20VC: Why Cursor is Dead | An AI Tsunami is Coming & You Need to Prepare | Systems of Record Become Valueless Databases with Agents | Is This The End of Tech Private Equity with Jerry Murdock, Co-Founder of Insight Partners
Jerry Murdock is the Co-Founder of Insight Partners, one of the most formidable growth investors of the last three decades, with over $90 billion in AUM and a portfolio that has shaped the modern software economy. Jerry never does podcasts, and so this is his first-ever long-form interview.
AGENDA:
03:50 There is an AI Tsunami Beginning
05:43 Cursor is F***** and Everyone Knows It
07:28 How Open Source Will Crush in an Agent First World
10:20 Is NVIDIA F****
17:32 Are Systems of Record Dead in an Agent-First World
21:04 Humans Will Not Buy Software, Agents Will…
24:57 Universal Basic Income Will Have to Happen, Mass Unemployment is Coming
30:54 What Happens to Tech Private Equity: Is Thoma Bravo F******
37:50 What Single Decision Does Jerry Regret Most… Why?
41:45 Single Biggest Mistake With Insight… What Did Jerry Learn?
45:26 Why is Now the Best Time to Start a Fund
47:03 The Twitter Bet that Made $90BN Insight
49:34 Biggest Marriage and Parenting Advice
56:04 Will Agents Help Us Live Forever
Jeff Horing - Building Insight Partners - [Invest Like the Best, EP.440]
My guest today is Jeff Horing. Jeff cofounded Insight Partners and has been the Managing Director since 1995. This is one of Jeff’s first public conversations about building one of the world’s most successful technology investment firms with over $100 billion in AUM. Jeff reveals the mechanics behind Insight's legendary sourcing machine—60-80 people systematically calling companies worldwide. He explains their contrarian "one fund" strategy that deploys $12 billion across everything from $10M growth deals to billion-dollar buyouts, and why he thinks this creates unmatched competitive advantages. We discuss remarkable talent diaspora, AI representing a "TAM accelerator," and Insight’s five-ingredient framework for perfect investments. Please enjoy this great conversation with Jeff Horing.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes:
(00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best
(00:08:35) Insight Partners' Investment Strategies
(00:13:06) Evaluating Software Businesses
(00:22:51) The One Fund Strategy
(00:29:32) The Evolution of Insight's Sourcing Strategy
(00:35:09) Operationalizing the Sourcing Process
(00:44:43) Adapting to Market Changes and Strategies
(00:49:45) Navigating Market Corrections and Investment Strategies
(00:51:40) Challenges and Opportunities in Venture Buyouts
(00:54:12) Talent Development and Retention at Insight
(00:56:03) The Importance of Sourcing and Pattern Recognition
(01:02:08) Scaling and Operationalizing Investment Strategies
(01:20:24) Impact of AI on Investment and Software Markets
(01:27:40) Reflections on Winning and Selling Strategies
(01:30:34) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Jeff
Is Silicon Valley still the best place for startups? Insight Partners’ Ryan Hinkle doesn’t think so
Today on Equity, Julie Bort sits down with Ryan Hinkle a Managing Director at Insight Partners, the giant New York-based venture capital firm that invests in tech worldwide. It has $90 billion in assets under management and just raised a new $12.5 billion fund.
The pair unpack the evolving landscape of startup ecosystems. They talk about the post-pandemic shift that saw many founders moving to cities like New York or Miami only for the rise of OpenAI and Cerebral Valley and the accompanying AI boom to reignite San Francisco and Silicon Valley in general.
While some founders say that they are now relocating their companies to San Francisco, Hinkle disagrees with the necessity of doing so.
He concedes that the Valley offers an unmatched talent pool but argues it also comes with steep costs and retention challenges, making it far from the only viable choice for startups.
Listen to the full episode to hear more about:
Why startup success isn’t tied to a single location but rather to access to skilled, loyal, and affordable talent
How Silicon Valley’s abundance of opportunities creates a "mercenary” hiring culture, making employee retention difficult
The key differences between building in New York vs. Silicon Valley, including financial management and access to venture capital
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AI Ventures: Charting the Course with Praveen Akkiraju from Insight Partners
In this episode, we chart the course of AI ventures in the realm of venture capital with Praveen Akkiraju from Insight Partners, exploring the transformative role of artificial intelligence in investment strategies.
