Developers who move fast still need to do it together
At MS Build, Ryan is joined by Cassidy Williams, Senior Director of Developer Advocacy at GitHub and former Stack Overflow Podcast host, to discuss how agentic coding is shifting dev work towards higher-level strategy while increasing decision fatigue; why human taste, community feedback, and mentorship are becoming more essential than ever for developer careers; and the new GitHub Copilot announcements coming out of Microsoft, including the new GitHub Copilot app.
Episode notes:
This episode was recorded at Microsoft Build. You can learn more about what they announced at the show and what’s new at GitHub here.
Listen to our other episodes recorded at Build on agentic workflows and responsible AI.
Connect with Cassidy on LinkedIn and X.
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Wanna see a CSS magic trick?
Ryan is joined by Chris Coyier, founder of CSS Tricks and CodePen, to talk all about what the state of the art of CSS is today, including new features like variables and scroll-driven animations. They talk about the importance of accessibility in web design, how the web went from table-based layouts to modern CSS techniques, and exciting developments coming to CodePen 2.0.
Episode notes:
Chris built CSS-Tricks, a website all about building websites, and ran it for 15 years, from 2007 to 2022, before selling it to DigitalOcean.
CodePen is an online community for frontend developers where you can build, deploy, and show-off your code. CodePen 2.0 is their all-new IDE that is currently in private beta.
Check out Chris’ blog and his podcast ShopTalk.
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ShopTalk & Friends (Friends)
Chris Coyier and Dave Rupert join Adam and Jerod for a ShopTalk & Friends conversation on the viability of the web, making content, ads to support that content, Codepen’s future plans, books, side quests, and social networks devaluing links.
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Show Notes:
Big news - A new era for the Changelog Podcast Universe and CPU.fm launches in 2025.
ShopTalk Show
Codepen
Number Flow
Dave’s bookshelf
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
851: The Future of VS Code and Copilot
Wes and Scott talk with Cassidy Williams and Harald Kirschner about exciting new features in VS Code and GitHub Copilot, including custom instructions, UI/UX improvements, and the future of AI and Copilot within different editors.
Show Notes 00:00 Welcome to Syntax!
00:32 Cassidy’s keynote at GitHub Universe
03:23 New Copilot features
04:55 Use cases for prompt engineering
09:20 UI and UX enhancements
19:18 Copilot Extensions
20:38 Brought to you by Sentry.io
21:26 Multi-line suggestions?
27:00 How do you develop new ideas in this space? GitHub Next
35:42 Copilot in Xcode GitHub Copilot code completion in Xcode is now available in public preview
39:16 VS Code experimental features @code
Hit us up on Socials! Syntax: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads
Wes: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads
Scott: X Instagram Tiktok LinkedIn Threads
Randy: X Instagram YouTube Threads
Replay - Memes, Streams & Software with Cassidy Williams
On this Screaming in the Cloud replay, we’re looking back to our conversation with Cassidy Williams, a Senior Director of Developer Advocacy at GitHub and the co-founder and chief product officer of Cosynd, Inc. Prior to these positions, she worked as the principal developer experience engineer at Netlify, an instructor and senior engineer at React Training, director of outreach at cKeys, a senior software engineer at CodePen, head of developer voice programs at Amazon, and a software engineer at Venmo, among other positions. Join Corey and Cassidy as they reflect on what Netlify is and what a developer experience engineer does, how JavaScript started off as a toy language and why everything that can be built with JavaScript will be moving forward, the benefits of using low-code development tools, how discovering TikTok helped Cassidy drum up a major following on social media, how Cassidy's humor is never directed at people or organizations and why that's the case, the differences between recording a podcast and live streaming on Twitch from the speaker's point of view, and more.
Show Highlights
(0:00) Intro
(0:22) Backblaze sponsor read
(0:49) What is Netlify and its role of a principal developer experience engineer
(2:50) Is JavaScript the future?
(7:46) Using low-code tools for web development
(12:12) Having a goofy internet presence in a serious field
(17:23) Social platforms as a means to teach
(24:50) Twitch streaming and its inherent challenges
(28:16) Cassidy’s online coursework and how she answers, “So, what do you do?”
