This AI:AM highlights cut brings together Cameron Berg, David Duvenaud, Michiel Bakker, Shawn “swyx” Wang, and Bing Xu to examine what we understand about frontier AI systems and what happens as more decisions move into their hands. Berg grounds model-consciousness debates in experiments on architecture, agency, valence, and welfare, while Duvenaud argues that even well-aligned AI could gradually disempower humans through ordinary economic choices. Bakker frames Europe’s AI challenge as a sovereignty problem, and swyx turns to practitioner stakes around agents, evals, maintainable code, and who owns the system of record. Xu closes the loop at the infrastructure layer, arguing that self-improving compute and GPU-kernel automation may deepen rather than weaken the CUDA moat.
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CHAPTERS:
(00:00) About the Episode
(00:38) Special Sponsor
(02:26) Model consciousness indicators
(10:47) Valence inside models (Part 1)
(17:09) Sponsor: Claude
(19:01) Valence inside models (Part 2)
(19:01) Misalignment and uncertainty
(25:16) Gradual disempowerment threat
(35:10) Slow zones and successors
(47:41) Europe's AI bind
(55:13) Frontier code benchmarks
(01:01:59) Routing and memory
(01:10:42) Agent infrastructure strain
(01:16:25) Self improving infrastructure
(01:27:56) Routing compute costs
(01:35:39) Sovereign AI financing
(01:42:24) Judging AI judges
(01:47:26) Building AI DNA
(01:52:38) Episode Outro
(01:55:09) Outro
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What's at the top of AI engineers' minds? Swyx, organizer of the AI Engineer Summit and host of Latent Space, joins us to discuss MCP (Model Context Protocol), the rise of AI agents, and how the role of AI engineers is evolving.
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The great Simon Willison joins SWYX and I to talk about everything we learned about LLMs in 2024, and what the state of AI is generally, as we go into 2025.
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00:00 The State of AI in 2025
10:05 The Evolution of AI Models
19:54 Challenges in AI Agents
30:07 The Future of AI in Creative Industries
38:29 The Rise of AI Influencers
40:54 Credibility in the Age of AI
43:15 The Future of User Interfaces for LLMs
51:17 Local LLMs and Desktop AI Applications
55:17 AI Tools and Applications for Everyday Use
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01:08:08 The Need for Better Criticism of LLMs
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Shawn “swyx” Wang is back to talk with us about the state of DevRel according to ZIRP (the Zero Interest Rate Phenomenon), the data that backs up the rise and fall of job openings, whether or not DevRel is dead or dying, speculation of the near-term arrival of AGI, AI Engineering as the last job standing, the innovation from Cognition with Devin as well as their mis-steps during Devin’s launch, and what’s to come in the next innovation round of AI.
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DevRel’s Death as Zero Interest Rate Phenomenon
Measuring Developer Relations
pandas
Jasper AI
Writer.com
harvey.ai
Cognition.ai
Anthropic
Changelog Interviews #594: Microsoft is all-in on AI: Part 2 (with Mark Russinovich, Eric Boyd & Neha Batra)
The Rise of the AI Engineer
AI News
von Neumann probes (Self-replicating spacecraft)
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NLW is back with Part 2 of his conversation with the hosts of Latent Space. In this segment they hone in on the trends Swyx and Alessio are seeing in what developers are building.
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NLW is joined today by the hosts of the Latent Space podcast for part one of a wide-ranging conversation about the changes and shifts in the AI market in early 2024.
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In this episode, Nathan sits down with Swyx of Latent Space to chat about AI engineers and tools to check out, competitive dynamics between OpenAI, other foundation model providers, and developers, and if Swyx would wear an AI Horcrux. We also learn that Nathan lived in the same dorm as Mark Zuckerberg back in his college days (and was a late adopter to Facebook…). If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive
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(00:00:49) AI Nathan’s intro
(00:03:14) What is an AI engineer?
(00:05:56) What backgrounds do AI engineers typically have?