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20VC Roundtable: Are IPOs Back? Is Growth Dead? What Does it Take to Raise a Growth Round Today? How Do VCs Solve The Liquidity Challenge? Will We See a Massive Resetting of Valuations? AI Hype Growth Rounds?
Deven Parekh is a Managing Director at Insight Partners, one of the leading investing franchises of the last 25 years. Deven has made more than 90 investments since joining in 2000 including in the likes of Twitter, Alibaba, JD.com, Chargebee and Automattic (WordPress) to name a few.
Woody Marshall is a General Partner @ TCV, one of the most successful growth funds of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Facebook, AirBnB, Spotify, LinkedIn and many more incredible companies.
Jason Lemkin is the Founder @ SaaStr one of the best-performing early-stage venture funds focused on SaaS. In the past, Jason has led investments in Algolia, Pipedrive, Salesloft, TalkDesk, and RevenueCat to name a few.
In Today's Episode We Discuss:
1. The Growth Landscape Overview:
Is growth dead? Are any growth deals getting done?
How has the price changed for growth deals that are getting done?
Which type of growth companies will vs will not be able to raise?
What happens to all of the growth companies with $300-$500M in cash but little revenue?
2. The Great Reset: Valuations Need to Change:
Why should companies be actively resetting their valuations? What are the benefits?
What will happen between VCs and LPs when there is no incentive for VCs to reset their portfolio valuations when they need to go out and raise from those same LPs?
Structure is often part of these valuation resets, is structure to rounds always bad? When is it good? What type of structure is acceptable vs unacceptable?
3. Are the Public Markets Creeping Open:
Should we take comfort from ARM, Instacart and Klaviyo and assume the public markets are going to open again? If not, what will cause them to open?
How should we analyze the performance of the IPOs above? Many have been negative, are they right to suggest this is not the response we wanted?
Why does Woody believe, like Instacart taking a 75% discount to their last round, we should have more and more companies go public at discounts to their last private round?
4. Late Stage Growth is Dead and Revenue Multiples:
Why is late-stage growth dead? How long do we think this will last?
How should we assess revenue multiples today? New normal? Same as always? How will revenue multiples look in 12 months from now?
How should we analyse the large late stage growth rounds for hyped AI companies? What happens there?
ANGEL: Insight's Deven Parekh on venture tourists, cleaning cap tables & winning investments | E1679
Deven Parekh of Insight Partners joins Jason to discuss navigating markets during the dot com era and the pandemic. (1:50) Then they discuss "venture tourists" and cleaning up cap tables before wrapping up with a look back at some of Deven's winning investments. (20:04)
(0:00) Jason kicks off the show
(1:50) Experiencing the dot com burst
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(11:36) Comparing Web 3.0 and the dot com era + navigating the markets during the pandemic
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(20:04) Venture Tourists
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(38:32) Cleaning a cap table
(47:57) Looking back at Deven’s investments
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20VC: Lessons Scaling Insight Partners to a $20BN Latest Fund, The Two Biggest Learnings on Price, How to Manage and Train Young People in Venture, Why Business Classrooms Do Not Work and How to Assess the Two Commodities in Life; Money and Time with Jeff
Jeff Lieberman is the Managing Director @ Insight Partners, one of the leading investing franchises of the last 25 years with their most recent flagship fund announced earlier this year being a staggering $20BN. As for Jeff, over the last 24 years at Insight, he has led investments in leading companies such as Qualtrics, DeliveryHero, HelloFresh, Cvent, Mimecast, and Udemy. As a result of his many investing successes, he has been selected by AlwaysOn as a Venture Capital 100 winner and by Forbes as a member of the Midas List.
In Today's Episode with Jeff Lieberman You Will Learn:
1.) Origins into Venture:
How did Jeff's roommate at college open his eyes to the world of venture capital?