(32:12) Unique ways of tracking Twitter followers
(37:15) Where you can find more from Cassidy
About Cassidy Williams
Cassidy is a Senior Director of Developer Advocacy at GitHub. She's worked for several other places, including Netlify, CodePen, Amazon, and Venmo, and she's had the honor of working with various non-profits, including cKeys and Hacker Fund as their Director of Outreach. She's active in the developer community, and was one of Glamour Magazine's 35 Women Under 35 Changing the Tech Industry and LinkedIn's Top Professionals 35 & Under. As an avid speaker, Cassidy has participated in several events including the Grace Hopper Celebration for Women in Computing, TEDx, the United Nations, and dozens of other technical events. She wants to inspire generations of STEM students to be the best they can be, and her favorite quote is from Helen Keller: "One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar." She loves mechanical keyboards and karaoke.
Links
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cassidoo
Newsletter: https://cassidoo.co/newsletter/
Scrimba: https://scrimba.com/teachers/cassidoo
Udemy: https://www.udemy.com/user/cassidywilliams/
Skillshare: https://www.skillshare.com/user/cassidoo
O’Reilly: https://www.oreilly.com/pub/au/6339
Personal website: https://cassidoo.co
Twitter: https://twitter.com/cassidoo
GitHub: https://github.com/cassidoo
CodePen: https://codepen.io/cassidoo/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassidoo
Original Episode
https://www.lastweekinaws.com/podcast/screaming-in-the-cloud/memes-streams-software-with-cassidy-williams/
Sponsor
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The legacy of CSS-Tricks (Interview)
Episode 500!!! And it has been a journey! Nearly 13 years ago we started this podcast and as of today (this episode) we’ve officially shipped our 500th episode. As a companion to this episode, Jerod and Adam shipped a special Backstage episode where they reflect on 500 episodes. And…not only has it been a journey for us, but it’s also been a journey for our good friend Chris Coyier and CSS-Tricks — which he grew from his personal blog to a massively popular contributor driven model, complete with an editor-in-chief, a wide array of influential contributors, and advertisers to help fund the way. The news, of course, is that CSS-Tricks was recently acquired by DigitalOcean in March of 2022. We get into all the details of this deal, his journey, and the legacy of CSS-Tricks.
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Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
Backstage #24: Reflecting on 500 episodes
CSS-Tricks is joining DigitalOcean!
CSS-Tricks joins DigitalOcean, expanding our commitment to community
CSS-Tricks Design History
Geoff Graham
ShopTalk Show.com/
Codepen Challenges
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
Frontend Feud: ShopTalk vs CSS Podcast
What’s this? A Frontend Feud! The ShopTalk guys return to defend their championship over Syntax against new contenders: Una and Adam from The CSS Podcast!
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Una Kravets – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X
Adam Argyle – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X
Jerod Santo – GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
Amelia Wattenberger – Website, GitHub, X
Nick Nisi – Website, GitHub, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
Watch the video on our YouTube channel
Shout out to Una’s Twitter!
Shout out to OneWheel!
Shout out to ShopTalk Show!
Shout out to The CSS Podcast!
Shout out to JS Party?
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Our frequent collaborator, Cassidy Williams of Netlify, helped design the key and joined this episode to share her love for all things mechanical keyboard.
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Frontend Feud: ShopTalk vs Syntax
Your favorite web dev podcasts join forces for a super collab that’ll knock you frontend off! Amelia joins Chris Coyier and Dave Rupert from ShopTalk Show while Divya teams up with Wes Bos & Scott Tolinski from Syntax. Let the FEUDing begin!
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Amelia Wattenberger – Website, GitHub, X
Divya – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, X
Show Notes:
The Feud At The Seventh Mountain
Amelia’s repo visualizer
CSS-Tricks
freeCodeCamp
Wes Bos’ courses
Changelog Merch
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
Memes, Streams & Software with Cassidy Williams
About Cassidy
Cassidy is a Principal Developer Experience Engineer at Netlify. She's worked for several other places, including CodePen, Amazon, and Venmo, and she's had the honor of working with various non-profits, including cKeys and Hacker Fund as their Director of Outreach. She's active in the developer community, and one of Glamour Magazine's 35 Women Under 35 Changing the Tech Industry and LinkedIn's Top Professionals 35 & Under. As an avid speaker, Cassidy has participated in several events including the Grace Hopper Celebration for Women in Computing, TEDx, the United Nations, and dozens of other technical events. She wants to inspire generations of STEM students to be the best they can be, and her favorite quote is from Helen Keller: "One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar." She loves mechanical keyboards and karaoke.
