned In Today's Show:
Palmer's Fave Book: The Three-Body Problem
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(Bonus) TikTok's Secret Sauce With Eugene Wei and A16Z's 16 Minutes Podcast
Eugene Wei and Sonal Chokshi explain plainly how and why TikTok is an evolutionary (and algorithmic) step beyond the social graph.
Eugene's original essay, TikTok and the Sorting Hat
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Eugene Wei – Tech, Media, and Culture - [Invest Like the Best, EP.118]
My guest this week, Eugene Wei, has one of the most interesting backgrounds of anyone I’ve had on the podcast. He worked at Amazon early in its life, was the head of product at Hulu and Flipboard, and head of video and Oculus.
Our conversation is about the intersection of technology, media, culture. We discuss Eugene’s concept of invisible asymptotes: why growth slows down (for both companies and people) and how some can burst through. I’d list more of the topics, but we covered so much that you should just listen.
Finally, I’ll say that after spending a day with Eugene (including a wildly interesting dinner with Eugene, past podcast guest Sam Hinkie, and future podcast guest Kevin Kwok) that he is the type of uniquely interesting and kind person I am always searching for and one that I wish I could bet on somehow. If you know more people like this, reach out and suggest them for this podcast. Now, enjoy our conversation.
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Show Notes
1:38 - (First Question) – Idea of cuisine and empire
1:52 – Cuisine and Empire: Cooking in World History
4:20 – Key takeaways from the Defiant Ones Documentary
8;25 – Being convinced to buy a sports coat
11:10 – The concept of invisible asymptote
17:43 – How the medium shapes the messaging and the impact of cameras everywhere on society
17:48– Invisible asymptotes
17:56 – Selfies as a second language
22:57 – Proof of work in building a social network
32:51 – Magnification of inequalities in digital networks
34:01 – The Lessons of History
36:47 – His thoughts on the media industry’s impact on society as a whole
39:42 – His time at Hulu
44:48 – Places where video could replace text
47:30 – The need for media for any business looking to grow
49:35 – Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business
53:08 – Personal asymptotes
57:19 - Habit building and goal setting
1:00:29 – Travel recommendations
1:03:24 – Movie recommendations
1:08:16 – Product recommendations and what makes them indispensable
1:10:44 – Creation: Life and How to Make It
1:13:23 – Thoughts on the art of conversation
1:14:59 – The Most Human Human: What Artificial Intelligence Teaches Us About Being Alive
1:18:30 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Eugene
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The future of media, commerce, and what the west can learn from China
Today I'm at Kleiner Perkins in San Francisco's South Park neighborhood to talk to Eugene Wei and Eric Feng.
Eugene Wei has worked at Oculus, Flipboard, Amazon and Hulu. He actually left Amazon in the mid-2000s to attend film school before jumping back into tech. He’s also a prolific writer on his blog, Remains of the Day.
Eric Feng is co-founder of Packagd and General Partner at Kleiner Perkins. He has previously worked at Microsoft, Flipboard and Hulu, where he and Eugene worked together.
Fun fact: Eugene actually married Eric! (Eugene was the officiant at his wedding).
In this episode we talk about:
The uniqueness of video as a medium of communication and the future of how video will be created and consumed. Eric and Eugene worked together at Hulu and they talk about the background to the recent trend of tech moving in on Hollywood's turf.
Creating tighter feedback loops when you're trying to learn something new or change your behavior. Eugene tells the story of adding after-market sensors to his golf clubs that give him all kinds of information on the speed and length of his swing. He calls it a swing coach on your phone and talks about how the trend of sensors and immediate feedback could be used to improve peoples' overall health, not just their short game.
As some of the most plugged-in individuals in tech these days, they also discuss some of the trends they've been seeing in the tech industry and make some predictions about what they expect to see in the future. They discuss changes in how young people communicate these days, how the Chinese tech industry is different from the West's and why they expect to see the shift to e-commerce from advertising continue.
We also discuss some of their favorite products including sensors you can stick on your golf clubs to give you pro-level stats, a tech-enabled meat smoker, and a way to solve the perennial 'baby with a stuffy nose' problem.
We’ll be back next week so be sure to subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Spotify, Breaker, Overcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. Also, big thanks to our sponsors, GE Ventures, Rally Rd, and AngelList for their support. 😸
Quotes from This Episode
“Post-Google and post-Facebook there was this huge shift to ad-supported monetization for everything. The entire world had moved to ads and that was the only way that you could build a company… but that pendulum has swung really far back over, because of this new paradigm shift of people being comfortable with e-commerce and now mobile facilitating that more. Commerce is now a much more interesting monetization model for startups than advertising.” — Eric
“VR/AR, if you lump it in with self-driving cars, cryptocurrency, generalized artificial intelligence, all of these things are going to take longer than people expect, and that’s fine. They’re going to require a lot of big hardware advances, finding the right use cases, all of that is just going to be slower. But they’re all going to change the world in huge ways.” — Eugene
“Take for example the shirt I’m wearing. It got made in some textile factory, the distribution was through a retail store, I paid in cash in-person and then I put it on. But in the era of technology two of those things have really fundamentally changed — the way it’s distributed and the way I purchase it. Now I buy it online and it’s sent to my home. But the way it’s created and the way it’s used are still the same, I’m still wearing it one sleeve at a time.” — Eric
“The history of Hollywood is one where the studios went from really being vertically integrated to just being financiers and marketers. The thing about SV vs Hollywood is that SV tech companies have a lot more cash than all the studios put together. They’re a lot more profitable because of all their other businesses.” — Eugene
Companies and Products Mentioned in This Episode
Blast — Sensors for sport.
Hulu — Live and on-demand TV.
Mindie (RIP) – 7-second music videos
Nosefrida — Stuffy nose solution for babies.
Reflect — AI-powered face swap.
Sandbox VR — In-person, social VR experiences.
Tik Tok — Creative music video clip maker.
Traeger — Tech-enabled smokers.