What were Jeff's biggest lessons from seeing the work ethic of his parents?
How does Jeff imbue the same level of ambition on his children that he had growing up with no money?
Why is Jeff keen for his children not to go to college? How does he advise them?
2.) Jeff Lieberman: The Investor:
What are Jeff's biggest observations on the current landscape given his seeing first hand the dot com bust and 2008? How is now different? How is it the same?
Price Sensitivity: How does Jeff reflect on his own price sensitivity? How has it changed over time?
Deployment Pace: How does Jeff analyse deployment pace today both for the industry and for Insight? Does Jeff agree with the notion of "playing the game on the field"?
The Biggest Miss: What have been some of Jeff's biggest misses? How did those misses impact the process with which he invests?
3.) Insight: The Firm
What are the most challenging elements of firm building today?
Why do all juniors have control over the Partners calendars? How does this work in practice?
How does Jeff create an environment of safety where very young, junior people feel like they can challenge anyone and have discussion?
How do Insight train young people? What is the process? What works? What does not work?
4.) AMA:
What does Jeff know now about venture that he wishes he had known when he started?
What would Jeff most like to change about the world of venture capital?
What advice does Jeff give to young people today entering the industry?
Item's Mentioned In Today's Episode with Jeff Lieberman
Jeff's Favourite Book: Man's Search For Meaning
Jeff's Most Recent Investment: Choco
Fanatics: Growing the Sports Economy - [Business Breakdowns, EP. 51]
This is Jesse Pujji, and today we are breaking down Fanatics. If you’ve recently bought sports apparel online, you interacted with Fanatics. They power the entire digital commerce experience for the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, and hundreds of other sports leagues around the world.
To break down Fanatics, I am joined by an early investor, Deven Parekh, from Insight Partners. Deven has been an investor in Fanatics since 2011. We cover Fanatics' unique vertically integrated commerce model, how they redefined their TAM, and how the company is aggressively entering NFTs, real money betting, and other expansion areas. Please enjoy this business breakdown of Fanatics.
For the full show notes, transcript, and links to the best content to learn more, check out the episode page here.
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Show Notes
[00:02:40] - [First question] - What is Fanatics and the scale of the business today
[00:04:26] - What the core business of Fanatics does
[00:05:41] - The history of Fanatics and what led to its success
[00:10:59] - Michael Rubin’s story and the role that GSI played in Fanatics’ growth
[00:13:58] - How the licensing business works and how Fanatics’ relationship with the leagues differs from their competitors
[00:15:34] - The landscape of this industry before Fanatics
[00:16:36] - Why the change from the best commerce experience to a broad digital sports platform
[00:19:02] - Differences of Fanatics’ P&L compared to others in the industry
[00:21:05] - How the real-time advantage helps drive growth in the business
[00:23:12] - Whether or not the leagues participate in gross margins and how much of a focus they place on cost optimization
[00:25:25] - Distinctive things about Fanatics from an investor’s perspective
[00:26:22] - Why hasn’t Amazon stepped into this space yet
[00:27:30] - Which leagues have opted out of working with Fanatics and interesting team and player dynamics
[00:28:59] - Reasons behind getting involved with NFTs, trading cards, betting, and how it might evolve in the future
[00:32:22] - Ways they’re taking the core business and augmenting other branches
[00:34:36] - What will have gone right over the next five years for Fanatics to continue growing at the pace they are today
[00:37:59] - What will have gone wrong over the next five years that will hurt Fanatics’ growth
[00:39:59] - Lessons for builders and investors when studying Fanatics’ story
20VC: Insight Managing Director, Deven Parekh on The Current Funding Mania, Compression of Round Timelines, Fund Deployment Speeds Increasing & How To Think Through Price and Time Allocation Across the Portfolio
Deven Parekh is a Managing Director at Insight Partners, one of the leading investing franchises of the last 25 years with $30Bn+ in capital commitments, 400+ primary investments and over 200 portfolio acquisitions. Deven himself has made more than 90 investments since joining in 2000 including in the likes of Twitter, Alibaba, JD.com, Chargebee and Automattic (WordPress) to name a few. Deven also sits on the boards of Checkout.com, Calm, Saks.com, Optimizely and 1stDibs, again naming a few. If that was not enough, Deven also serves on the Board of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the Board of the Tisch New York MS Research Center. As a result of his investing success, Deven has been named on Forbes Midas List 5 time and has been selected as a Top 100 Venture Capitalist by CB Insights 4 times.