Links:
Netlify: https://www.netlify.com/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cassidoo
Newsletter: https://cassidoo.co/newsletter/
Scrimba: https://scrimba.com/teachers/cassidoo
Udemy: https://www.udemy.com/user/cassidywilliams/
Skillshare: https://www.skillshare.com/user/cassidoo
O’Reilly: https://www.oreilly.com/pub/au/6339
Personal website: https://cassidoo.co
Twitter: https://twitter.com/cassidoo
GitHub: https://github.com/cassidoo
CodePen: https://codepen.io/cassidoo/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassidoo
S16:E3 - How to create content and build communities ( Cassidy Williams)
In this episode, we talk about content creation and building communities with Cassidy Williams, principal developer and experience engineer at Netlify. Cassidy talks about her strategy for doing internships, the intersection of content and community, and where she draws inspiration from.
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Partner with Dev & CodeNewbie! (sponsor)
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I love being a woman on the internet
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.NET
Hackathon
Black Girls Code
Women Innovate Mobile
Mums who Code
CodePen
React
React Training
Bruno Mars
Hackathon Hackers
Ladies Storm Hackathons
Cassidy Williams
Cassidy likes making memes, dreams, and software. But actually though, she's a Principal Developer Experience Engineer at Netlify, and makes developer-friendly content across the internet to help people learn and laugh.
It Ain't Real Till You Break Prod
Cassidy helps to write The Overflow newsletter and is two months into a new gig as a Principal Developer Experience Engineer at Netlify. That's where she broke Prod, but it turned out ok.
We chat about Hey what it means for software engineers when prominent coders are arguing with big mobile platforms about the fees that the owners of the OS collect. What's old is new again.
Bot armies are farming gold in World of Warcraft, which takes us down a wandering path of wondering how often people have access to powerful computers, but limited access to money they can spend on essentials.
Last but not least, we try to dissect a great question from our Software Engineering Stack Exchange: ways to explain code when told it doesn't make sense.
Shout out to our lifeboat badge winner of the week, "wizard", who answered the following question: is there an equivalent method to C's scanf in Java.
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Do You Believe in Life After Keyboards?
Tilde Club: It’s your chance to LARP as a 70s sys admin!
What you do on your computer is your business. Don’t be tricked by scammers.
Paul makes the mistake of sharing his Anxiety Box on This American Life
Sara’s favorite Kanye tweet is available, beautifully framed, for only $75.
cKeys is an amazing Seattle non-profit that teaches folks how to make their own keyboards!
When we recorded this episode Cassidy worked at CodePen, but not she works at React Training, so check them out.
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The future of programming and defining success as a software engineer
On this episode Abadesi talks to Cassidy Williams. Cassidy is a great follow on social media and is a software engineer at CodePen. Prior to CodePen, she worked for Venmo, Amazon, Clarify and others. She is a true maker and a huge mechanical keyboard nerd (which you hear a bit about on the show).
In this episode they discuss...
How she got to where she is today, including lessons learned from working at big and small companies
“It gets more political the more you go up the career ladder. At CodePen, we only have eight people, so you can’t really be promoted, and past Cassidy’s mind might be blown that she can’t be promoted and she’s okay with that.”
Cassidy talks her personal career trajectory and how she learned “the hard way” that big money at big companies isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. She talks a bit about working at Amazon and why it didn’t work out for her and explains why it’s just as valuable to know what you don’t want to do as knowing what you do want to do. She also talks about some of the differences between working at a big company and a small company.
Her personal definition of success as a software engineer
“My definition of success is having the flexibility to build whatever I want. Right now I’m building for CodePen but because my job is so flexible I’m able to build things outside of work. Someday I would love to be able to not have to work and build things for fun, whether for money or not. I love building things in general, whether it be keyboards, code, or Legos.”
Cassidy says that she used to be obsessed with “climbing the career ladder” and explains why that’s no longer the case for her. She says that she would go into jobs with the intention of collecting titles and experience in order to make a case for a promotion. She’s realized now though that being at the top is less important to her than the freedom to be able to create and do the things she loves.
The future of programming
“When I first started using React, it seemed magical, but over time it has changed to be a lot more granular and less magical. That is a very interesting metaphor for a lot of things that are happening in the tech industry.“
She talks through some of the trends in software engineering, including how programming for the web has changed over the past few years. She explains how and why languages and the way that programmers use them have evolved over time.