(00:15:51) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky
(00:17:13) Swyx’s Discord AI project
(00:20:41) Key tools for AI engineers
(00:23:42) HumanLoop, Guardrails, Langchain
(00:27:01) Criteria for identifying capable AI engineers when hiring
(00:30:59) Skepticism around AI being a fad and doubts about contributing to AI
(00:34:03) AI Engineer Conference speaker lineup
(00:41:14) AI agents and two years to AGI
(00:46:04) Expectations and disagreement around what AI agent capabilities will work soon
(00:50:12) Swyx’s OpenAI thesis
(00:53:03) AI safety considerations and the role of AI engineers
(00:56:24) Disagreement on whether AI will soon be able to generate code pull requests
(01:01:07) AI helping non-technical people to code
(01:01:49) Multi-modal Chat-GPT and the future implications
(01:03:33) Nathan living in the same dorm as Mark Zuckerberg
(01:04:44) Competitive dynamics between OpenAI and other AI model developers
(01:05:39) Play.ht vs ElevenLabs
(01:09:20) The tension between platforms and developers building on top of them
(01:11:40) The best thing startups can do to compete with foundation model providers
(01:16:26) User identity/authentication services like Login with OpenAI
(01:19:20) Google vs the other live players
(01:20:46) AI Horcruxes / Pendants
(01:22:05) The concept of an AI app bundle for consumers and developers
Today NLW is joined by Swyx and Alessio, the hosts of the Latent Space podcast to discuss the key technical developments from the last month of AI, including code interpreter; llama 2; the latest in AI agents; growing interest in AI companions, and more.
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Daniel had the chance to sit down with @swyx and Alessio from the Latent Space pod in SF to talk about current AI trends and to highlight some key learnings from past episodes. The discussion covers open access LLMs, smol models, model controls, prompt engineering, and LLMOps. This mashup is magical. Don’t miss it!
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Latent Space podcast
Featured Latent Space episodes: Benchmarks
Reza Shabani
MosaicML and MPT
Segment Anything
Mike Conover
Featured Practical AI episodes: From notebooks to Netflix scale with Metaflow
Capabilities of LLMs 🤯
ML at small organizations
Prediction Guard
Data Dan
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Our big AI discussion with @ReamBraden and @swyx.
Shawn just posted this new essay drawing on what we discussed here:
Every Google vs OpenAI Argument, Dissected
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To wrap up the year we’re talking about what’s breaking the internet, again. Yes, we’re talking about ChatGPT and we’re joined by our good friend Shawn “swyx” Wang. Between his writings on L-Space Diaries and his AI notes repo on GitHub, we had a lot to cover around the world of AI and what might be coming in 2023.
Also, we have one more show coming out before the end of the year — our 5th annual “State of the log” episode where Adam and Jerod look back at the year and talk through their favorite episodes of the year and feature voices from the community. So, stay tuned for that next week.
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Show Notes:
AI Notes
Why “Prompt Engineering” and “Generative AI” are overhyped
Multiverse, not Metaverse
The Particle/Wave Duality Theory of Knowledge
OpenRAIL: Towards open and responsible AI licensing frameworks
Open-ish from Luis Villa
ChatGPT for Google
The Myth of The Infrastructure Phase
ChatGPT examples in the wild
Debugging code
TypeScript answer is wrong
Fix code and explain fix
dynamic programming
Translating/refactoring Wasplang DSL
AWS IAM policies
Code that combines multiple cloud services
Solving a code problem
Explain computer networks homework
Rewriting code from elixir to PHP
Turning ChatGPT into an interpreter for a custom language, and then generating code and executing it, and solving Advent of Code correctly
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In this supper club episode of Syntax, Wes and Scott talk with Shawn Wang about his thoughts on developer experience, why DX is important, and the importance of learning in public.
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01:56 Guest introduction
swyx.io
Why Temporal?
06:09 What is Developer Experience?
Sarah Drasner
08:35 Is VS Code considered DX?
09:28 Why is internal DX important?
Vercel
NextJS
11:44 Is DX helpful to small organizations as well?
15:27 Parsimony
Parsimony
16:43 Is productivity the main focus?
21:09 Sponsor: Hasura
22:48 What are your thoughts on React?