In Today's Episode with Deven Parekh You Will Learn:
1.) How Deven made his way into the world of venture and how that led to his becoming a Managing Director @ Insight, way back in 2000?
2.) How does Deven analyse the current fundraising mania? Does portfolio discipline and temporal diversification matter anymore? How has Deven and Insight seen the velocity of fundraises change over the years? What can Deven and Insight do to get compress their decision-making timeliness with the compression of fundraising timelines?
3.) How does Deven assess his relationship to price and price sensitivity? What have been some core lessons for Deven when comparing deals that they did which were "cheap" vs "expensive"? How do Insight think about required levels of ownership today? Does Deven believe it is possible to build ownership over time? What is required to do so? What are the challenges?
4.) How would Deven describe his style of board membership today? How has it changed over time? What advice does Deven have for younger board members scaling into the role? How does Deven think about his time allocation across the portfolio? What is the optimal? How does this differ from reality? Why do your winners never need you?
5.) How does Deven evaluate his own insecurities and self-doubt today? In what way have these changed over time? How does Deven analyse the "weight of his words" within Insight? How does Insight structure the internal decision-making process to ensure that everyone's voice is heard? In what ways can firms foster that security for young partners to feel they can bring anything to the table?
Item's Mentioned In Today's Episode with Deven Parekh
Deven's Favourite Book: What We Know About Climate Change (The MIT Press), Draft No. 4: On the Writing Process
Deven's Most Recent Investment: TetraScience
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SaaStr 412: The Secrets to Turbocharging Sales in 2021 with Keyfactor, Checkout.com, Contentstack, and Insight Partners
2020 has been a wild ride, but Sales teams are still expected to deliver. Hear from 3 companies on how they delivered in a year riddled with challenges, and what those battle scars have taught them as they plan to turbocharge their sales in 2021. Walk away from this episode with the tactics and tips you and your Sales team need for the upcoming year.
Pablo Dominguez, Operating Partner, Insight Partners Ellen Kindley, Chief Transformation Officer, Keyfactor Brooke Treseder, SVP, Revenue Operations, Checkout.com Gordana Vuckovic, EVP Global Sales & Partnerships, Contentstack
Video and blog post: https://www.saastr.com/the-secrets-to-turbo-charging-sales-in-2021/
20VC: What Does It Take To Gain A Late Stage Cheque Today? The Fundamental Mistakes CEOs Make In The Scaling Process & The Importance Of Building The Next S Curve For Founders with Jules Maltz, General Partner @ IVP
Jules Maltz, is a General Partner @ Insight Venture Partners (IVP) where he has made investments in the likes of Slack, Zendesk, Twitter, Zenefits and many more incredible companies. Prior to IVP, Jules held roles at the likes of 3i, Admob and Bank of America. Jules has also been named to The Top 40 Under 40 Growth Investors and been featured in the likes of Inc and Fast Company. I also want to say a huge thank you to Rebecca Lynn @ Canvas and Clark Landry for the intros to Jules today.
In Today's Episode You Will Learn:
1.) How Jules made his way into growth stage investing with IVP?
2.) What are the major trends that Jules has observed in the later stages over the last few years? Where is there funding gaps and room for opportunity?
3.) What does it take for companies to attain later stage cheques today? What are the benchmarks required? How have we seen these benchmarks change?
4.) What are the fundamental mistakes that CEO's make in these scaling stages? When is the right time to scale rapidly? How does Jules view product market fit?
5.) Jules has previously stated the importance of building the next S curve. What does he mean by this and how should founders adopt this mentality?
Items Mentioned In Today's Show:
Jules' Fave Book: All The Light We Cannot See
Jules' Fave Blog or Newsletter: Nir and Far
Jules' Most Recent Investment: Checkr
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