“People want to be more granular with their coding and engineering practices. A lot of people want to get to the core of adding more low-level and theoretical computer science practices to web development.”
Why she loves mechanical keyboards so much
“It’s so fun to be able to build something that is both pretty and functional. Typing on them is actually really fun. Typing on a mechanical keyboard feels like actually accomplishing something. When you feel that tactical feedback, it’s great.“
While doing the interview, Cassidy mentions that she had nine different mechanical keyboards sitting next to her. She waxes poetic on the virtues of using and building mechanical keyboards, including a breakdown of some of her favorite builds. She also talks about some of her other favorite non-keyboard products as well.
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Companies and Products Mentioned In This Episode
Bear — A beautiful, flexible, writing app for notes and prose.
Sennheiser HD 6xx— Cassidy’s favorite headphones.
The great divide reprise
Chris Coyier joins Suz and Jerod to continue the discussion on The Great Divide in front-end-land. We also use this as an opportunity to gush on how much CSS-Tricks has done for the community, get Chris’ perspective on the history of the website, and finish up by sharing some amazing Pens on CodePen.io.
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Suz Hinton – GitHub, Mastodon, X
Show Notes:
Read The Great Divide on CSS-Tricks
For more discussion, listen to our previous show on the topic
If you liked this, you will probably like listening to Shop Talk
Suz suggests anything by Ana Tudor or Sarah Drasner on CodePen
Chris mentioned A CSS Approach to Trap Focus Inside of an Element
Jerod got nostalgic with Nintendo Pens 1, 2, and 3
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
Part Two: Interview with Rachel Smith
In today's episode, I talk with Rachel Smith, a JavaScript developer currently working at CodePen!
Mentioned or relevant to today's episode:
CodePen
@RachSmithTweets
rachsmith on CodePen
RachSmith.com
Rachel's posts on Physics
WebGL
Quote (mentioned Edison in the episode, but actually this quote misattributed to Einstein)
Learning to Learn (Developer Tea episode)
React (JavaScript framework)
YDKJS
DOM API
Node JS
Cheerio
Geolocation API
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Part One: Interview with Rachel Smith
In today's episode, I talk with Rachel Smith, a JavaScript developer currently working at CodePen!
Mentioned or relevant to today's episode:
CodePen
@RachSmithTweets
rachsmith on CodePen
Web Animation API
RachSmith.com
Rachel's CodePen posts (blog)
w3c mailing list
ActiveTheory
About CodePen (includes team bios)
Trello
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Ep. 44 - CSS Tricks (Chris Coyier)
It took years for CSS Tricks to become the popular front-end and design resource it is today. Creator Chris Coyier talks about starting the website in 2007 and how it’s grown to be the incredible front end community it is now. He also talks about his other project, CodePen, and how building community has been an integral part of the tool.
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Element Query
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Container Query
Codeland Conf
Codeland 2019
Chris Coyier
Chris Coyier is the man behind the very popular CSS-Tricks website, which has helped new—and seasoned—developers sharpen their client-side, and sometimes server-side, skills for more than half a decade. Chris is the designer and co-founder for CodePen, co-authored a book, Digging into WordPress, co-hosts ShopTalk Show with Dave Ruppert, and speaks at international events.
12: Chris Coyier, Part Two - Getting Good At Pretty Much Anything
On this episode, I continue the interview Chris Coyier. Chris is the creator of CSS-Tricks.com, Codepen.io, and hosts Shoptalk Show with Dave Rupert. In this second part of a two-part interview, Chris and I talk about getting good at being a musician (or at cutting hair), why we rewrite code we've already written, and lots of other necessary things.
Mentioned:
ShoptalkShow.com
Codepen.io
css-tricks.com
DeveloperTea.com
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12: Chris Coyier, Part One - The Lifecycle of the Web and the Non-Evil of Doing Business
On this episode, I interview Chris Coyier. Chris is the creator of CSS-Tricks.com, Codepen.io, and hosts Shoptalk Show with Dave Rupert. In this first part of a two-part interview, Chris and I talk about how he got started with CSS Tricks. We also talk about what it's like to make such a massive amount of freely available resources.
Mentioned:
ShoptalkShow.com
Codepen.io
css-tricks.com
DeveloperTea.com
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