27:31 Designing for API success
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32:07 What is external developer experience?
36:05 Learning in public
40:46 Supper Club questions
dx.tips
Retreon VS Code Theme
Agnoster ZSH Theme
freeCodeCamp
Frontend Masters
QConf
Learn in Public
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Wes’ Twitter
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Scott’s Twitter
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About swyx
swyx has worked on React and serverless JavaScript at Two Sigma, Netlify and AWS, and now serves as Head of Developer Experience at Airbyte. He has started and run communities for hundreds of thousands of developers, like Svelte Society, /r/reactjs, and the React TypeScript Cheatsheet. His nontechnical writing was recently published in the Coding Career Handbook for Junior to Senior developers.
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In 2020, Shawn (swyx) Wang wrote:
Every 10 years there is a changing of the guard in JavaScript. I think we have just started a period of accelerated change that could in thge future be regarded as the Third Age of JavaScript.
We’re now in year three of this third age and Swyx joins us to look back at what he missed, look around at what’s happening today, and look forward at what might be coming next.
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Reactathon
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The Third Age of JavaScript
Lydia Hallie’s talk on rendering patterns
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The Birth and Death of JavaScript
The Rise of WebAssembly (Infoworld)
Ryan Dahl on JavaScript containers
swyx on The Changelog #467
The other thing I like about esbuild is that it’s a static Go binary, so I feel more confident that I’ll be able to get it to work in the future than with tool written in Javascript, just because I understand the Javascript ecosystem
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Swyx is known for learning in public, and he joins the party to teach Ali and Nick about what he’s been working on with Temporal IO, what it is, and why he’s excited about it. We also talk about his role as Director of Developer Experience, including what developer experience is, how to do it, and what goals to set.
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Changelog 467: Connecting the dots in public
Temporal
Sidekiq
React
Netlify functions
Serverless
Jamstack
The All Powerful Front End Developer - Chris Coyier
RabbitMQ
Guillermo Rauch on Twitter
React Suspense
React Server Components
AWS SQS
Collision Installation
JavaScript Temporal Proposal
Temporal TypeScript API
Swyx thread on Temporal
The Web is the only modern programming platform
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Today we’re joined by Shawn “swyx” Wang, also known as just “swyx” — and we’re talking about his interesting path to becoming a software developer, what it means to “learn in public” and how he’s been able to leverage that process to not only level up his skills and knowlege, but to also rapidly advance his career. We cover Swyx’s recent writing on the light and dark side of the API economy — something he calls “living above or below the API,” his thoughts on Cloudflare eating the cloud by playing Go instead of Chess, and we also talk about the work he’s doing at Temporal and how’s taking his frontend skills to the backend.
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Featuring:
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Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
Learn in Public
The Light and Dark Side of the API Economy
Eating the Cloud from Outside In
The Coding Career Handboox (this link includes an embedded coupon code for 30% off)
Cloud Operating Systems and Reconstituting the Monolith
No Zero Days: My Path from Javascript Newbie to Full Stack Developer at Age 30
freeCodeCamp.org
#Doccies (we’re planning to do something around this soon, stay tuned in 2022)
Cloud Distros and the Deployment Age of the Cloud
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Today, we're continuing the discussion of learning in public with guest, Shawn Swyx Wang.
Swyx is best known for being the Reactjs subreddit mod, and recently released the book, "The Coding Career Handbook".
In this part 2 with Swyx, we focus in on productivity, strategy and tactics of senior vs. junior engineers and what beginning engineers can do to level up in their career.
🌎 Swyx on the Web
Swyx Twitter
Swyx Personal Website
Swyx on GitHub
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LearninPublic.org
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This week, we continue the discussion of learning in public with guest, Shawn Swyx Wang.
Swyx is best known for being the Reactjs subreddit mod, and recently released the book, "The Coding Career Handbook".
In this part 1 with Swyx, we discuss his background and how he got started in engineering.
🌎 Swyx on the Web
Swyx Twitter
Swyx Personal Website
Swyx on GitHub
The Coding Career Handbook use code DEVTEA30 at checkout to enjoy 30% off
LearninPublic.org
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